Luminous Landscape Forum
Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: John Brawley on July 20, 2017, 12:46:02 pm
-
Hi. I'm not really a photographer but I was trying out the X1D and wrote a spontaneous piece coming from the view of a cinematographer that mainly shoots rangefinder.
I thought it might be appreciated here as I found it difficult to find any RAW photos to download.
https://johnbrawley.wordpress.com/2017/07/20/blad-to-the-bone/
JB
-
Thanks, very interesting.
Cheers,
Bernard
-
Thanks, very interesting.
Cheers,
Bernard
I fully agree. Having used an X1D for 5 months, I find this "review" to be very informative and well balanced. He does an excellent job of explaining the pluses AND the minuses of the X1D system. There is lots to love about the X1D and the lenses, but depending upon how you want to use it, the limitations may or may not be frustrating to you. The blackout in the EVF for 1-1.2 seconds between shots is one example of a problem, if you want to be able to track the action in an uninterrupted flow, as you could with a rangefinder. Same with the 8 second start up lag between depressing the power on button and being able to shoot a frame.
-
The black-out should be technically possible to eliminate, if not completely cut down to milliseconds.
-
The black-out should be technically possible to eliminate, if not completely cut down to milliseconds.
I don't think so. I believe the problem is with the speed of the read out from the Sony sensor.
-
I don't think so. I believe the problem is with the speed of the read out from the Sony sensor.
That's my understanding too and also why the rolling shutter is so bad for shooting video with it.
Thanks for reading.
JB
-
That's my understanding too and also why the rolling shutter is so bad for shooting video with it.
Thanks for reading.
JB
I think all mirrorless cameras have had EVF blackout in between shots to one degree or another. The new Sony A9 has supposedly eliminated it. The 50MP Sony sensor is worse than most. The Fuji GFX also has a noticeable EVF blackout, but it is not as long as the X1D.
-
I think all mirrorless cameras have had EVF blackout in between shots to one degree or another.
Olympus OMD EM1 Mark 2 is inconsequential.
It can be done, it's a matter of how fast they can clock the sensor I think....
JB
-
To All,
The shutter needs to stay closed while data is being read from the sensor. We can not read live view data from the sensor during this period. The extended readout time is due to the larger sensor size in compared to FF 35mm. Therefore, the image is captured 100 milliseconds later; RAW only captures are the shortest, in case of RAW+JPG, we unfortunately have a longer black-out that we foresee minimizing in the future.
Sincerely,
Eric Peterson
Field Sales Specialist
Hasselblad
-
The shutter needs to stay closed while data is being read from the sensor. We can not read live view data from the sensor during this period. The extended readout time is due to the larger sensor size in compared to FF 35mm. Therefore, the image is captured 100 milliseconds later; RAW only captures are the shortest, in case of RAW+JPG, we unfortunately have a longer black-out that we foresee minimizing in the future.
And this is without doing a black frame on each file. As much as I want to say that a next gen sensor would have more readout channels, the tradeoff would be a board redesign adding the support for those channels and of course a faster storage medium. UHS-3 in the v2 would be REALLY NICE ;D
-
To All,
The shutter needs to stay closed while data is being read from the sensor. We can not read live view data from the sensor during this period. The extended readout time is due to the larger sensor size in compared to FF 35mm. Therefore, the image is captured 100 milliseconds later; RAW only captures are the shortest, in case of RAW+JPG, we unfortunately have a longer black-out that we foresee minimizing in the future.
Sincerely,
Eric Peterson
Field Sales Specialist
Hasselblad
Thanks Eric.
I think we're talking about different things. I'm not complaining about the latency, the time time it takes from a shutter press to a photo being recorded, which makes sense with your 100 milliseconds number.
I'm complaining about the amount of time it takes to return an image to the EVF AFTER the shot has been taken. Even when shooting RAW only, I found it to be unacceptably long for the kinds of photography I do.
I really did like the camera a lot other than this particular irk.
JB
-
Thanks Eric.
I think we're talking about different things. I'm not complaining about the latency, the time time it takes from a shutter press to a photo being recorded, which makes sense with your 100 milliseconds number.
I'm complaining about the amount of time it takes to return an image to the EVF AFTER the shot has been taken. Even when shooting RAW only, I found it to be unacceptably long for the kinds of photography I do.
I really did like the camera a lot other than this particular irk.
JB
Eric is addressing the black out as well: "we, unfortunately, have a longer black-out that we foresee minimizing in the future."
-
Thanks Eric.
I think we're talking about different things. I'm not complaining about the latency, the time time it takes from a shutter press to a photo being recorded, which makes sense with your 100 milliseconds number.
I'm complaining about the amount of time it takes to return an image to the EVF AFTER the shot has been taken. Even when shooting RAW only, I found it to be unacceptably long for the kinds of photography I do.
I really did like the camera a lot other than this particular irk.
JB
The Fuji GFX also has a blackout in the EVF between shots, but for whatever reason, it is about half as long as the X1D, even when the GFX is set to RAW +JPEG. Hasselblad can presumably improve on this with firmware updates. However, I do think we need a new sensor and supporting electronics to really make a difference here.