So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?

[Misirlou]

Having said that, many of my customers, and they were all in business and understood these things, were pissed about the deal.  No one wants to feel they have limited options or none at all.  But, I still took them to lunch and they were happy about that.  Many of Adobe customers are not so business oriented if at all.  So they feel more "used".  It's something that Adobe has to consider in their business plan, that's all.   Of course they can't buy their customers lunch.  However, if they were smart, and they are, they should throw in a few more benefits that the CC users aren't expecting.  That would ease the bad feelings a lot.  And they can send me a check for the advice.

Hmm. Jeff Schewe made some cryptic comments regarding the news from a few days ago that Adobe is preparing some sort of iPad app that integrates with Lightroom. Essentially indicating that those of us without direct knowledge don't actually know what it will do or cost, and that our speculations were way off the mark. Perhaps those who subscribed might be getting a few morsels of free lunch in the coming days...??

[dseelig]

I have always believe if you say nothing, nothing will happen. Every revolution starts with one voice. If I reach one person who makes a difference that is all I can ask for. Rubbish well I do not think so. Taht is all the is important to me. Lightroom for ipads is supposed to be $99 a year no other app for the  ipad comes near that much. keep feeding  greed and it will consume you. David

[digitaldog]

I have always believe if you say nothing, nothing will happen. Every revolution starts with one voice.

No one is suggesting you say nothing, it's what and how you say something that's important! Implying, no stating that anyone working for Adobe and did not come with in an inch of loosing there jobs protesting this move I think is a crummy human being is utterly silly and should be dismissed. It's akin to racism, same idiotic mindset. As such, the statement you made has turned off a large audience that you might have communicated with had you done a better job of stating your objections and not making it so personal.  

[Alan Klein]

It's a little too much to bring racism into this,  don't you think?

[digitaldog]

It's a little too much to bring racism into this,  don't you think?

I see NO difference saying that ALL Adobe employees are crummy human beings from being anything but racism. The 'race' in this context isn't the color of skin or bkgnd, but where they work. The mindset is the same.

[Alan Klein]

Racism is being prejudicial of someone due to the color of their skin.  I'm sorry you can equate that to having strong feelings against people you feel charged you too much.  I think you're the one who's gone overboard in your accusations, not the person you've accused. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

It's a little too much to bring racism into this,  don't you think?

It seems these days that nothing is "too little" not to bring the racism into. It is a new bullying word.

P.S. This is not meant as a criticism of what Andrew wrote in particular... just as a general remark about the overuse of it.

[digitaldog]

Racism is being prejudicial of someone due to the color of their skin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism:
Racism is generally defined as actions, practices or beliefs, or social or political systems that are based in views that see the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect, morality, or other cultural behavioral characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently.[1][2]

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Lightroom for ipads is supposed to be $99 a year no other app for the  ipad comes near that much...

Do not buy it, as simple as that. When someone owns an iPad, he can hardly complain of not being able making ends meet. Besides, which other app has the complexity of the Lightroom. As we all know, the most successful app for iPad is a farting machine. And you are right, it is cheaper.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Can someone please quickly bring Hitler of Nazism into the debate? Looks like we need a new major digression in this thread.

[digitaldog]

I'm sorry you can equate that to having strong feelings against people you feel charged you too much.

Charged too much? WTF are you talking about? Read what I wrote completely. I'm referring to a statement that "anyone working for Adobe and did not come with in an inch of loosing there jobs protesting this move I think is a crummy human being"

Got zero to do with any kind of charging.

[Alan Klein]

I'm out of this debate.  It went where I'm not interested.

[digitaldog]

I'm out of this debate.  It went where I'm not interested.

Progress...

[Damon Lynch]

Andrew I don't understand what you're trying to achieve this last couple of days. You feel strongly about it. We all get it. David feels strongly about things too. We all understand that as well. Let's focus on what we have in common such as a love for photography, all the while mindful of our differences, including those in communication style and backgrounds. Let us be at peace with each other.

[PhotoEcosse]

Can someone please quickly bring Hitler of Nazism into the debate? Looks like we need a new major digression in this thread.

Given that Hitler had a skin pigment disorder, I guess that his moustache must have been photoshopped.

Will that do?




 

[dseelig]

When the cloud was announced I wrote Michael a letter asking him if he would speak to Adobe people about the pricing. I did not expect any word back from him as he has this site to run and what he tell adobe I could see him not wanting to announce to the world. Andrew on the other hand makes part of a living teaching Adobe. So my words stung. And others attacked me oh well nothing hurt. I grew up, when I had a father, was a union organizer. I believe in voicing my opinion. Hope we all make great photos. But Adobe I hope they get real competition because they have lost me and many others.
David

[Shalimar Beekman]

I love the new Adobe subscription model. Far better than having to shell out some serious cash every couple years to upgrade the software for my entire staff. Thank you Adobe!

[Simon Garrett]

I love the new Adobe subscription model. Far better than having to shell out some serious cash every couple years to upgrade the software for my entire staff. Thank you Adobe!

Son, that's fightin' talk round these parts! 

I can live with it, but I'd prefer one-off payments every now and then - and the knowledge that my software won't disappear in a puff of smoke if I stop paying. 

[KatManDEW]

I love the new Adobe subscription model. Far better than having to shell out some serious cash every couple years to upgrade the software for my entire staff. Thank you Adobe!

You couldn't make monthly contributions to a Photoshop savings account before, and draw interest on it while waiting on the next new version of Photoshop?

[KatManDEW]

I can live with it, but I'd prefer one-off payments every now and then - and the knowledge that my software won't disappear in a puff of smoke if I stop paying. 

Bingo. What's wrong with offering different payment options? Subscription for those who prefer that. And full purchase for folks who don't like the idea of being left with nothing if they fall on hard times and can't pay for a few months. As someone who encountered a major health expense last year, I know all to well that can happen.