So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?

[KatManDEW]

As you use LR, you can carry on buying upgrades for updated raw support. Who really needs ACR?

John

ACR is used when sending raw files from LR to PS. If you don't have the latest version of ACR for PS, LR tells you that you need a newer version of ACR, and without it you have to "Render with Lightroom".

And sometimes I bypass LR and pull raw files straight into PS. Can't do that without ACR.

If Adobe can make a free DNG converter available, why can't they sell ACR updates for a small fee? So that people who think the current version of PS will last them for many many years, if not the rest of their life, can maintain raw capability with new cameras? I think the answer to that is that Adobe needs a "hook" to keep people purchasing future versions of PS that they don't want or need (via the subscription model)...

[chez]

Once again, I don't understand why the folks who are happy with the subscription model would care what those who don't like it think. I might suggest though that fighting with the people who don't like the subscription model seems to be pretty much a waste of time and effort.

Move on and enjoy getting what you wanted, and let the folks who didn't get what they want voice their opinions.

Like an discussion...there are multiple opinions and to make a good discussion, we should here out all opinions...not just the ones that agree with one another. Wouldn't that make a discussion rather boring if all we would do is slap each other on the back like good old boys.

I happen to have a counter opinion than yours and I think it is very healthy to post both sides of the equation. Why are you scared to discuss both side?

[john beardsworth]

Then render with the up to date version of LR if you don't want to subscribe.

Bypassing LR is only your current practice, and you can easily be more disciplined and gain the benefit of the new derivatives automatically being in LR.

I'm no fan of Adobe's move, but upgrading LR for its updated raw file support is a perfectly practical alternative to subscribing.

John

[KatManDEW]

Like an discussion...there are multiple opinions and to make a good discussion, we should here out all opinions...not just the ones that agree with one another. Wouldn't that make a discussion rather boring if all we would do is slap each other on the back like good old boys.

I happen to have a counter opinion than yours and I think it is very healthy to post both sides of the equation. Why are you scared to discuss both side?

Scared? C'mon. Really? Why do you care? You got what you want. Why do you find it necessary to defend Adobe's current model?

I personally don't have the time for thousands of post about something I don't care about. If I was happy with the subscription model, I damn sure wouldn't be wasting my time defending it.

[KatManDEW]

Then render with the up to date version of LR if you don't want to subscribe.

Bypassing LR is only your current practice, and you can easily be more disciplined and gain the benefit of the new derivatives automatically being in LR.

I'm no fan of Adobe's move, but upgrading LR for its updated raw file support is a perfectly practical alternative to subscribing.

John

Why does LR say that when you haven't updated ACR for Photoshop? Are we losing anything in the process by doing that? And I seem to remember a intermediate file being created in the process, but I'm not sure about that.

And it doesn't solve the problem for pulling raw straight into PS.

PS does everything I want or need, and then some. I don't need or want upgrades to it. I would pay a small fee for ACR upgrades for PS, but I will not get on the monthly payment train.

LR and PS work for me, but that doesn't mean they are the ONLY apps that will work for me. I'm familiar with using them and would prefer to stay with them, but I will switch rather than get on the monthly payment train.

I shudder to think about other software companies adopting the monthly payment train. Monthly rent for CS, and your OS, and Office software... Where does it end? Oh wait - the software doesn't support local file storage anymore, so you also have to pay for cloud storage.

[Rhossydd]

Why does LR say that when you haven't updated ACR for Photoshop? Are we losing anything in the process by doing that?

As I understand it you only loose the ability to work with the RAW files as smart objects.

[john beardsworth]

Why does LR say that when you haven't updated ACR for Photoshop? Are we losing anything in the process by doing that? And I seem to remember a intermediate file being created in the process, but I'm not sure about that.

Yes, it exports a TIF/PSD file. LR renders it, as the dialog says, so you are losing nothing.

And it doesn't solve the problem for pulling raw straight into PS.

As I said, you can change. If opening from LR costs you time, it's balanced by the rendered file being automatically recorded in LR.

PS does everything I want or need, and then some. I don't need or want upgrades to it. I would pay a small fee for ACR upgrades for PS, but I will not get on the monthly payment train.

That's not going to happen.

LR and PS work for me, but that doesn't mean they are the ONLY apps that will work for me. I'm familiar with using them and would prefer to stay with them, but I will switch rather than get on the monthly payment train.

I shudder to think about other software companies adopting the monthly payment train. Monthly rent for CS, and your OS, and Office software... Where does it end? Oh wait - the software doesn't support local file storage anymore, so you also have to pay for cloud storage.

What, you want to be in control of your own wallet? They're not your photos anyway, are they?

[chez]

Scared? C'mon. Really? Why do you care? You got what you want. Why do you find it necessary to defend Adobe's current model?

I personally don't have the time for thousands of post about something I don't care about. If I was happy with the subscription model, I damn sure wouldn't be wasting my time defending it.

Instead, you are wasting your time whining about it. Personally, if I was in your shoes, I would be out there looking for alternatives. If the subscription model is not right for you, then you need to look elsewhere. Thinking somehow you can convince Adobe to change their new model by voicing, ( if you want to call it that ) your dislikes in a thread on some forum...I think you are wasting your time. But that is your time to waste...just like my time to waste.

[KatManDEW]

That's not going to happen.

What, you want to be in control of your own wallet? They're not your photos anyway, are they?

It won't happen if people don't speak up and cast their vote. And also vote with their wallet.

And speaking of wallets, I haven't been married for many many years, so I am in control of my wallet 

[KatManDEW]

Instead, you are wasting your time whining about it. Personally, if I was in your shoes, I would be out there looking for alternatives. If the subscription model is not right for you, then you need to look elsewhere. Thinking somehow you can convince Adobe to change their new model by voicing, ( if you want to call it that ) your dislikes in a thread on some forum...I think you are wasting your time. But that is your time to waste...just like my time to waste.

I'm not the one with THOUSANDS of post, complaining about something I LIKE.

[KatManDEW]

Yes, it exports a TIF/PSD file. LR renders it, as the dialog says, so you are losing nothing.

As I said, you can change. If opening from LR costs you time, it's balanced by the rendered file being automatically recorded in LR.
 

Thanks for the constructive feedback.

Canon's DPP sends files to PS without creating a intermediate file in my storage that I don't want or need. I wish LR worked that way. I sometimes process hundreds of images from events. I don't like the idea of unnecessary duplicates of all of them cluttering up my storage.

[Rhossydd]

Canon's DPP sends files to PS without creating a intermediate file in my storage that I don't want or need. I wish LR worked that way. I sometimes process hundreds of images from events. I don't like the idea of unnecessary duplicates of all of them cluttering up my storage.

Surely you're not passing hundreds of files out of LR to PS at an event ? If so why ?

[john beardsworth]

I sometimes process hundreds of images from events. I don't like the idea of unnecessary duplicates of all of them cluttering up my storage.

If you have to process hundreds of files through Photoshop, are you sure you are doing as much as you can in Lightroom? Typically such volumes require only a few to be processed in Photoshop and the bulk are processed entirely through Lightroom.

[KatManDEW]

Point being that Canon's DPP sends files to PS without creating a intermediate file in my storage that I don't want or need. I wish LR worked that way....

[Glenn NK]

Once again, I don't understand why the folks who are happy with the subscription model would care what those who don't like it think. I might suggest though that fighting with the people who don't like the subscription model seems to be pretty much a waste of time and effort.

Move on and enjoy getting what you wanted, and let the folks who didn't get what they want voice their opinions.

Isn't it a two way street?

[KatManDEW]

Isn't it a two way street?

Nope. It's a one way street for me. Because I've said my piece and cast one vote here, and now I'm outa here. My final vote will be in the form of green backs, but it won't be a monthly contribution.

Unsubscribing (from this thread) now. Thanks for listening.

[Rhossydd]

Point being that Canon's DPP sends files to PS without creating a intermediate file in my storage that I don't want or need. I wish LR worked that way....

It's unclear what you're asking for here.

LR (and DPP) sends a rendered file to PS, but you then work on that file and save it. There's no stored intermediate file between LR and PS on either LR or DPP.

[digitaldog]

Why does LR say that when you haven't updated ACR for Photoshop? Are we losing anything in the process by doing that? And I seem to remember a intermediate file being created in the process, but I'm not sure about that.

No and no (as other's have tried to explain). You lose nothing, you actually gain the new features in LR that an older version of ACR may not have due to you not wanting to pay for using it by subscription. Your call. And no, there's no increase in intermediate files. LR (or ACR) has to render the data. It would be rather foolish to do this then not save that rendered data. If you have LR do it via ACR (the two are in version parity because you paid to use ACR/Photoshop), the image appears inside of Photoshop but it's not saved, it doesn't exist expect in memory. Again, why render, view, presumably edit and not save that? The same happens if you Export using LR and bypass the ACR rendering engine you didn't pay for. The exported image is saved to disk, you open it and presumably do something with it (or why Export)? So you lose nothing in either scenario unless you wish to waste your time rendering then not saving the data from the raw processor. DPP act's the same way as does every other raw converter.

[dseelig]

For those that say wasting my time voicing displeasure, wasn't the original price 20 a month. Hmm we are a country that says we can protest my time to waste my choice so maybe a thank you to those that protest and have saved you guys money is in order not as important as those who protest war and low salaries but important never the less.

[chez]

For those that say wasting my time voicing displeasure, wasn't the original price 20 a month. Hmm we are a country that says we can protest my time to waste my choice so maybe a thank you to those that protest and have saved you guys money is in order not as important as those who protest war and low salaries but important never the less.

You really think your protests lowered the price? You don't think Adobe had a plan all along? Do you really think a billion dollar company just stumbles into being that successful.

I manage products for a living. Price manipulation is one of the most often used strategies in marketing the product. Come out with a high price ( $20/month )...let the customer think for a while...and then lower it to hook them in. Works all the time.

I think Adobe was counting on $10/month from day one...they just played the game like so many  companies do.