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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Colour Management => Topic started by: Rhossydd on May 30, 2019, 01:30:03 am
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Just received an email;
"after more than 10 years of color management business, basICColor GmbH will be closed down on 31st May 2019. "
"I will try to establish channels with partners who are able to offer product support."
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I look upon this as a very unfortunate development. BasICColor was offering a superb product suite in a field where there is already precious little competition and choice at the high-quality end of the market for these products and services. A healthy market and a good climate for progress requires a certain level of effective competition and BasICColor was one of the key participants in making this happen. I hope their good work will be carried on under different organizational and marketing arrangements rather than abandoned altogether.
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This is disappointing news. I photograph artwork with a Sinar CTM, which incorporates software components from BasICColor and Sinar, (and a Sinar digital back, algorithms and filter recipes from Dr. Roy Burns at RIT and other specialized hardware). Hopefully, I'm wrong but this doesn't appear to bode well for unique and/or customized digital imaging systems.
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What's really disappointing is that on MacOS X it will die out altogether with the next release of MacOS - the BasICColor Display is still 32 bit application....
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What's really disappointing is that on MacOS X it will die out altogether with the next release of MacOS - the BasICColor Display is still 32 bit application....
It looks like this 32 to 64 bit transition is the bottleneck for some very nice software.
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Seems to me like precision printing is becoming more of a niche. There are fewer posts every year related to precision printing. At least it seems so to me. Sad.
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I hope their good work will be carried on under different organizational and marketing arrangements rather than abandoned altogether.
That doesn't sound likely from the email.
Certainly a shame there's less products in the CM field as they go, but whilst their products performed well, they were expensive and the licencing procedure was awkward.
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Certainly a shame there's less products in the CM field as they go, but whilst their products performed well, they were expensive and the licencing procedure was awkward.
Not expensive enough it seems, to actually sustain a business.
CM is a highly technical niche product, so it is always going to be on the expensive side. But if it isn't valued, then it will go away, or become even more expensive and hard to access. The other aspect of course was the vertical integration of instrument makers and software makers that happened some time ago in the case of X-Rite. That immediately made a software only business much harder to sustain. People seem to be prepared to pay money for the hardware, but not for the software.
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CM is a number of different products and some of them are not particularly expensive. It depends on how high up the quality/sophistication chain one wants to buy and who the sellers are. Some of their software needed bespoke hardware, others not. They had quite a few applications on the market by the time they closed shop. The one I can see being problematic would be the "Print" application which needs a spectrophotometer. With X-Rite monopolizing the i1Profiler-grade of product and bundling it with profiling software, users must buy the bundle. At that point it wasn't obvious why one should have bought basICColor Print as well. But their other products didn't suffer from this issue.
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Not expensive enough it seems, to actually sustain a business.
The profitability may not be the reason the business has folded, in one man businesses there can be many other reasons to cease trading.
it wasn't obvious why one should have bought basICColor Print as well.
This is where price does come into play. If the cost is low enough, people will buy it even if they do have other similar products. It could deliver better results, better GUI or have an easier workflow.
I would have brought the print package to compare to other offerings I have here at the right price, but high cost and a poor experience with licencing the monitor package meant I didn't get my credit card out.
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Not expensive enough it seems, to actually sustain a business.
CM is a highly technical niche product, so it is always going to be on the expensive side. But if it isn't valued, then it will go away, or become even more expensive and hard to access. The other aspect of course was the vertical integration of instrument makers and software makers that happened some time ago in the case of X-Rite. That immediately made a software only business much harder to sustain. People seem to be prepared to pay money for the hardware, but not for the software.
They were mostly rebadgging colorlogic.de products, which are still available (and expensive enough)
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They were mostly rebadgging colorlogic.de products, which are still available (and expensive enough)
For the several basICColor products that I beta-tested at various times, I have reasons to believe that is not the case. And of course, depending on how "rebadgging" is done, there could be copyright implications. But in any case, I fail to see what this has to do with the present situation, details of which we do not have and most likely won't.
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They were mostly rebadgging colorlogic.de products, which are still available (and expensive enough)
as if they were using ColorLogic's source code ? or using their own code to provide a similar functionality ?
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as if they were using ColorLogic's source code ? or using their own code to provide a similar functionality ?
They either used Colorlogic code, or they developed it together with Colorlogic - anyway CoPrA and Ant has many tools and functionalities that look exactly like basICColor print, catch and DeviL etc. ones. Not sure about gHOST and ZePrA, but most probably the same.
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They either used Colorlogic code, or they developed it together with Colorlogic - anyway CoPrA and Ant has many tools and functionalities that look exactly like basICColor print, catch and DeviL etc. ones. Not sure about gHOST and ZePrA, but most probably the same.
can be vice versa - ColorLogic used their code under some agreement, no ?
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can be vice versa - ColorLogic used their code under some agreement, no ?
"From the very beginning our main focus has been on an OEM business model: To license our technologies to other companies or to develop products for our partners who then market the products under their own name and brands. Today this concept allows us to focus on what we do best – developing first class technologies.'
"An interesting aspect is that we always use our own Software Development Kit (SDK) as a basis for our products."
https://colorlogic.de/en/colorlogic-history/
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not very suprising, they stopped answering emails and never delivered the most recent software...
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I came across this (https://dtculturalheritage.com/basiccolor-returns/), suggesting that BasICColor are continuing in a different form, but their website continues to be unresponsive, so it's unclear what the status actually is.
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at 1000 euro, discus, it would be a shame that the app did not switch to 64 bits for the next mac os X…
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at 1000 euro, discus, it would be a shame that the app did not switch to 64 bits for the next mac os X…
If BasICColor had sent me an instrument, I would have added support to ArgyllCMS (and hence DisplayCAL & HCFR), and so provided a fallback option.
But maybe this side of their business is still viable, and there will be a 64 bit update ???
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I hope they continue, especially with Basiccolor Display. I'm using v5 right now with my PA322 as it gives much better profiles than Spectraview II. SVII does not work as well with this monitor as it did with my old PA241. Adding insult to injury, SVII cannot be used at the normal 150% scaling on Windows for a 4k display. The calibration window goes off-screen. It works at 100%, but then it's impossible (at my age) to read the dialogs and reports. Really NEC? You sold a $3000 display and never updated the software to work properly under the most popular OS? SMH.
If only Argyll/CMS could run NEC LUTs...(hint, hint).
Lloyd
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Just discovered that it's now available here>
https://dtculturalheritage.com/basiccolor-software/
You have to email for a price.
D.
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Hi, Something is strange with the Basiccolor Website setup at present--I've used it since 4.1 Version and just recently upgraded to the V6.
Had login problems to the site(still locked out!)-could not get the software to get past Purchase even though I'd paid my Euro.
Finally I was sent download key ex the site and loaded it but have had no joy establishing a decent and SAVEABLE Profile!- all I get is ERROR and Failed
Validation etc.
I cannot understand why my Email for answers are not being replied to via Email support--not even to get new password.
All was Kosher with support up till my troubles above --now Nix/nada to my bleating--maybe they are pissed with me.
Anyway that my tale of woe --oh if I could only get it working --it is the best if not up there--Calibration software available.
Woe is Moi!
Des
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All was Kosher with support up till my troubles above --now Nix/nada to my bleating--maybe they are pissed with me
Hi Des,
I purchased my version 6 via Kruegercolor (https://www.dr-juergen-krueger.de/) in Germany. I also ran into some poblems with the software (looks like recoded by original BasICColor developers, shows some child deseases).
Dr. Krüger answered my questions thoroughly and provided me with some updates in the last weeks. I suppose he is in close contact with the developers. Perhaps he can help you out, too: [email protected]
Regards,
Michael
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Hi Michael,Thank you for the contact I'll follow up on that --Appreciated
Thank you,
DesW
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Or try Neil Barstow at https://www.colourmanagement.net/
They are also agents for the software.
It seems very much still alive, just not via the original website, for some reason.
D.