Seconded.
I am awaiting a reply from my local rep. Will update the thread when I receive it.
It would be very bad business if Phase shuts the door on the Credo customers. I very much prefer working with my Credo and have no interest in upgrading to an IQ3 back to use the new body.
History says Phase is more business savvy than Hass. I really hope this will be the case here too and in the worst case, the compatibility will be added in a while.
Credo support is forthcoming. No due date that I can share as yet.
BR
Yair
No update more recent than Yair's above... Credo is not currently supported on the XF, but it will be supported in the future.
Like cruise ships, Phase One have first and second class :)
Edmund
My dealer has assured that the credo backs WILL work with the XF after a future firmware update as well, but that he cannot give a date for it just yet. Hope that info is helpful to the non troll, actual MF users here.
Breaking news: edmund's getting itches in places that cannot be mentioned in public and probably needs medical attention.
My dealer has assured that the credo backs WILL work with the XF after a future firmware update as well, but that he cannot give a date for it just yet. Hope that info is helpful to the non troll, actual MF users here.
...and you can't afford either and are just floating nearby in a plastic dingy, pelting stones at the said cruise ship.
So why are you in this discussion?
This was the ultimate cruising ship:Erik -
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/RMS_Titanic_3.jpg/800px-RMS_Titanic_3.jpg)
A more modern variant is here:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Costa_Concordia_salvage_July_crop.jpg)
This one faster, cheaper, safer and better, but less comfortable and can even transport over land:
(http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/aircraft_pages_photo_galleries/a380-gallery/A380_On_Ground.JPG)
But perhaps you prefer this one?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Houghton_44W-1384_-_Pyne%2C_Costume_of_Great_Britian.jpg/800px-Houghton_44W-1384_-_Pyne%2C_Costume_of_Great_Britian.jpg)
Best regards
Erik
...getting itches in places that cannot be mentioned in public and probably needs medical attention.
...and you can't afford either and are just floating nearby in a plastic dingy, pelting stones at the said cruise ship.
Humor or not, it doesn't change the fact that Leaf for real has become Phase One's budget brand from a pure business perspective. If you want the latest and greatest MFD tech first, Phase One is your brand. Phase One won't release a flagship feature on Leaf before Phase One, there must be some motivation to the difference in price.
But the situation is a bit special, Leaf was independent before and a competitor to Phase One, they developed their own color profiles and some preferred Leaf's look over Phase One's, that is considered Leaf to be the superior brand (actually I think I'm one of them). This hasn't really changed, Leaf's colors are still distinctly different from Phase One's even if both are in Capture One now, and if you prefer them Leaf is still the superior brand to you. Then you can enjoy the better price that comes with the "budget" brand, but unfortunately need to suffer the delays in features too.
The ironic thing about the horse and carriage Erik, is that you're the one with a V system.
Perhaps that didn't cross your mind. Happens.
Hi Synn,
a good point. But, my systems was chosen by NASA to fly to the moon…
Best regards
Erik
Hi Synn,
a good point. But, my systems was chosen by NASA to fly to the moon…
Best regards
Erik
A lot has rained since then...
as allways ,
business model phase one is not customer friendly ...
and the very near future it will harmed down , for sure.
you will then see, a totally different way of selling digital backs ! with other economics parameters.
best
On top of the tone reproduction problem is then the fine-tunings to make skin tones more flattering, landscape scenes pop more etc.
First apologies for decimating you most interesting post in quoting.
The selective quote implies that there is not one profile to rule them all, as in C1 there is a choice. Is that the case with the other makers software, which I am not familiar with, and implies are perhaps better tuned for colour than the monoliths?
Whilst still "playing" with the P45+ I have found the Flash easy Grey profile to be to my general liking, what does this say about my colour perception? ;D
That is it's impossible to make a single profile that's perfect for all images.
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First apologies for decimating you most interesting post in quoting.
The selective quote implies that there is not one profile to rule them all, as in C1 there is a choice. Is that the case with the other makers software, which I am not familiar with, and implies are perhaps better tuned for colour than the monoliths?
Whilst still "playing" with the P45+ I have found the Flash easy Grey profile to be to my general liking, what does this say about my colour perception? ;D
Adobe also has "hue twists" that is adjustments are made on hues depending on intensity
Other raw converters probably do something to the same effect.
I've attached an example. The first is more accurate, the other is with the corresponding magenta boost, which you can see on the reddish bark on the tree trunks. However, you actually win a prize if you see a difference without layering both images on top of each other and making a swap back and forth.
There is much of what Torger says which is true, but I think the debate is not well situated.
One can twiddle the bits as much as one wants, but the degree of perceptual shoehorning is such that it's like talking about 1920 steel-needle phonograph reproductions of music. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT COLOR, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VERY LIMITED FORMS OF COLOR REPRODUCTION.
If I may be allowed a naive remark, why should a 20x30 cm image of the woods I see on my computer screen compare in any "precise" way to what I perceived when I walked through the woods this morning? Would listening to a 1920 orchestral recording really compare precisely to the sound ambience in the concert hall?
Edmund
If I may be allowed a naive remark, why should a 20x30 cm image of the woods I see on my computer screen compare in any "precise" way to what I perceived when I walked through the woods this morning? Would listening to a 1920 orchestral recording really compare precisely to the sound ambience in the concert hall?
Edmund
Both your examples are not intended to "compare" with the original scene nor with what you heard, obviously not live in 1920 anyway! They are intended to invoke a response in the brain that will "click". Many early acoustic recordings are of iconic performances and not hearing them in whatever current digital bit rate does not diminish their emotional impact. Likewise, to be extreme, seeing iconic work by HCB/Robert Frank in B/W does not diminish the impact of the work. Which of the two woods images best evokes that response? That is the "better" reproduction. Torger says the red of the bark, however subtle, is a trigger for that memory he has, and remember how elastic our memory is, and is constantly changing as well. How does this work if you never directly experienced the scene? I suspect you relate it to a close example you hold in memory, rendition of colour, however inaccurate, that triggers the "click" has worked, it may be a subtle change is enough to differentaite between a memory trigger and yet another picture of trees.
Yes, yes. What tried to say is that it is total bullshit to start talking about raw conversion, tone curves etc as if they actually mean anything - they have about as much absolute significance as the elasticity of a steel needle on a shellack record - they are necessary algorithmic transducers, employed in today's color capture process.
The only place were genuine improvement can be expected to come from is the digital cinema world, because digital cinema sells the user an experience, not a product.
Edmund
Well, it is exactly 7 months later.Forgotten amidst the hype of a new product I might suspect.
Is there any update on compatibility of the Credo and the XF?
The latest unofficially official statement... : http://forum.phaseone.com/En/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=19069#p103301