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The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: Frans Waterlander on September 11, 2020, 03:43:02 pm
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Straight out of Merriam-Webster. Definition of ad hominem:
1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
To me that's a perfect description of what went on in a recently closed thread and many, many before that one.
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Glutton for Punishment definition:
The posting agenda that can be seen here and in other photo forums, the list is sadly massively long but so consistent: Ask a question of the group, then immediately dismissed and push back on anything said that doesn't sync with the predetermined desired answer (notice the question marks!) To me that's a perfect description of what went on in a recently closed thread and many, many before that one:
Flicker, eyestrain or headache when using a monitor with LED backlighting?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/flicker-eyestrain-or-headache-when-using-a-monitor-with-led-backlighting.484239/#post-5124157
AND:
How do you like your 23" NEC P232W-BK-SV with LED backlighting?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/how-do-you-like-your-23-nec-p232w-bk-sv-with-led-backlighting.483939/#post-5126524
AND:
Three different color calculators can't be wrong, can they?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/three-different-color-calculators-cant-be-wrong-can-they.483168/
Do SoLux bulbs meet color temp specs?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/do-solux-bulbs-meet-color-temp-specs.482331/#post-5072451
And (push back) again:
NEC SpectraView update doesn't work
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/nec-spectraview-update-doesnt-work.507616/#post-5448082
NEC PA242W with SpectraView problems
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/nec-pa242w-with-spectraview-problems.501605/#post-5337077
NEC P242W with SpectraView weird flicker On this forum
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=102486.msg840773#msg840773
Epson R2880 suddenly prints with reddish color cast
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=124550.msg1042516#msg1042516
And:
Photoshop Elements 2018 doesn't report Exposure Compensation
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/photoshop-elements-2018-doesnt-report-exposure-compensation.5511047/
And:
How to backup Elements 2018 Camera RAW Database in Windows 7?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/how-to-backup-elements-2018-camera-raw-database-in-windows-7.5511347/
And:
ACR Histogram misunderstanding
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=134533.msg1162239#msg1162239
And (thankfully I missed this slug fest of Frans):
In-camera RAW histograms
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/in-camera-raw-histograms.5518557/
And:
Elements print bug
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/bug-in-photoshop-elements.5519898/#post-5821352
We can now add to that long list, nonsense about sensors overheating and being an issue in 10 pages of back and forth that resulted in it all getting deleted here but contained on poor PhotoNet:
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/are-dslrs-doomed-tony-northrup-says-no.5515216/
And a year later, more sensor heat nonsense on LuLa:
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=134951.msg1171465#msg1171465https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=134951.msg1171465#msg1171465
The answer to the original question asked by James, in the post locked, (as this one should be too): What's your problem? As shown above, lots and lots of problems. Mostly accepting multiple answers from those in the know, answering the questions becomes the real problem.
"Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn't "- Erica Jong
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What a sad place this has become.
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Whoa, someone can really hold a grudge, and/or seems on a rampage of targeted destruction!
Andrew, do you keep a diary of Frans's comments by your bedside, reading them every night, just dreaming of how you will refute them?
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Whoa, someone can really hold a grudge, and/or seems on a rampage of targeted destruction!
Jewish Alzheimer's is forgetting everything except a grudge.-Maureen Lipman
Andrew, do you keep a diary of Frans's comments by your bedside, reading them every night, just dreaming of how you will refute them?
I have a list and now you can too, bound to keep growing. :D
Easy to refute as illustrated if you read the posting agenda and history; I'm hardly the only one doing so.
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Jewish Alzheimer's is forgetting everything except a grudge.-Maureen Lipman
Thanks for the quote; I'll will certainly remember that one!
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Straight out of Merriam-Webster. Definition of ad hominem:
1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
I don't have access to a copy of Merriam-Webster, so I can't tell how selectively you are quoting or under what heading the quotation appears. You appear to confuse argumentum ad hominem with simple abuse. The two are not the same.
See https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=135408.msg1177003#msg1177003.
Jeremy
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You appear to confuse argumentum ad hominem with simple abuse. The two are not the same.
See https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=135408.msg1177003#msg1177003.
Jeremy
And the push back to that correction? Wait for it, wait for it.... :D
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In addition to avoiding argumentum ad hominem, this forum could do with a bit less argumentum ad nauseam.
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In addition to avoiding argumentum ad hominem, this forum could do with a bit less argumentum ad nauseam.
Amen!
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In addition to avoiding argumentum ad hominem, this forum could do with a bit less argumentum ad nauseam.
There's not a 'smiley' large enough ...
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In addition to avoiding argumentum ad hominem, this forum could do with a bit less argumentum ad nauseam.
And the chances of that happening are?
Jeremy
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I don't have access to a copy of Merriam-Webster, so I can't tell how selectively you are quoting or under what heading the quotation appears. You appear to confuse argumentum ad hominem with simple abuse. The two are not the same.
See https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=135408.msg1177003#msg1177003.
Jeremy
Suggesting that I'm quoting selectively might be a good example of ad hominem. Anyway, Merriam-Webster and other dictionaries are available on-line for free for anyone to use. Here are some examples:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ad%20hominem
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/ad+hominem
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad_hominem
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem
https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=en&tl=en&text=ad%20hominem
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/ad-hominem
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/ad-hominem
https://literarydevices.net/ad-hominem/
https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html
Do I need to add more?
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And the chances of that happening are?
See the post immediately following yours.
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The good thing about a digital dog is that they don't bark repeatedly and incessantly at squirrels.
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The good thing about a digital dog is that they don't bark repeatedly and incessantly at squirrels.
True, but they incessantly repeat themselves.
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The provision of facts often bounce off their intended target, prompting repetition until it's too tiresome or all hope is lost.
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Do I need to add more?
You didn't in the first place but as predicted, you had to.
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You didn't in the first place but as predicted, you had to.
Yet another perfect example of ad hominem.
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I wonder if anyone has ever found a rational and well founded prediction among the definitions of ad hominem.
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Yet another perfect example of ad hominem.
Yet another perfect example of your push back. And your inability to move on from it not being accepted.
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Yet another perfect example of your push back. And your inability to move on from it not being accepted.
So, why not tell us what you think the definition of ad hominem is and why? Reading the nine definitions I linked to might help your thought process. That would be a better use of everyone's time.
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So, why not tell us what you think the definition of ad hominem is and why?
Why allow you to push back, as seen in the results of hundreds of posts outlined. After you ask a question, the vast majority who've answered your questions get your typical expected and repeatable push back to the answers, all while not taking you seriously as a result.
Short answer: Whatever definition provided, you'll never accept it. As predicted. As expected. As seen over and over again. The result being more CWOBaT (colossal waste of bandwidth and time). Which is what you wish as so well outlined in your history of posting and so thoroughly outlined here already. :o
You realize, you can lock this thread of silliness of your own design, anytime you wish.
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Why allow you to push back, as seen in the results of hundreds of posts outlined. After you ask a question, the vast majority who've answered your questions get your typical expected and repeatable push back to the answers, all while not taking you seriously as a result.
Short answer: Whatever definition provided, you'll never accept it. As predicted. As expected. As seen over and over again. The result being more CWOBaT (colossal waste of bandwidth and time). Which is what you wish as so well outlined in your history of posting and so thoroughly outlined here already. :o
You realize, you can lock this thread of silliness of your own design, anytime you wish.
Your contribution to this issue, drumroll please, is: a big fat ZERO!
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Your contribution to this issue, drumroll please, is: a big fat ZERO!
Issue... Hilarious.
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Suggesting that I'm quoting selectively might be a good example of ad hominem.
It could be so construed only by those who persistently fail to understand the meaning of the term.
Anyway, Merriam-Webster and other dictionaries are available on-line for free for anyone to use. Here are some examples:
I looked at the first few, which are entirely in agreement with the definition and example I gave elsewhere in these forums (see the link to my post, above). I have better things to do with my time than to examine all the others, but I don't imagine they differ significantly.
Jeremy
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I looked at the first few, which are entirely in agreement with the definition and example I gave elsewhere in these forums (see the link to my post, above).
Jeremy
Jeremy, you may want to do your homework before commenting. Your definition and examples in the other thread are in conflict with the definitions I linked to. I'll give one example out of a myriad I could give.
You wrote: "It has nothing to do with feelings, or emotions, or perceptions."
The second link: "Appealing to the emotions rather than to logic or reason."
The distinctions you make in the other thread don't appear to be shared by others. At least one of the linked websites comments that the definition has broadened over the last 100 years.
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The distinctions you make in the other thread don't appear to be shared by others.
Again, no; only you. But only your opinion/understanding counts (for you) when you post, as illustrated. Again. :-X
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Again, no; only you. But only your opinion/understanding counts (for you) when you post, as illustrated. Again. :-X
Stuff it.
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Stuff it.
"What annoys us about others may say more about ourselves than about them."-C.J. Jung
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"What annoys us about others may say more about ourselves than about them."-C.J. Jung
https://www.marketingeye.com/blog/culture/why-egomaniacs-have-to-have-the-last-word.html
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https://www.marketingeye.com/blog/culture/why-egomaniacs-have-to-have-the-last-word.html
So you're now done here and will prove the point? Terrific! That will save Jeremy from having to lock another of your threads/posts down again. :o
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Enough, yet again. Happily, the last word is mine.
Jeremy