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Title: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Christopher Sanderson on September 14, 2015, 01:10:10 pm
FYI

The forum's software will undergo a major update tonight and may be briefly offline.

From readers' POV not a lot will change: some minor cosmetics; Tapatalk _should_ now work properly again. The rest is admin-related.

Please post any weirdnesses here

Chris
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Rob C on September 14, 2015, 01:13:08 pm
FYI

The forum's software will undergo a major update tonight and may be briefly offline.

From readers' POV not a lot will change: some minor cosmetics; Tapatalk _should_ now work properly again. The rest is admin-related.

Please post any weirdnesses here

Chris


Good luck!

Rob
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Kevin Raber on September 15, 2015, 10:34:20 am
The update has been completed.  Please let us know if there are any issues you might experience.

Tapatalk should be working again.

Kevin Raber
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: AreBee on September 15, 2015, 11:25:24 am
Kevin,

Quote
Please let us know if there are any issues you might experience.

The box that surrounds quoted text is not visible.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Christopher Sanderson on September 15, 2015, 11:30:45 am
Kevin,

The box that surrounds quoted text is not visible.

Thanks!

That's being worked on

Chris
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 15, 2015, 11:49:23 am
How my iPad Air 2 renders a forum thread:
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 15, 2015, 11:52:31 am
Clicking on an image now downloads it!!!???
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 15, 2015, 11:59:20 am
On my desktop, Safari, the quick reply box extends way beyond the screen:
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Kevin Raber on September 15, 2015, 12:06:57 pm
Thanks.... we will work on those reported issues.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 15, 2015, 01:48:56 pm
The way quotes are displayed is now distracting:

- too much space before and after the quoted text
- white background (against the backdrop of a light gray for the actual reply)

Both of which give more prominence to the quoted text than to the reply.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 15, 2015, 02:01:06 pm
This is what my screen looks like on a desktop Safari when composing a reply:
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 15, 2015, 06:23:42 pm
Gray on Gray text in quote boxes!

I suspect most LuLa readers are old enough to have less than perfect vision :-)

http://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/
Isaac describes me perfectly. I find the gray on gray extremely difficult to read.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Jacob Wise on September 15, 2015, 06:25:30 pm
The font color has been updated to be much darker now, try refreshing your browser.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 15, 2015, 07:55:27 pm
Now nothing distinguishes a quote from a reply, apart from an indent!?
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 15, 2015, 09:01:51 pm
Now nothing distinguishes a quote from a reply, apart from an indent!?
That's better than the immediate previous version, but a box or something around the quote would be nice. Or even
[ q u o t e ] and [ / q u o t e ] surrounding the quoted text.

Slobodan: Have you tried a different browser on your desktop? I generally keep four browsers on mine (not including Safari), and one of them usually works on recalcitrant websites.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: fredjeang2 on September 15, 2015, 09:04:17 pm
Administrators don't have profile pics anymore :D
Time for Chris to go to the hairdresser and come back with a Brand new punk cut.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 15, 2015, 09:23:21 pm
That's better than the immediate previous version...

Better!? No. As atrocious as the gray on gray was, it was still much better than this indistinguishable one. But why being forced to choose the less of two evils when there was nothing wrong with the original quoting mode?

Quote
Slobodan: Have you tried a different browser on your desktop?...

I have Chrome, no difference. Besides, there was nothing wrong with the forum software from a user perspective, thus all these changes for the worse are really puzzling. Don't fix it if it ain't broken, bro!

Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Schewe on September 16, 2015, 12:20:45 am
Now nothing distinguishes a quote from a reply, apart from an indent!?

You can always add a glow effect :~)
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 16, 2015, 12:31:24 am

You can always add a glow effect :~)
[/font][/size]
Or do other weird things...

But I agree with Slobodan that the old system (before the recent changes) was quite usable, and this new one still isn't.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Schewe on September 16, 2015, 12:42:38 am
Or do other weird things...
But I agree with Slobodan that the old system (before the recent changes) was quite usable, and this new one still isn't.

I don't disagree...
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: torger on September 16, 2015, 06:05:46 am
I've noted that when I upload JPEGs the ICC profile is now stripped, this did not happen before. In the color management forum I often upload images with ProPhotoRGB profile embedded to show various things around high saturation colors (gamut outside sRGB).

It would be nice if the re-encoding of uploaded images kept the ICC profile.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Kevin Raber on September 16, 2015, 06:38:41 am
All of your comments are noted.  We were on really old software.  Now V2 offers a lot of new features by default.  We now have to dumb it down.  Our guys are working on things and hopefully we'll get it to where it was with some new features.  I kind of like Jeff's glowing type.  Just saying.

Kevin
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 16, 2015, 11:26:57 am
... We now have to dumb it down...

I can see some early successes.

For instance, there used to be links "Top of Page" and "Bottom of Page" or something like that. Now it says "Go Up" or "Go Down." This makes navigating so much more interesting - it immediately provokes curiosity: how up is "up"? Is it up one post, up one screen or up one page? Can't wait to find out. Love the new game!

P.S. I see we are back to having unnecessarily large space before and after a quote?

P.P.S. I used font one size smaller (nine) and color "navy" to separate the quote. A border around a quote would be nice to have too.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: digitaldog on September 16, 2015, 01:09:46 pm
I agree about the new look of quotes, not good!

I'm also seeing something new in terms of notifications of private messages. In the past, I'd get an email notification which I still do, going to the web page would also pop a dialog that there was a new message. Not any longer. By design?
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Alan Goldhammer on September 16, 2015, 02:44:41 pm
The only thing that caught me by surprise was the "mark as read" button was moved all the way over to the right and "new topic" was on the left in it's place.  I was wondering why I was attempting to start new topics! ;D  I didn't notice any of the other glitches but then I'm running Windows 8.1 (as should all others!).
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on September 16, 2015, 02:54:57 pm
The alt-s and alt-p shortcuts on the "post" page don't work on a Mac using Safari (and yes, I tried command and control shortcuts and they don't work either). I'm not terribly sure it matters, though.

Is there a way to have the "Attachments and other options" visible by default, as there was before?

Jeremy
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on September 16, 2015, 02:58:17 pm
Oh, one more thing: I think the little icons underneath the avatar used to be in a horizontal line, rather than above each other. They waste space in this arrangement, at least when next to non-verbose posts.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 16, 2015, 03:01:33 pm
Underline doesn't work
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 16, 2015, 03:01:58 pm
Oh, one more thing: I think the little icons underneath the avatar used to be in a horizontal line, rather than above each other. They waste space in this arrangement, at least when next to non-verbose posts.

Jeremy

+1
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 16, 2015, 03:02:34 pm
... Is there a way to have the "Attachments and other options" visible by default, as there was before?

+1
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on September 16, 2015, 03:13:09 pm
Oh, one more thing: I think the little icons underneath the avatar used to be in a horizontal line, rather than above each other. They waste space in this arrangement, at least when next to non-verbose posts.

Jeremy
+1

Particularly for communicative chaps like Slobodan, with his fancy five icons  ;)

Jeremy
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Rob C on September 16, 2015, 03:56:31 pm
Is there some way to avoid all my ¡mages turning soft... very noticeable in the captions.

I'm posting them using the Mona Lisa icon and pasting from my website where, of course, everything looks as it should.

I'm not sure it's to do with the new system: I was in the same boat some years ago, and I think it got resolved, but no idea how.

Rob C

P.S. There's a few in the Prejudice section where it's very obvious.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 16, 2015, 04:04:22 pm
iirc previously "Insert Hyperlink" prompted for a URI but now it just seems to be a text style option?

+1

In short, just about everything that could have been screwed up, has.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Rob C on September 16, 2015, 04:05:05 pm
Just switched to Firefox, and the problem's gone!

But, why? It doesn't seem to happen to other pictures that I look at in LuLa on the usual system (Internet Explorer), only to my own uploads. Having said which, as most of others' images don't have captions, I don't really have any way of knowing for sure. It's copy where it can be seen as either crisp or definitely not.

Rob C

Tried Google Chrome, and it's okay there, too. Now, with Chrome, as I write, everything's underlined in red! Oh shit. I need a holiday.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: AlterEgo on September 16, 2015, 04:08:15 pm
Just switched to Firefox, and the problem's gone!

But, why? It doesn't seem to happen to other pictures that I look at in LuLa on the usual system, only to my own uploads. Having said which, as most of others' images don't have captions, I don't really have any way of knowing for sure.

Rob C

is there a code to get old bubble ?
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Rob C on September 16, 2015, 04:13:14 pm
Alterego:

How did you do that?

My last post walked from right to left right across your own post!

As I write, there's a little square above the smilies with an M with arrows moving as did my message...

I certainly didn't click it! I never use those damned emoticon things up there at all!

Rob C

P.S. I see it's still doing it: I'll click on the box and see what happens. Right, what happens is that it doesn't click off.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: AlterEgo on September 16, 2015, 05:04:39 pm
Alterego:

How did you do that?

just selected the proper codes to make the text scrolling...
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: mbaginy on September 16, 2015, 05:22:00 pm
Alterego:

How did you do that?

My last post walked from right to left right across your own post!

As I write, there's a little square above the smilies with an M with arrows moving as did my message...

I certainly didn't click it! I never use those damned emoticon things up there at all!

Rob C

P.S. I see it's still doing it: I'll click on the box and see what happens. Right, what happens is that it doesn't click off.

Yep, really strange.  But I've only seen that with AlterEgo's posts - both of them.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 16, 2015, 05:27:08 pm
Yep, really strange.  But I've only seen that with AlterEgo's posts - both of them.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 16, 2015, 05:30:18 pm
Easy:
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: mbaginy on September 16, 2015, 05:41:19 pm
I've never seen that before Slobodan.  Thanks for pointing that function out.  That's new, right?  Next we'll have blinking fonts?  I'll make sure not to use stuff like that..  Can't imagine what good it could be.  I'm not really pleased with some of the recent changes, they seem to complicate processes or make reading posts more difficult.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: AlterEgo on September 16, 2015, 05:42:54 pm
I've never seen that before Slobodan.  Thanks for pointing that function out.  That's new, right?  Next we'll have blinking fonts?  I'll make sure not to use stuff like that..  Can't imagine what good it could be.  I'm not really pleased with some of the recent changes, they seem to complicate processes or make reading posts more difficult.

why not, old lovely bubbles are gone, that at least makes the quote stand out  8)
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: BJL on September 16, 2015, 05:46:06 pm
Alterego:

How did you do that?

My last post walked from right to left right across your own post!
That's "Marquee": if we also had [blink]Blink[/blink], we could be back to the worst of '90's web page style!
This really old page explains: http://www.math.unm.edu/writingHTML/tut/tut17.html
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: AlterEgo on September 16, 2015, 06:03:38 pm
That's "Marquee": if we also had [blink]Blink[/blink], we could be back to the worst of '90's web page style!
This really old page explains: http://www.math.unm.edu/writingHTML/tut/tut17.html[/glow]
we also need to change the background to something black
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 16, 2015, 06:54:54 pm
The trouble with [marquee] is that it seems to depend on a script, and with scripts turned off on Internet Exploiter, it makes these quotes just disappear.

I can see them scroll on Chrome, however.

Interestingly, [marquee] the codes that Solobodan's button on LuLa puts in are {move} and {/move} (but with square brackets) instead of [marquee] and [/marquee]. I wonder why?
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Kevin Raber on September 16, 2015, 06:58:56 pm
Whenever you upgrade software your get new features.  We were on very old software and for compatibility with Tapatalk and security as well as other needs we needed to get the Forum Software upgraded.  With the upgrade comes the features you have all found.  Enjoy them while you can.  Many readers as well as users have wanted a way to format their posts and replies.  If we have the option we will limit many of these fancy features so enjoy them while they are available. 

Give us a week to get things cleaned up and we'll see where we end up. 

Kevin

Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 16, 2015, 07:56:42 pm
...Give us a week...

Bye. See you in a week.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Manoli on September 17, 2015, 01:19:52 am
Missing the old style quote boxes.
Indented grey on grey seems a poor substitute - much harder to read, even bordering on the unpleasant.

Also,
the preview button in 'post reply' is limited to barely 2 lines and almost impossible to scroll.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: stamper on September 17, 2015, 06:05:35 am
Image posting. In the past when an image was posted there was a thumbnail size that when clicked on would expand to a size that was contained within the monitor. Now when you click the image has to be scrolled. Imo this is too large and the image size in the past was a "reasonable" size. My save for web is 1200 wide by whatever the ratio. Is web sizing smaller the answer? Which would mean a smaller thumbnail but when clicked upon would be a "reasonable" size?
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: stamper on September 17, 2015, 06:09:07 am
Hopefully the scrolling horizontal and coloured text is only a passing fad and the text will once again become static and black? Or are the "kids" on here going to continue to play with it?  :(
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Kevin Raber on September 17, 2015, 06:48:55 am
As I have said before the new version 2 has all sort of bells and whistles that we are working on limiting.  Like colored scrolling text.  We are working on removing a lot of these not needed features.

Kevin

Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Rob C on September 18, 2015, 03:40:25 am
Just a thought.

Sometimes, when someone is making a quotation that includes a photograph or a series of them, the actual response to that quotation might be a very brief one indeed.

Is that kind of situation avoidable, so that the relevant piece of quotation that's being addressed is all that appears within the quoted reply instead of a ream of pictures that take a lot of scrolling to reach the reply proper, and by the time that's reached, the actual quoted part gets lost beyond the physical capability of the screen to display?

I mean, it's not difficult to look at a picture again without having it take up a lot of visbile space second time around. I think if there's a mechanism whereby you can include the shot is you want to, then you have to employ it, but otherwise, just the relevant copy appears, which might make the experience smoother.

Rob C
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: AreBee on September 18, 2015, 05:16:14 am
I would be grateful if a more generous time period was allowed for posts to be edited before "« Last Edit: [date], [time] by [member]»" appears.

The time period currently is approximately 90 seconds. I propose for it to be increased to three or five minutes.

EDIT: Also, BBCode for member signatures apparently does not work.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: TomFrerichs on September 18, 2015, 02:14:02 pm
As I have said before the new version 2 has all sort of bells and whistles that we are working on limiting.  Like colored scrolling text.  We are working on removing a lot of these not needed features.

Kevin

Could you enable the Quatro Pro plugin?  I think it would be very helpful.

Tom
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 19, 2015, 12:24:22 am
Missing the old style quote boxes.
Indented grey on grey seems a poor substitute - much harder to read, even bordering on the unpleasant.
Hooray!!!

Quote boxes are back!!

Thank you! That's good progress.

Eric M.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Schewe on September 19, 2015, 12:41:37 am
As I have said before the new version 2 has all sort of bells and whistles that we are working on limiting.  Like colored scrolling text.  We are working on removing a lot of these not needed features.


Kevin, the one thing I really miss is the old Mark Read and nav back to the main forum. Also, you've moved Mark way to the right (it used to be on the left most button on the right and have to move all the way across the page to move up to the main forum. Also, what happened to the Reply next to the Quote button?
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Kevin Raber on September 19, 2015, 08:24:27 am
Jeff,  still working on a number of things.  Some stuff requires a bit of custom work and my guys are working on it.  It may take a few more days. 
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: landscapephoto on September 20, 2015, 01:22:56 am
I noticed a bug: at the bottom of each forum page, there is a "jump to" choice with a rolling menu. It does not work in the section for Medium Format. Apparently, the box size is too short for the title of that forum.
Title: Re: Forum Sftw Update!
Post by: Kevin Raber on September 20, 2015, 07:59:54 am
Looks ok on my iPad. We will take a look at it though.