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The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 14, 2019, 12:55:50 pm
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An interesting compilation.
The one below is the camera I inherited from my uncle, then a professional photographer in Sweden.
https://www.boredpanda.com/cameras-used-famous-historical-photographs/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=BPFacebook&fbclid=IwAR08uVn9ayTaa7I1qzOpk8Eu6lGmXkIy_cyw_rN_0VY477h7724H8SVz1CY
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I lusted after one for years. When it finally came along, it was wonderful, except that it was pretty useless off tripod unless tied to a flash unit in the studio. It was pretty bouncy, but apparently the Bronica version outjumped it, capable of leaping off a table.
The old Rollei TLR was a better hand-held bet outdoors; wish I'd also had the 135mm version of one. I think I have seen a pic of Bert Stern holding one in his studio. I wonder how efficient they were with handling parallax; my pre-Hassy Mamiya C3? TLR with its 180mm was capable of making great images, but using the parallax correction moving red line was a nightmare. It was a very clunky camera.
Unfortunately, I had no uncle with a Hassy, only an old Leica, but his wife had an equally old Rollei that she lent me at a very critical time in my formation. I didn't expect to inherit, and there was no reason I should outrank their own three kids! I wasn't disappointed...
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Rob
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Off-topic a bit, but I could not help noticing that it's ok to show Lee Harvey Oswald being shot and it's ok to show kids falling off a fire escape, but they had to censor out the naked Vietnamese girl, lest we be too scandalized.
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Never used a Hassy, but I really enjoyed shooting with a Rollei TLR―and as I get older and creakier, and crouching to get the angle I want increasingly becomes an issue (actually, it's the getting back up again that is the real problem), being able to shoot from waist level is increasingly convenient. I would never buy another camera without an articulating rear display.
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Am I the only one that is off put by the blurring of "The Terror of War?"
Kind of kills the impact of the image.
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No Canon there, and a lot of images filled with terror.
Indeed the naked girl cannot be displayed but all the violence- no problem... very silly.
Showing nakedness seems to be a greater sin than throwing napalm on children. At least in some countries.
A better display of the photo is here- it also shows why cropping is important.
https://allaboutstreetphotography.com/blog/the-terror-of-war-nick-uts-napalm-girl-1972
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Well said, Pieter. But it's an interesting collection. Thanks Slobodan.
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Off-topic a bit, but I could not help noticing that it's ok to show Lee Harvey Oswald being shot and it's ok to show kids falling off a fire escape, but they had to censor out the naked Vietnamese girl, lest we be too scandalized.
The morality of public places and their controllers is a strange beast.
I guess the problem is porn: people see the same thing from many different perspectives. Who would have thought that an adult female nipple might be seen as evil? It can, in many instances, be seen as victim, poor thing.
By the same token, I dislike the practice of having kids of either gender run around beaches naked. A pair of pants does them no harm at all, and saves adults from feeling uncomfortable in the presence of bare brats. It may be considered "natural" but is not necessary. We probably all know what's what, so no need to labour the point.
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The morality of public places and their controllers is a strange beast.
I guess the problem is porn: people see the same thing from many different perspectives. Who would have thought that an adult female nipple might be seen as evil? It can, in many instances, be seen as victim, poor thing.
By the same token, I dislike the practice of having kids of either gender run around beaches naked. A pair of pants does them no harm at all, and saves adults from feeling uncomfortable in the presence of bare brats. It may be considered "natural" but is not necessary. We probably all know what's what, so no need to labour the point.
Perhaps having fun on your neighbouring islands of Formentera and Espalmador could have cured your discomfort for good? I could tell you stories...
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No Canon there, and a lot of images filled with terror.
Indeed the naked girl cannot be displayed but all the violence- no problem... very silly.
Showing nakedness seems to be a greater sin than throwing napalm on children. At least in some countries.
A better display of the photo is here- it also shows why cropping is important.
https://allaboutstreetphotography.com/blog/the-terror-of-war-nick-uts-napalm-girl-1972
Banning photos is the new revived hypocricy:
https://fotografodigital.com/exposiciones/antologica-de-willy-ronis-en-valladolid-y-censura-de-facebook/
Happened to Willy Ronis too, for nothing at all.
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Perhaps having fun on your neighbouring islands of Formentera and Espalmador could have cured your discomfort for good? I could tell you stories...
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If there were other people's babies running around, glad I kept my distance!
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Interesting, thanks for sharing.
Cheers,
Bernard
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If there were other people's babies running around, glad I kept my distance!
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Other people's children, wives, husbands, lovers, girlfriends, boyfriends and assorted indefinable others.
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Other people's children, wives, husbands, lovers, girlfriends, boyfriends and assorted indefinable others.
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Stupidity has no bottom...nor limits either.
Peter
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Stupidity has no bottom...nor limits either.
Peter
No, there were plenty of bottoms, Peter.
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What are you guys about!? Butting heads over butts?
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What are you guys about!? Butting heads over butts?
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Anyone who has stuffed a chicken for roasting knows all there is to know about bottoms. And deep throats. Grisly.
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@ Slobodan: thanks for sharing.
I absolutely HATE the fact that the image of the napalm girl has been pixelated, not in the last place because it’s the main aspect in the image of such high documentary value. The image IS about the naked girl. I’d say: hands off of the image!
One of the respondents doesn’t seem to be very grown up in certain areas, prescribing ‘kids of either gender run around beaches’ ‘a pair of pants’. So, when the napalm incident occurred, if you were on site would you have shouted to the girl “first put on another pair of pants”? You probably wouldn’t have taken the picture of this naked girl in the first place. You do understand ‘why’ she had taken off all of her clothes, right?
I’m tremendously grateful that the photographer on site did take the picture, giving us among other things the opportunity to look into the mirror and showing us how terrible we humans are in our behavior. No, not you of course so don’t feel offended…..
Regards,
Jaap.
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@ Slobodan: thanks for sharing.
I absolutely HATE the fact that the image of the napalm girl has been pixelated, not in the last place because it’s the main aspect in the image of such high documentary value. The image IS about the naked girl. I’d say: hands off of the image!
One of the respondents doesn’t seem to be very grown up in certain areas, prescribing ‘kids of either gender run around beaches’ ‘a pair of pants’. So, when the napalm incident occurred, if you were on site would you have shouted to the girl “first put on another pair of pants”? You probably wouldn’t have taken the picture of this naked girl in the first place. You do understand ‘why’ she had taken off all of her clothes, right?
I’m tremendously grateful that the photographer on site did take the picture, giving us among other things the opportunity to look into the mirror and showing us how terrible we humans are in our behavior. No, not you of course so don’t feel offended…..
Regards,
Jaap.
Well, Jaap, that's an interesting comment you make, and posits an even more interesting slant on life.
I had absolutely no idea that it would be possible to put naked kids running along Pityusic holiday beaches into the same category as naked children running away from the effects of napalm bombs! Wow, that's one decidedly grown-up, modern mind that you have! I congratulate you on your good genes.
Nope, that would be somewhat niggardly praise from me: I congratulate you on creating a brand new morality of equivalences.
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Interesting article. Not many surprises on the choices.
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The way "The Terror Of War" By Nick Ut has been censored is an obscenity.
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The way "The Terror Of War" By Nick Ut has been censored is an obscenity.
It's symptomatic of where political correctness can take you if the world closes its eyes or just shrugs. Little by little, like that dripping tap, its consequences can be catastrophic on freedom, common sense, basic rights to free speech and, not to be forgotten, the very power of society to think for itself.
The thin end of the wedge of totalitarianism, then.
As Slobodan posits: when everyone thinks the same, no-one thinks. And I'd add: by then, it's too late.
Rob
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The way "The Terror Of War" By Nick Ut has been censored is an obscenity.
Waht we seen now is that Apple and Facebook, etc are defining for many what is 'appropriate' to show and what not.
Nudity always have been a problem for the US... violence not.