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Bill Jaynes

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« on: July 16, 2007, 07:49:12 pm »

Hello,
Is there a consensus here on whether to maximize certain image attributes during exposure versus post-processing? I've got a 5D and have been shooting it "flat" with no increase for sharpness, saturation etc. I process those in PS later in RAW mode, but, maybe there something to be said for letting the camera do some of that.
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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2007, 11:14:32 pm »

If you're using RAW, then the in-camera settings have no effect (except sometimes, depending on the RAW converter you use, to set the initial defaults on the adjustments on the converter).  The in-camera settings affect jpgs & tiffs, but not RAWs.

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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2007, 03:31:48 pm »

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If you're using RAW, then the in-camera settings have no effect (except sometimes, depending on the RAW converter you use, to set the initial defaults on the adjustments on the converter).  The in-camera settings affect jpgs & tiffs, but not RAWs.

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Thanks Lisa, that simplifies things somewhat, leaves more RAM for the rest.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2007, 04:33:50 pm »

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If you're using RAW, then the in-camera settings have no effect (except sometimes, depending on the RAW converter you use, to set the initial defaults on the adjustments on the converter).  The in-camera settings affect jpgs & tiffs, but not RAWs.

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That is all very true. But (there's always a 'but'  ) if you want to use histogram to judge your exposure, you'd want to set up colour space (Adobe RGB, instead of sRGB), and also contrast, white balance and saturation. These will affect the image preview in camera and how the histogram displays.
With correctly chosen settings, you'll be able to get a much better understanding of where you highlights and shadows are, and if there's any clipping in colour chanels.
To see what's best in different lighting conditions, shoot a target (GM colour checker is good for this) with different settings. Then import RAWs into LR or CR with Zero'd initial adjustements. This way you'll see how each setting will affect the histogram.
All this will be especially useful if you are using "Expose to the right" technique.
Left at factory defaults, the in-camera histogram will force you to loose at least half a stop of usable dynamic range, compared to what the camera is really capable of.

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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2007, 07:09:34 pm »

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All this will be especially useful if you are using "Expose to the right" technique.
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Well it might help a tiny bit.
Today I shot a series of tests to work on this expose to the right technique. ISO 100/400/100 using a number of targets, all measured first with a Spectrophotometer so I could see where they really are with respect to highlight clipping (one has a L*star value of 99.8!)

I was able to 'over expose' two stops from what my flash meter suggested was correct and in Lightroom, pull back the Exposure slider such that the highlights were below 100% in Lightroom. The rest of the 'over exposed' image when 'normalized' using just this one slider visually matched the 'normal' very, very closely. I set the Picture Styles for a very flat contrast (-4 on my 5D). As an example, F8 was normal at ISO 100, F4 could be normalized but the LCD showed clipping of the white at F6.3 (two expousre settings open from normal). I was bummed. F4 truly has no highlight clipping, F6.3 shows it going off on the LCD like gang busters. I was set to Adobe RGB (1998) for the LCD but I suspect that the disconnect between the Histogram and clipping of rendered JPEGs and what's really happening in the raw is just too far off to use the LCD as a reliable indicator of linear encoded raw clipping.

So, we just need a button on the camera to stop lying to us and show us clipping based on the raw, not the JEPG we are not shooting.
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2007, 08:06:15 pm »

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So, we just need a button on the camera to stop lying to us and show us clipping based on the raw, not the JEPG we are not shooting.

Couldn't agree more. Or perhaps even just a number on the LCD showing the percentage of pixels clipped. Even easier.
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