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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Neil Williams on June 30, 2015, 03:18:27 pm
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Guys,
I am getting off the rig on Thursday and will be back in KL on Friday. I have had many offers for the Leica 006 (New and Second Hand) and had set my mind up to get the Leica 006 when I get home until two hours ago when I was offered a fantastic deal on a New 007 with the 120mm CS lens also allowing me to trade in my Leica M gear to reduce the cash outlay.
Ten minutes ago I have now been offered a fantastic deal on a new Hasselblad H5D 50c that will be roughly the same price as the Leica 007.
If I am going to dump over 25k into a camera system I don't want to buy A and then 3 months later wish I bought B if you know what I mean.
So my question is how good is the Hasselblad H5D 50c and will it be okay for;
Studio
Outside portraiture
Landscape
The odd street stuff
Any feedback on the H5D 50c compared to the Leica 007 would be much appreciated
Neil
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And while you folk are at it perhaps you could recommend what I would like for dinner.
Seriously, Neil, if you are considering laying out 25k on a system you really need to get your hands on the systems and decide for yourself.
Planned already for a hands-on with the Hasselblad H5D 50c
I am just trying to get feedback from people that have it and use it on a daily basis...............I have been to these hands-on jobbies before and you are having to deal with second hand car salesmen during your 30 minute slot
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Hi,
Some points to consider:
- Hasselblad has 50c sensor tha has been around quite a while
- The Hasselblad sensor is a little bit larger than the Leica sensor and has more pixels. The crops are different.
- The 50c and the other Sony based backs have a proven track record
- S (type 007) deliveries are scheduled for October at earliest
- Leica can use a lot of different lenses, with Hasselblad there is only the H-series
Keep in mind that those are very different systems. The Leica S is a big DSLR while the Hasselblad comes in the classical MF camera gestalt.
I would add that it seems that Leica is on the go, lots of development is going on. With Hasselblad, little is known.
Best regards
Erik
Ps. Keith has a very good point, below.
And while you folk are at it perhaps you could recommend what I would like for dinner.
Seriously, Neil, if you are considering laying out 25k on a system you really need to get your hands on the systems and decide for yourself.
Guys,
I am getting off the rig on Thursday and will be back in KL on Friday. I have had many offers for the Leica 006 (New and Second Hand) and had set my mind up to get the Leica 006 when I get home until two hours ago when I was offered a fantastic deal on a New 007 with the 120mm CS lens also allowing me to trade in my Leica M gear to reduce the cash outlay.
Ten minutes ago I have now been offered a fantastic deal on a new Hasselblad H5D 50c that will be roughly the same price as the Leica 007.
If I am going to dump over 25k into a camera system I don't want to buy A and then 3 months later wish I bought B if you know what I mean.
So my question is how good is the Hasselblad H5D 50c and will it be okay for;
Studio
Outside portraiture
Landscape
The odd street stuff
Any feedback on the H5D 50c compared to the Leica 007 would be much appreciated
Neil
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Hi Niel,
Don't spend any money on any camera gear until you have had a chance to shoot a body and three or four lenses in your required focal length for at the least 3/4 days.
I would suggest that you need at least a week shooting and processing files to really know if you like the gear. I don't know what you are shooting for subject matter? I photograph people, I have been shooting the H system for more than 5 years. Recently I switched over to a Leica 006 which I really like but I did't shoot the 006 on real work for 3 months while I got used to it and built up my lens collection.
If you don't have a dealer who can get you a demo kit for a few days you need to find someone else to buy the gear from. Seriously.
PM me if you need some names.
And yes I demo'd the 50c last summer and it's a great camera for shooting people under a lot of different lighting conditions.
Ciao
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You get the best sensor from the H5D-50C for landscape, outside portrait and street photography.
However you might want to consider the Phase One XF system for presumably better auto-focus system as well as the waist level option, in addition to the flash sync advantages and technical camera flexibility. A Credo 50/IQ150/IQ250/IQ350 offers the same sensor suitable for these kind of photography that you shoot with available light. A Pentax 645Z will also offer the same sensor but you lose the wide angle options as well as high speed flash sync.
If you mostly shoot inside a studio with carefully setup light then a CCD sensor could be tempting, but personally I don't see much point of heavy investment into CCD in year 2015.
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You get the best sensor from the H5D-50C for landscape, outside portrait and street photography.
However you might want to consider the Phase One XF system for presumably better auto-focus system as well as the waist level option, in addition to the flash sync advantages and technical camera flexibility. A Credo 50/IQ150/IQ250/IQ350 offers the same sensor suitable for these kind of photography that you shoot with available light. A Pentax 645Z will also offer the same sensor but you lose the wide angle options as well as high speed flash sync.
If you mostly shoot inside a studio with carefully setup light then a CCD sensor could be tempting, but personally I don't see much point of heavy investment into CCD in year 2015.
I looked at the Phase AF, it is not as good, by far, as the Hasselblad's True Focus which is exceptional. See this thread. (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=101435.0)Of course, the Phase may get better with time, but that remains to be proven.
Edmund
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Edmond....would you consider a H5D 50c an all-round camera that would be okay for street photography and is the H5D weather sealed??
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I looked at the Phase AF, it is not as good, by far, as the Hasselblad's True Focus which is exceptional. See this thread. (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=101435.0)Of course, the Phase may get better with time, but that remains to be proven.
Edmund
"Focus then recompose" is not of my taste because you lose the capability for focus tracking in continuous shots, which is critical for street photography as well as other kind of photography. This is why I never liked True Focus.
The new AF system in the Phase One XF camera body uses CMOS for AF, which means that the AF performance could be boosted in low-light when compared against previous products. This could be helpful for street photography.
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Edmond....would you consider a H5D 50c an all-round camera that would be okay for street photography and is the H5D weather sealed??
The Hassy is huge, and *much, much* slower than an SLR, but a very good camera. You need to be a bit more thoughtful than with an SLR I don't know about weather-sealed, although the Leica is weather-sealed, and close to a large SLR in size and shape.
If you are going to use a medium format camera in a hurry, you MUST test it first. It's not like Nikon and Canon which have close-together shooting experiences, the MF cameras are really different in the way they behave.
Edmund
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"Focus then recompose" is not of my taste because you lose the capability for focus tracking in continuous shots, which is critical for street photography as well as other kind of photography. This is why I never liked True Focus.
The new AF system in the Phase One XF camera body uses CMOS for AF, which means that the AF performance could be boosted in low-light when compared against previous products. This could be helpful for street photography.
The XF AF might improve one day. For all I know, they could do focus off the main sensor in liveview, and mount an iPhone viewfinder on top, when my grandma buys a unicycle. For now, I would call it close to the usual Phamiya experience, which some like, others don't. The XF for the moment has ONE focus point/area at the center AFAIK, so it forces focus and recompose anyway, but with the inevitable focus shift which the Hassy sidesteps in a really neat way.
I am NOT going to recommend an XF for anyone wanting to take quick real-world images. Studio is a different story, I think it is a really excellent studio camera for Phase shooters. There is a reason why Leica and Hassy are still in the market, and it is called superior body ergonomics.
Edmund
BTW it's official, Greece has defaulted. That may remove a few hedgefund managers from the MF buyers roster.
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I'm not sure a digital MF is the solution for ANY type of moving subject. I think you need to take that out of the equation here. I have no experience with the Leica, so maybe that works? I don't know. But I do know that as soon as anything starts moving, I go from H5X to my D810 or D4.
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I'm not sure a digital MF is the solution for ANY type of moving subject. I think you need to take that out of the equation here. I have no experience with the Leica, so maybe that works? I don't know. But I do know that as soon as anything starts moving, I go from H5X to my D810 or D4.
I agree.
The only camera I had which could track my 3 year old was a D4.
Edmund
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I wouldn't buy either since the new a7r ii is coming out lol. Also if you go into digital medium format I would prefer the bigger sensor sizes like the p65+ then the crop sensor sonys. IF you're gonna go into crop sensors the Pentax 645z is the cheapest and gives the most out of all the companies. If you don't shoot out door flash the 1/125th sync is fast enough in a studio. Also another reason why I wouldnt buy those 2 systems is that they're not supported by capture one. I guess I could say that I am biased because I really prefer that program over lightroom and phocus. Nikon, Sony, and canon are all supported in capture one which is great. I feel like a strong raw conversion program is a must have and you lose that with the Pentax and Leica.
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I wouldn't buy either since the new a7r ii is coming out lol. Also if you go into digital medium format I would prefer the bigger sensor sizes like the p65+ then the crop sensor sonys. IF you're gonna go into crop sensors the Pentax 645z is the cheapest and gives the most out of all the companies. If you don't shoot out door flash the 1/125th sync is fast enough in a studio. Also another reason why I wouldnt buy those 2 systems is that they're not supported by capture one. I guess I could say that I am biased because I really prefer that program over lightroom and phocus. Nikon, Sony, and canon are all supported in capture one which is great. I feel like a strong raw conversion program is a must have and you lose that with the Pentax and Leica.
I agree. Everybody needs a view camera and Capture One :)
Edmund
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BTW it's official, Greece has defaulted. That may remove a few hedgefund managers from the MF buyers roster.
And add the ones who bet the other way.
Um, I believe the official term is "in arrears". I don't think most officials want to use the D-word at this point.
Jim
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If you're itching for a new toy, grab the 5DsR and give it a go with the 24-70 mark2 lens. It'll give you a safe starting point for what a 50mp file is, gear you can flip with minimal loss of investment while you try out a few options, which can't be said for many medium format cameras.
The Hasselblad isn't weather sealed at all. If that is high on your list, the best option is the 645Z, but I understand the Leica S to be close.
And read stuff like this to keep your interests... https://captureintegration.com/10-reasons-to-test-drive-the-leica-s/
-Joe
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Thanks for all the great feedback up to now............Weather sealing is important to me as I live in Asia and it pisses down with rain a lot. I have been using Leica M gear for two years now so I am familiar with the Leica system, including lightroom, I hate Capture One.................Slooooooooooooooooooow
So right now I am going to stick with my gut feeling and get a new Leica S007 but saying that will try out the Hasselblad when I am in the UK in September visiting family and see it that bowls me over :)
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Hi Jim,
Thanks for putting things right… Bad thing is Greek dramas usually end in tragedy.
Best regards
Erik
And add the ones who bet the other way.
Um, I believe the official term is "in arrears". I don't think most officials want to use the D-word at this point.
Jim
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And add the ones who bet the other way.
Um, I believe the official term is "in arrears". I don't think most officials want to use the D-word at this point.
Jim
Jim, not so sure, I think they're actually primary debt holders; thing is most of the debt seems held by the IMF, Germany and France anyway, and what do they care - it's cheaper to just write it all off fast, and stop this chaos in the middle of Europe. So all this moaning and back and forth and the really strange intrusive Obama phone calls to Europe asking them not to let a default happen -who wants to hear from the uncle in the far away country? - must be driven by some private creditors with very good presidential access, eg. the usual suspects Goldmann Sachs & friends. You will remember that Goldman Sachs donated $1M *officially* to the Obama campaign. It's interesting to see that corporations are now allowed unlimited political buy-in, although one might argue that politicians are so honest that they can never be bought, only rented.
Edmund
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Hi
Form factor and sensor are 2 different issues here, personally I find the S to be a perfect size to hand carry and use it everywhere, the H is a beast for walking around and street shots, for me it would be a no go, I'm in West Africa now with the S, 35, 70 and 180 and it's manageable, the H with 3 lenses would probably be too much for me, you might be different.
Once you know what you like from the ergonomics then picking the sensor is easy, either the dreadful CCD in the 006 as voidshitter points out, I'm amazed anyone can get a decent shot out of it or the saviour of humanity, CMOS, which will turn all your photographs in to world beating works of art. You can have either in the H or the S.
If it's rubbish weather then for me the S is the only choice, not a great photograph but a quick grab shot yesterday in torrential rainy season here in Mali with the 180 on the rubbish S 006, I wouldn't use the H in these conditions but the S is no problem.
(http://www.matrichardson.com/img/s11/v30/p1292557370-5.jpg) (http://www.matrichardson.com/p539352681/e4d0adc3a)
Ultimately your personal preference will dictate what you can get the most from, test, try and enjoy!
Mat
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Thanks for all the great feedback up to now............Weather sealing is important to me as I live in Asia and it pisses down with rain a lot. I have been using Leica M gear for two years now so I am familiar with the Leica system, including lightroom, I hate Capture One.................Slooooooooooooooooooow
So right now I am going to stick with my gut feeling and get a new Leica S007 but saying that will try out the Hasselblad when I am in the UK in September visiting family and see it that bowls me over :)
If weather sealing is important I would try the DSLRs first like the D810, the 5DS/R and of course the mirrorless and very compact and light A7RII. Ive handled the Leica S and it handles like a dream. Think of it as a nicer made 1 series Canon body but with a much more simple and clean design. The viewfinder is awesome and the lenses pretty amazing. Next would be the PhaseOne XF body with an IQ back. Absolute tank of a system, heavy but very reliable. Best performance of all when you take into account the sensor options. I have a Hasselblad H1 that I use with my IQ160 back and I like it a lot but it is not a Camera I would like to take out in the wild for landscapes.
I agree that the Leica S body is the best medium format digital body by far to take out and about. It is the most compact, light, tidy, sealed and comfortable to hold. The Pentax 645Z is second (...but the lenses...)
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Jim, not so sure, I think they're actually primary debt holders; thing is most of the debt seems held by the IMF, Germany and France anyway, and what do they care - it's cheaper to just write it all off fast, and stop this chaos in the middle of Europe. So all this moaning and back and forth and the really strange intrusive Obama phone calls to Europe asking them not to let a default happen -who wants to hear from the uncle in the far away country? - must be driven by some private creditors with very good presidential access, eg. the usual suspects Goldmann Sachs & friends. You will remember that Goldman Sachs donated $1M *officially* to the Obama campaign. It's interesting to see that corporations are now allowed unlimited political buy-in, although one might argue that politicians are so honest that they can never be bought, only rented.
Edmund
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That's odd Edmund, GS is the same company who have recently in a joint-venture with Koch Industries bought the entire company I work for (Flint Group). I write odd because the Koch brothers alledgedly *donated* about $500K to keep Obama from being elected
These guys must have pretty serious discussions on their boardmeetings then :D :D :D unless of course they keep the politics from the boardroom, wouldn't know, never been in one except on a building tour.
Sorry for my off topic response. Yet my guess is as good as Edmunds in this case: go for the Leica, it looks sexy and those lenses...hmmm
Kind Regards, Sander
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That's odd Edmund, GS is the same company who have recently in a joint-venture with Koch Industries bought the entire company I work for (Flint Group). I write odd because the Koch brothers alledgedly *donated* about $500K to keep Obama from being elected
These guys must have pretty serious discussions on their boardmeetings then :D :D :D unless of course they keep the politics from the boardroom, wouldn't know, never been in one except on a building tour.
Sorry for my off topic response. Yet my guess is as good as Edmunds in this case: go for the Leica, it looks sexy and those lenses...hmmm
Kind Regards, Sander
I agree 100% that the Leica S-007 is the better option..........thanks :)
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Weather sealing, street photography, tracking moving subjects... looks like you really want an MF camera to do things a 35mm rig is destined for.
You can teach a horse to dance, but it won't be pretty.
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Hi
Form factor and sensor are 2 different issues here, personally I find the S to be a perfect size to hand carry and use it everywhere, the H is a beast for walking around and street shots, for me it would be a no go, I'm in West Africa now with the S, 35, 70 and 180 and it's manageable, the H with 3 lenses would probably be too much for me, you might be different.
Once you know what you like from the ergonomics then picking the sensor is easy, either the dreadful CCD in the 006 as voidshitter points out, I'm amazed anyone can get a decent shot out of it or the saviour of humanity, CMOS, which will turn all your photographs in to world beating works of art. You can have either in the H or the S.
If it's rubbish weather then for me the S is the only choice, not a great photograph but a quick grab shot yesterday in torrential rainy season here in Mali with the 180 on the rubbish S 006, I wouldn't use the H in these conditions but the S is no problem.
(http://www.matrichardson.com/img/s11/v30/p1292557370-5.jpg) (http://www.matrichardson.com/p539352681/e4d0adc3a)
Ultimately your personal preference will dictate what you can get the most from, test, try and enjoy!
Mat
Fantastic thanks for sharing
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Done deal,
I have made a deal for all my Leica M gear in exchange for a new Leica S-007 and will also get the 120mm 70mm and 30mm all CS lenses. I will also have a S2 to play with until the 007 arrives.
All we need now is for Leica to get there sh{t together and start shipping 007's
I see it has IOS to 6400 so that's will be something I will need to read up on :)
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I see it has IOS to 6400 so that's will be something I will need to read up on :)
Judging a camera's low light performance by looking at the ISO settings is like judging a car's top speed by looking at the speedometer. Actually, it's worse than that, since the numbers on the speedometer relate to physical measurements. Maybe a better analogy is the dials on a guitar amplifier. Some people, like the musicians in Spinal Tap, are impressed if the numbers go to 11. Most are not.
The reason why the ISO setting doesn't mean much is that the shadow noise at the highest ISO setting is entirely up to the camera manufacturer. The only thing that's keeping the max setting from hitting seven digits is self-imposed restraint on the part of the people who designed the camera. To add insult to injury, there is no universal, must follow, standard as to midtone values in raw files versus light levels and exposure at any given ISO, leading some manufacturers to be conservative in that regard, and some to be, shall we say, optimistic. In the M240, Leica is on the optimistic side. I don't know about the S series.
Jim
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Done deal,
I have made a deal for all my Leica M gear in exchange for a new Leica S-007 and will also get the 120mm 70mm and 30mm all CS lenses. I will also have a S2 to play with until the 007 arrives.
All we need now is for Leica to get there sh{t together and start shipping 007's
I see it has IOS to 6400 so that's will be something I will need to read up on :)
Forgive me for sounding extremely rude. It's kinda what I do.
I predict two things in the future. Either you will now disappear from this forum without a trace or you will be back in a few months complaining your ass off about how the leica didn't live up to your lofty expectations.
Either way, viel Spaß.
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Forgive me for sounding extremely rude. It's kinda what I do.
Well you are showing your colour's off well
You also have no idea what you're talking about............
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Judging a camera's low light performance by looking at the ISO settings is like judging a car's top speed by looking at the speedometer. Actually, it's worse than that, since the numbers on the speedometer relate to physical measurements. Maybe a better analogy is the dials on a guitar amplifier. Some people, like the musicians in Spinal Tap, are impressed if the numbers go to 11. Most are not.
The reason why the ISO setting doesn't mean much is that the shadow noise at the highest ISO setting is entirely up to the camera manufacturer. The only thing that's keeping the max setting from hitting seven digits is self-imposed restraint on the part of the people who designed the camera. To add insult to injury, there is no universal, must follow, standard as to midtone values in raw files versus light levels and exposure at any given ISO, leading some manufacturers to be conservative in that regard, and some to be, shall we say, optimistic. In the M240, Leica is on the optimistic side. I don't know about the S series.
Jim
Jim what's that got to do with buying a Leica S mate?
All cameras have IOS just some have more than others
Anyway mate thanks for the feedback 😊
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Done deal,
I have made a deal for all my Leica M gear in exchange for a new Leica S-007 and will also get the 120mm 70mm and 30mm all CS lenses. I will also have a S2 to play with until the 007 arrives.
All we need now is for Leica to get there sh{t together and start shipping 007's
I see it has IOS to 6400 so that's will be something I will need to read up on :)
Enjoy your gear, mate. Come back and show us what you do with it!
Edmund
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Done deal,
I have made a deal for all my Leica M gear in exchange for a new Leica S-007 and will also get the 120mm 70mm and 30mm all CS lenses. I will also have a S2 to play with until the 007 arrives.
All we need now is for Leica to get there sh{t together and start shipping 007's
I see it has IOS to 6400 so that's will be something I will need to read up on :)
You are gonna love the Leica S system. It is a joy to use. The lenses are awesome and work great even wide open. The out of focus rendering of the lenses (bokeh) is also very smooth and nice.
People in this and other forums nitpick sensors to shreds but the reality is that a camera system is not only the sensor. And the one in the S2 is not horrible by any means and im sure the one in the 007 is gonna be much better at higher isos and lower light levels plus it will have greater DR.
Looking forward to reading about your experience with the system.
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Done deal,
I have made a deal for all my Leica M gear in exchange for a new Leica S-007 and will also get the 120mm 70mm and 30mm all CS lenses. I will also have a S2 to play with until the 007 arrives.
All we need now is for Leica to get there sh{t together and start shipping 007's
I see it has IOS to 6400 so that's will be something I will need to read up on :)
Congratulations! I own the S2 and I am very pleased with it.
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Enjoy your gear, mate. Come back and show us what you do with it!
Edmund
Cheers Edmund.............i will defiantly do that :)
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CCD VERSES COMOS Sensor
Please can someone help me understand the Pro's and cons of these 2 sensors
Example for landscape and studio work what would be the most desired?
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CCD VERSES COMOS Sensor
Please can someone help me understand the Pro's and cons of these 2 sensors
Example for landscape and studio work what would be the most desired?
I think Fyodor Dostoyevsky's "The Karamazov Brothers" is a faster and easier read than trying to read all of the forum posts on the CCD vs CMOS debate. It is an endless debate.
In short, if you need/want extreme shadow recovery at base iso, clean extreme high iso and very long exposure image quality and great live view then you are better served by the more recent CMOS sensors.
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Hi Ken,
Excellent summary. I have some reservations about high ISO, though.
Best regards
Erik
I think Fyodor Dostoyevsky's "The Karamazov Brothers" is a faster and easier read than trying to read all of the forum posts on the CCD vs CMOS debate. It is an endless debate.
In short, if you need/want extreme shadow recovery at base iso, clean extreme high iso and very long exposure image quality and great live view then you are better served by the more recent CMOS sensors.
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what is the max size CF card the Leica S006 can use ...can it use a 128GB ?
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I think Fyodor Dostoyevsky's "The Karamazov Brothers" is a faster and easier read than trying to read all of the forum posts on the CCD vs CMOS debate. It is an endless debate.
In short, if you need/want extreme shadow recovery at base iso, clean extreme high iso and very long exposure image quality and great live view then you are better served by the more recent CMOS sensors.
If you search for "CCD VS CMOS" on Amazon, "Pandora's box" shows up in the related products section.
True story.
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what is the max size CF card the Leica S006 can use ...can it use a 128GB ?
Will a 128GB card work?
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Will a 128GB card work?
Google came up with this
The image data from the S2 can be saved on CF cards (Compact Flash) and/or SD cards (Secure Digital Memory Card). You can use cards of both types with up to 64GB memory capacity.
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You should be able to use 128GB cards. The 128GB cards are listed on B&H as recommended accessories for the Leica S.
Also, with regards to the S, there is an interesting promotional bundle right now:
http://www.reddotforum.com/content/2015/07/new-leica-s-typ-006-s-e-typ-006-and-70mm-cs-lens-promotional-bundle-announced/
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CCD VERSES COMOS Sensor
Please can someone help me understand the Pro's and cons of these 2 sensors
Example for landscape and studio work what would be the most desired?
If you are bored you could go through this thread at getdpi (http://www.getdpi.com/forum/medium-format-systems-and-digital-backs/53676-should-i-not.html) - fun to read ;D
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Enjoying my new toy..............picture of my old lady getting ready for Scotland
(http://img913.imageshack.us/img913/1369/1FlyTo.jpg)
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Nice, you should really start to notice the details in makeup, and what works or doesn't work. There is a downside to more detail.
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Nice image. BTW what is going on on the forehead at the edge of the hood? Did you try and lift the exposure in post?
Edmund
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Nice image. BTW what is going on on the forehead at the edge of the hood? Did you try and lift the exposure in post?
Edmund
Edmond I used a gradient filter to add the white smoke/blur kind in vignetting ..............and hummed and had as to whether I should add it......but yet it was gone in PP.
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I took a picture almost identical to that picture you took with a iPhone 6 plus, is it safe to say that iPhone 6 plus over digital medium format, 35mm, mirroless and micro 4/3?!?
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I took a picture almost identical to that picture you took with a iPhone 6 plus, is it safe to say that iPhone 6 plus over digital medium format, 35mm, mirroless and micro 4/3?!?
I'm sorry, but from what you said, I can't figure out what you mean.
Jim
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I think the Leica will suit your needs. Ergonomically, the Leica is a joy to use. I like the Hassey H system for studio work, but not for field work.
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I'm sorry, but from what you said, I can't figure out what you mean.
Jim
I infer that he is saying that his iphone 6 plus (which I don't believe actually exists, but may be a pun on Phase One nomenclature?) captured an almost identical ( whether in subject matter or technically is not made clear) image and therefore is the equal or indeed may be superior as an optical image capturing electronic device than all other sub classes of digital cameras. The evidence for this is apparently completely anecdotal as no image is attached or linked to to support the statement.
I believe this may be a post from a deliberately provocative message board user which does not warrant further comment.
I would hesitate to apply the description troll as that is a subjective judgement and others may regard this post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial.
Does that help?
(Yep, a quiet Sunday morning here and I missed the early nice light, still, looking forward to my previously cherished P45+ arriving if only to prove how dreadful it is as an image capturing device)
BTW Check the weather it was 30C in parts of Scotland last week ;)
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I infer that he is saying that his iphone 6 plus (which I don't believe actually exists, but may be a pun on Phase One nomenclature?) captured an almost identical ( whether in subject matter or technically is not made clear) image and therefore is the equal or indeed may be superior as an optical image capturing electronic device than all other sub classes of digital cameras. The evidence for this is apparently completely anecdotal as no image is attached or linked to to support the statement.
I believe this may be a post from a deliberately provocative message board user which does not warrant further comment.
I would hesitate to apply the description troll as that is a subjective judgement and others may regard this post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial.
Does that help?
(Yep, a quiet Sunday morning here and I missed the early nice light, still, looking forward to my previously cherished P45+ arriving if only to prove how dreadful it is as an image capturing device)
BTW Check the weather it was 30C in parts of Scotland last week ;)
I always wondered what people learned in "explanatory" lit classes - now I know.
Was once in northern Norway in the summer, and it got ... hot. The heat drove the mosquitoes into a blood frenzy.
Edmund
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Hi,
I don't know what the poster meant. On the other hand I would suggest newer iPhones are good enough for web size images, like the ones posted here. So I find 800x600 size images, or so, pretty uninformative regarding the capabilities of a recording system.
Best regards
Erik
I infer that he is saying that his iphone 6 plus (which I don't believe actually exists, but may be a pun on Phase One nomenclature?) captured an almost identical ( whether in subject matter or technically is not made clear) image and therefore is the equal or indeed may be superior as an optical image capturing electronic device than all other sub classes of digital cameras. The evidence for this is apparently completely anecdotal as no image is attached or linked to to support the statement.
I believe this may be a post from a deliberately provocative message board user which does not warrant further comment.
I would hesitate to apply the description troll as that is a subjective judgement and others may regard this post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial.
Does that help?
(Yep, a quiet Sunday morning here and I missed the early nice light, still, looking forward to my previously cherished P45+ arriving if only to prove how dreadful it is as an image capturing device)
BTW Check the weather it was 30C in parts of Scotland last week ;)
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Hi,
I don't know what the poster meant. On the other hand I would suggest newer iPhones are good enough for web size images, like the ones posted here. So I find 800x600 size images, or so, pretty uninformative regarding the capabilities of a recording system.
Best regards
Erik
Actually, it's a nice image, and you need to remember the WAF or SAF. (spouse acceptance factor) which at Leica prices means that if a man wishes to keep his head on his shoulders the first image taken with the camera must be a universally applauded image of the beauteous expense auditor, angelic offspring or loving pet . So let me step up and do my duty as a forum member and declare "IMHO, this is a nice image, worthy of the beauty of its subject" :)
Edmund
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I always wondered what people learned in "explanatory" lit classes - now I know.
Edmund
We call it waffle ;D
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We call it waffle ;D
As the actress said to the bishop, you're quite the iron, man! :P
Edmund
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I just came across this thread.........I still have the S007 and also a H6D100c. The S007 has found a permanent place in the dry box.......its like comparing apples and bananas :) :)
Neil