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« Reply #2260 on: July 20, 2010, 02:46:36 pm »

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« Reply #2261 on: July 20, 2010, 11:15:20 pm »

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Beautifull image! as always.

I have a question regarding the B&W rendering. As you work a lot in B&W and with the Mamiya, I guess you have worked both on film and digital.
I've read many times that B&W is still one of the things that do better film.

I've been tempted by the gigabite kind of film (although just available for 35mm) because I saw a big print in a gallery that really impressed me,
but I'm not sure if using back film for B&W is not more an hassle than a real interest. In the end I'm not deciding myself because it is changing the all chain.

What are your thoughts when comparing film and digital in black & white for fine arts prints?

Thank you.

I think there is no need to seek exhaustive comparisons between film and digital for the purpose of finding a winner.
These are matured tools, both powerful in hands of people who can master them. What matters most is the level of skill.
Which style of martial arts is better... We, photographers, at least bleed less trying to come up with a justified answer:)

The most challenging aspect of photography is a large number of factors that play role in the final result.
Just consider the speed and timing of agitation during development of both film and paper. The variations of results one can come up with is unlimited!
I used to have fun photographing film with subject on black paper background and printing white high key prints with silky tonality.
Thinking of this problem of a vast number of factors, one can simplify it by locking some parameters and playing with others.
The same happened with film, especially black and white. The BW film's recipe was locking down the interpretation of color into negative density.
This allowed for a further more focused creative reinterpretation of luminosity in development of prints.

In digital world, we want prints to match exactly what we confirmed on the computer screen.
This is where the locking of parameters occurs - in using calibrated monitors, printers, papers and inks.
The initial locking however is during RAW development when camera profile is applied.
This is where digital can play its card. We can vary this stage of the process, experiment on the fly, see results in real time.
It is all real time - a new kind of magic juxtaposed to darkroom:) And did I mention UNDO?

With all this in mind, lets come back to your question of B&W rendering in film vs digital.
In film there are excellent existing somewhat fixed recipes. In digital you have a freedom to create unlimited number of them.
And this is were usually the problem lies. We now can create vast number of variations effortlessly in real time.
And after that we need to spend much more time, choosing between them.
There is nothing stopping a digital workflow be calibrated to reproduce any given film's spectral characteristics.
There is simply more freedom in control over the process and with it a more work to do. The answer is in how much can one really enjoy their freedom then:)

My favorite BW films were Delta and Acros at ISO 100. They suited me perfectly and I enjoyed them playing with locking and varying all kinds of parameters.
Then I realized, that besides having all this fun I have work to do. So I locked almost everything to just very few recipes.
In digital I am still having this fun:) However, mostly in post. I use custom linear camera profiles and take it from there.

In the image I just posted there was a peculiar detail which was specifically noticeable during conversion to BW.
It is in separation of model from the background which was gray. Notice how it fades in image 3.
Notice how much the sharpness of the BW image varies with variation of the spectral interpretation (there is no sharpening difference between samples, the same image 1 was used in all as a source)
This is a freedom of choice I truly enjoy. But at the end, I will create a few somewhat locked recipes and then another revolution in photography will arrive.

P.S.
I never used color film for BW work, but after scanning a few negatives and slides can say that I don't like the sharpness and grain texture of color films compared to BW.
BW negatives are challenging to scan, especially with very fine grain as it is causing Newton rings - I have to dust them first with baby powder! ICE does not work on them, but Nikon Coolscan 8000 is very happy in covering full dynamic range of my studio negatives.
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« Reply #2262 on: July 20, 2010, 11:35:03 pm »

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...By any chance do you keep the temp a little extra cool in the studio, or is that post?...

Actually, I keep the temperature quite high. I ask models to use their muscles and warm environment helps to avoid trauma.
The skin texture is result of sharpness of the capture and sharpening in post.
Colder temperature would have altered the shape of the nipple, making it less ... content.

Thank you all for kind words.
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« Reply #2263 on: July 21, 2010, 12:37:03 am »

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Actually, I keep the temperature quite high. I ask models to use their muscles and warm environment helps to avoid trauma.
The skin texture is result of sharpness of the capture and sharpening in post.
Colder temperature would have altered the shape of the nipple, making it less ... content.

Thank you all for kind words.


I like it....better it post than a muscle pull :-)  

I want one of your pieces...just trying to see where and which I can have on which of my walls so I can find myself stand in front of ....*with my wife and slump in a happy smile of relaxed joy. :-)
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« Reply #2264 on: July 21, 2010, 03:12:18 am »

2nd shoot with my leaf back and my hassy.  I would show pictures of the first but I'm not allowed to according to contract until they are available to the public first.  C&C please.  Will have more!
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« Reply #2265 on: July 21, 2010, 03:42:01 am »

Quote from: MichaelEzra
I think there is no need to seek exhaustive comparisons between film and digital for the purpose of finding a winner.
These are matured tools, both powerful in hands of people who can master them. What matters most is the level of skill.
Which style of martial arts is better... We, photographers, at least bleed less trying to come up with a justified answer:)

The most challenging aspect of photography is a large number of factors that play role in the final result.
Just consider the speed and timing of agitation during development of both film and paper. The variations of results one can come up with is unlimited!
I used to have fun photographing film with subject on black paper background and printing white high key prints with silky tonality.
Thinking of this problem of a vast number of factors, one can simplify it by locking some parameters and playing with others.
The same happened with film, especially black and white. The BW film's recipe was locking down the interpretation of color into negative density.
This allowed for a further more focused creative reinterpretation of luminosity in development of prints.

In digital world, we want prints to match exactly what we confirmed on the computer screen.
This is where the locking of parameters occurs - in using calibrated monitors, printers, papers and inks.
The initial locking however is during RAW development when camera profile is applied.
This is where digital can play its card. We can vary this stage of the process, experiment on the fly, see results in real time.
It is all real time - a new kind of magic juxtaposed to darkroom:) And did I mention UNDO?

With all this in mind, lets come back to your question of B&W rendering in film vs digital.
In film there are excellent existing somewhat fixed recipes. In digital you have a freedom to create unlimited number of them.
And this is were usually the problem lies. We now can create vast number of variations effortlessly in real time.
And after that we need to spend much more time, choosing between them.
There is nothing stopping a digital workflow be calibrated to reproduce any given film's spectral characteristics.
There is simply more freedom in control over the process and with it a more work to do. The answer is in how much can one really enjoy their freedom then:)

My favorite BW films were Delta and Acros at ISO 100. They suited me perfectly and I enjoyed them playing with locking and varying all kinds of parameters.
Then I realized, that besides having all this fun I have work to do. So I locked almost everything to just very few recipes.
In digital I am still having this fun:) However, mostly in post. I use custom linear camera profiles and take it from there.

In the image I just posted there was a peculiar detail which was specifically noticeable during conversion to BW.
It is in separation of model from the background which was gray. Notice how it fades in image 3.
Notice how much the sharpness of the BW image varies with variation of the spectral interpretation (there is no sharpening difference between samples, the same image 1 was used in all as a source)
This is a freedom of choice I truly enjoy. But at the end, I will create a few somewhat locked recipes and then another revolution in photography will arrive.

P.S.
I never used color film for BW work, but after scanning a few negatives and slides can say that I don't like the sharpness and grain texture of color films compared to BW.
BW negatives are challenging to scan, especially with very fine grain as it is causing Newton rings - I have to dust them first with baby powder! ICE does not work on them, but Nikon Coolscan 8000 is very happy in covering full dynamic range of my studio negatives.
Michael, this is a great answer, full of wisdom and truly informative.
The samples you attached is really interesting indeed and illustrate very well what you are pointing in the lastest part of your post.
Thank you for the quality of your repply.

Cheers.
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« Reply #2266 on: July 21, 2010, 01:32:02 pm »

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That sounds like it could be me?

Go back? Well, I was going to say never, but there again I might be tempted to buy some fillum together a 25 quid lomo and cheap filter, smear with Vaseline, stick an over-sized hood on the front and push process. Seriously, it's a look.



If you ever do go back, I have a full fridge  of all kinds of 4x5, 35, 67 film I am soon to let go of... I will post here when i do.  I am comfortable with post processing digitally, so its been almost 2 years since I opened the fridge.   With film, its the surprise that I sometimes miss, even on the test Polaroids, I do miss  the process.
...anything calculated in a shoot I don't miss in film.
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« Reply #2267 on: July 21, 2010, 03:18:11 pm »

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That sounds like it could be me?

Go back? Well, I was going to say never, but there again I might be tempted to buy some fillum together a 25 quid lomo and cheap filter, smear with Vaseline, stick an over-sized hood on the front and push process. Seriously, it's a look.

Given the choice of medium format film or dslr I'd now have to choose the Nikon or Canon, as much as I dislike them.

But then there's B&W fillum which I know next to nought about.
Keith, I've worked with the 6x6 Lomo in fine arts and it was truly fun. I was doing at that time 2meters enlargement where I painted with polyester and different sort of fibers on Ilford B&W paper.
The Ilford paper is not affected by the resine. (unlike the new process)
The Lomo handled with ease this sizes (for what I was doing with it later  ). Never had exposure problems, the lens works perfectly fine.
But seriously, highly recommended.

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I still have the beast somewhere in my parent's flat in France and this time I think I'm going to bring it back with me here.
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« Reply #2268 on: July 21, 2010, 06:12:46 pm »

Well, I think I'll keep the freezer cold for a while yet. Was thinking of trying out the 'old' D200 again with my 2.8/180 which magically becomes a 270. The idea is to do something with the long and narrow, almost old western streets that run down through a coastal village here and would give a background of dry mountains. I had the idea years ago when I still had really long lenses, and wanted to find a girl to do the shoot with. I could get old guns from a now long-gone Aladdin's cave of a shop that used to exist in Puerto Pollensa and we had enough props to dress her up to suit the idea. Maybe now it might still happen without the girl...

Damn, I think I just talked myself right out of it. What would be the point?

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« Reply #2269 on: July 24, 2010, 01:52:04 pm »

A few from the workshop I taught in Bristol last Wednesday, still working on the shots.
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« Reply #2270 on: July 24, 2010, 01:53:49 pm »

on the way back from Bristol we visited Stonehenge and although I'm not a landscape photographer I loved these two myself so are here to share if you don't mind.
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« Reply #2271 on: July 26, 2010, 12:17:05 am »

First Car Pic I've done EVER!

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« Reply #2272 on: July 26, 2010, 12:18:57 am »

Nice Pictures Frank!

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« Reply #2273 on: July 26, 2010, 10:29:25 am »

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on the way back from Bristol we visited Stonehenge and although I'm not a landscape photographer I loved these two myself so are here to share if you don't mind.


You should have popped into London and said hello to us here at Peartree Frank!
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« Reply #2274 on: July 26, 2010, 01:54:12 pm »

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A few from the workshop I taught in Bristol last Wednesday, still working on the shots.
Any plan to go to Madrid soon?

I read from a guy that took one with you that your workshops are better than sex.

Put me on the list if you do something here, or I may want to drop by a northen country at one point.
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« Reply #2275 on: July 26, 2010, 04:59:02 pm »

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You should have popped into London and said hello to us here at Peartree Frank!
I know but this one was really booked solid. I will be doing Kent also and make sure I drop by then.
We got stuck around London for 3 hours and barely madetge boat back. In Kent my schedule is less cramped.
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« Reply #2276 on: July 26, 2010, 05:02:02 pm »

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Any plan to go to Madrid soon?

I read from a guy that took one with you that your workshops are better than sex.

Put me on the list if you do something here, or I may want to drop by a northen country at one point.
At the moment not, sorry.

I'll be in Florida next week after that Dublin, Belgium, Kent and Italy.
So I'm full for this year I'm afraid for abroad. We try to do one workshop abroad a month or small tours like in the uk.
I also have the studio and workshops in the Netherlands of course
I will be at photokina which should be a great place for a meet ?

Fir next year we are planning and I would live to do something in Scandinavia but Spain also sound tempting
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« Reply #2277 on: July 26, 2010, 05:36:33 pm »

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At the moment not, sorry.

I'll be in Florida next week after that Dublin, Belgium, Kent and Italy.
So I'm full for this year I'm afraid for abroad. We try to do one workshop abroad a month or small tours like in the uk.
I also have the studio and workshops in the Netherlands of course
I will be at photokina which should be a great place for a meet ?

Fir next year we are planning and I would live to do something in Scandinavia but Spain also sound tempting

Are your workshops held in English here? Mijn Nederlandse is niet so goed...

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« Reply #2278 on: July 26, 2010, 06:24:46 pm »

English everywhere except in the Netherlands.
I can speak a bit German but not enough for a workshop
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« Reply #2279 on: July 26, 2010, 10:41:29 pm »

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At the moment not, sorry.

I'll be in Florida next week after that Dublin, Belgium, Kent and Italy.
So I'm full for this year I'm afraid for abroad. We try to do one workshop abroad a month or small tours like in the uk.
I also have the studio and workshops in the Netherlands of course
I will be at photokina which should be a great place for a meet ?

Fir next year we are planning and I would live to do something in Scandinavia but Spain also sound tempting

Where in Florida? I'm between Tampa and Orlando.
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