Luminous Landscape Forum
The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: Iluvmycam on July 14, 2015, 01:04:50 pm
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https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/2015/07/14/should-i-work-for-free-or-give-away-photos-for-free/
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You sure do like pimping your own blog don't ya?
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you already know you do so why are you bothering to ask?
Still, I guess the question is meaningless when the aim is pure self-promotion. Have you ever thought of actually entering a discussion?
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If your photos aren't free, you can't be said to be giving them, can you?
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Have you been kicked out of all the other fora in the internet?
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I am not going to be lured into reading his blog but the basic question, on the surface of it, is fairly easily answered. Photography is no different to any other commodity - you can use it as a gift is you wish.
Some of us may be more or less generous than others, but I am sure that we all give gifts to friends and relatives - or to the wider community - when our generosity or their needs so dictates.
And because, oftentimes, the marginal cost of making an extra copy of an image is negligible, a photograph can often be a gift that will be valued by the recipient but costs the donor little.
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This guy is an image maker who thankfully isn't shy about sharing them.
It would be refreshing if there were a few more like him here.
He's also having to become a "Digital Marketing Strategist" which apparently according to the article on the subject linked below doesn't require a lot of skill...
Lichtenberg said her new skills didn't come from college, but rather from on-the-job experience. "Here I spent the first six months reading a ton of blogs and watching online videos to try to train myself," said Lichtenberg.
http://www.kens5.com/story/news/local/2015/07/06/tech-jobs-san-antonio-college-graduate-entry-level/29797607/
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See, I just performed some "Digital Marketing Strategics" by placing a link to an article no one would've ever found out about if it wasn't for my actions.
Only I'm not getting any money for it. CRAP!
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...a photograph can often be a gift that will be valued by the recipient but costs the donor little.
Things that are given away for free can hardly be seen as valuable by anyone, including the recipient. Unless you are a Picasso, of course.
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Slobodan: I believe Jimbo57 was referring to photo gifts given to family and friends. Those could have more value than anything you can get from a sale.
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Slobodan: I believe Jimbo57 was referring to photo gifts given to family and friends. Those could have more value than anything you can get from a sale.
I got that, Alan. My point still stands. They might like it, but still not value it much. We humans are hardwired to associate value with the cost, monetary or otherwise, in obtaining it. And scarcity. If we know that the marginal cost is negligible, so do they.
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Things that are given away for free can hardly be seen as valuable by anyone, including the recipient. Unless you are a Picasso, of course.
I must admit that I have given away tens of photographs in my previous position as an illustrator for distance education in NSW. I would like to think that providing to this disadvantaged group of students could be seen as valuable!
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I got that, Alan. My point still stands. They might like it, but still not value it much. We humans are hardwired to associate value with the cost, monetary or otherwise, in obtaining it. And scarcity. If we know that the marginal cost is negligible, so do they.
Oh, how desperately, desperately sad.
When you receive a gift, does it not convey anything of the love that the giving symbolised? And do you not then value the gift for that love, rather than for any monetary value?
If not, I can only repeat: How desperately, desperately sad.
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Oh, how desperately, desperately naive.
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I must admit that I have given away tens of photographs in my previous position as an illustrator for distance education in NSW. I would like to think that providing to this disadvantaged group of students could be seen as valuable!
Slobodan, WTF, you really have been seduced by the capitalist marketing machine. Looking after disadvantaged groups is a problem!
Cheers,
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... Looking after disadvantaged groups is a problem!
Why would that be a problem? Or you have a problem expressing yourself clearly?
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Things that are given away for free can hardly be seen as valuable by anyone, including the recipient. Unless you are a Picasso, of course.
Your quote, I must have misread it, my giving away my images to disadvantaged students was not valuable!
Cheers,
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Tom, for me to make a specific comment about your gift, and just how valuable it was, you need to be provide more details about it. What did you give away? Were those limited editions of your prints? Are you otherwise selling them? For how much? What was the cost to you? What role did it play in the students education?
The very act of giving away to those who really need it is, of course, highly commendable. But we are talking about how valuable it is, or how valuable it is perceived to be, and the degree of it. And that depends on context and many other factors.
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You have got to be kidding!
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You have got to be kidding!
Well, that is an irrefutable argument.
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Sorry, providing for the needs of disadvantaged children is a problem!
Cheers,
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We are going in circles. Who said it is a problem?
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Quote from: Tim Lookingbill on July 17, 2015, 04:53:55 PM
See, I just performed some "Digital Marketing Strategics" by placing a link to an article no one would've ever found out about if it wasn't for my actions.
Perhaps you should do the same for your own pics?
Unfortunately due to the ubiquitous nature and easy access to photographs online and the difficulty if not inability to gauge or anticipate online public tastes, I feel that article is more interesting than my own pics, more interesting than videos of cats playing a piano.
However, I do value my images as a documentation of a journey of discovery on how I personally express how I see the world. That's how I have to approach the creative process. My intent is not to please everyone, just myself. Not much of a market for that approach due to an extremely fickle public.
Distribution of such content (including music) online has been cast to the four winds of a public with a very divided attention span, specific tastes and a remote control in the shape of a mouse.
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The very act of giving away to those who really need it is, of course, highly commendable. But we are talking about how valuable it is, or how valuable it is perceived to be, and the degree of it. And that depends on context and many other factors.
Slobodan, have you lost the plot! Charity is not just highly commendable, just like teaching it is a fundamental of being a civilised human being! Giving back to your community is a privilege.
Cheers,
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Tom, far be it from me to stand in the way of you feeling great about your charitable contribution to the civilization. I am sure St. Peter will take that into account much better than I possibly could.
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"Tom, far be it from me to stand in the way of you feeling great about your charitable contribution to the civilization. I am sure St. Peter will take that into account much better than I possibly could."
Wow, I must admit that I have seemed surprised by your patronising replies in the past. However, giving away images to educational projects is simply right. Taking a photograph doesn't mean that you have to make a dollar off it! I thought the topic of the thread was "should I give away my photography for free"? I have no idea what you think this thread is about!
Cheers,
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... Wow, I must admit that I have seemed surprised by your patronising replies in the past...
Why surprised? I worked hard to build a reputation on that ;)
... giving away images to educational projects is simply right...
And once again, where did I say it is wrong?
... I thought the topic of the thread was "should I give away my photography for free"? I have no idea what you think this thread is about!
My first post in this thread was a response to a specific comment, which I will repeat here:
...a photograph can often be a gift that will be valued by the recipient but costs the donor little.
I responded to that specific combination "valued...but costs little." with a general statement about the perceived value of gifts. If you, or others, are willing to discuss that, I am all for it. I can then cite scientific research I am basing my opinion on. If your only contribution is getting on the high horse of righteousness and moral superiority, then, yes, I am inclined to respond with sarcasm.
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'Tom, far be it from me to stand in the way of you feeling great about your charitable contribution to the civilization. I am sure St. Peter will take that into account much better than I possibly could."
Wow, I must be dumb for feeling patronised for giving away my images for free to disadvantaged students! What was the name of this thread?
Cheers,
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Ignore his comments and they'll sink.
In reading the comments on this thread, I have to admit that you were right.
Somethings I think there are people on the Internets Tubes that simply enjoy arguing. Does not matter what about, it is the arguing that gives them satisfaction.
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Otto: I disagree with your statement.
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Otto: I disagree with your statement.
;D
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Otto: I disagree with your statement.
I disagree with your disagreement. I will argue this point so that I can achieve the glorious outcome of "winning an internet argument". ;D
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The point I was making was that there really are few arguments on the internet. That's why I disagreed. And I'll support my argument with the fallback, "Give the links that prove your data." :)