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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #16400 on: October 11, 2024, 09:35:27 am »

Johnson slams door on Congress returning for disaster aid
Congressional leaders say new disaster spending legislation can wait until the lame duck.
Hurricane Milton’s rampage is not swaying House Republican leaders who oppose returning to Washington to approve billions of dollars for disaster assistance.

President Joe Biden on Thursday said lawmakers should return to Capitol Hill “immediately” from their preelectionBiden sounded a different theme Thursday, saying that “I think the Congress should be coming back and moving on emergency needs immediately, and they’re gonna have to come back after the election as well.” He said lawmakers should at least provide more money now for the Small Business Administration’s disaster loans program, which is also close to exhaustion after multiple calamities. recess, echoing pleas from both Republican and Democratic lawmakers from the afflicted states.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/10/biden-johnson-congress-fema-disaster-aid-00183327
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« Reply #16401 on: October 11, 2024, 10:37:11 pm »

Johnson slams door on Congress returning for disaster aid
Congressional leaders say new disaster spending legislation can wait until the lame duck.
Hurricane Milton’s rampage is not swaying House Republican leaders who oppose returning to Washington to approve billions of dollars for disaster assistance.

President Joe Biden on Thursday said lawmakers should return to Capitol Hill “immediately” from their preelectionBiden sounded a different theme Thursday, saying that “I think the Congress should be coming back and moving on emergency needs immediately, and they’re gonna have to come back after the election as well.” He said lawmakers should at least provide more money now for the Small Business Administration’s disaster loans program, which is also close to exhaustion after multiple calamities. recess, echoing pleas from both Republican and Democratic lawmakers from the afflicted states.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/10/biden-johnson-congress-fema-disaster-aid-00183327

Please don't take this personally, but what the hell is wrong with the USA these days? If people can't help each other in a time of disaster then what is the point of being a country. It's ok to sink big money into PACS and Super PACS (whatever the hell they are) to help incompetent jackasses get/keep their jobs but it's not ok to use tax money to help people in a jam. Stop electing morons and stop giving power to rich guys. None of this is new.
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« Reply #16402 on: October 12, 2024, 11:08:56 am »

Please don't take this personally, but what the hell is wrong with the USA these days?
Here you go (to start):
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« Reply #16403 on: October 12, 2024, 07:43:50 pm »

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Tens of thousands of evangelical Christians gathered on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday to pray for America’s atonement and for Donald Trump’s return to the White House.
Organizers of the event, billed “A Million Women,” described the gathering — and next month’s presidential election — as “a last stand moment” to save the nation from forces of darkness.
Another data point that convinces me that being a member of FFRF and sticking with Reagan is the right call:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm2XiOvL_Fg&themeRefresh=1
"not afraid of burning in hell"
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« Reply #16404 on: October 12, 2024, 09:04:47 pm »

Another data point that convinces me that being a member of FFRF and sticking with Reagan is the right call:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm2XiOvL_Fg&themeRefresh=1
"not afraid of burning in hell"

The latest batshit craziness that I've heard about is that meteorologists are being threatened for collaborating on the government's control of the weather.

Why do folks who don't believe in human-induced climate change believe that the government can control hurricanes?
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« Reply #16405 on: October 12, 2024, 10:21:55 pm »

The latest batshit craziness that I've heard about is that meteorologists are being threatened for collaborating on the government's control of the weather.
Same group with the Jewish Space Lasers.
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« Reply #16406 on: October 13, 2024, 12:21:44 pm »

Interesting short article on how tariffs work:
https://shorturl.at/ECboe
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« Reply #16407 on: October 13, 2024, 03:33:03 pm »

But if they cost twenty bucks more than need be, if the customer still buys, then the US citizen is doing the right thing and giving Uncle Sam lots of financial help. Thus, if a US-based company wants to make shoes too, it can start at a high price that allows for high wages.

Win - win? ;-)

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« Reply #16408 on: October 13, 2024, 05:10:10 pm »

But if they cost twenty bucks more than need be, if the customer still buys, then the US citizen is doing the right thing and giving Uncle Sam lots of financial help. Thus, if a US-based company wants to make shoes too, it can start at a high price that allows for high wages.

Win - win? ;-)
The 2nd 'IF" is a big one!
It's a tax; that's the bottom line. IF all US citizens are doing the right thing by paying 2X their current taxes they pay, is that a win-win?
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« Reply #16409 on: October 14, 2024, 11:51:58 am »

But if they cost twenty bucks more than need be, if the customer still buys, then the US citizen is doing the right thing and giving Uncle Sam lots of financial help. Thus, if a US-based company wants to make shoes too, it can start at a high price that allows for high wages.

Win - win? ;-)

I think you would enjoy the book Filthy Lucre by Univ of Toronto philosophy professor Joseph Heath. Ignore the title, that was him having fun. It's old by now but not dated. He examines economic issues in modern culture from both left and right points of view, pointing out what each gets "wrong", philosophically speaking. It's a good interesting read, not a heavy technical tome. I remember one of the things he discusses is foreign trade and tariffs, but it has been so long that I can't remember what he said. Forgive me my ignorance, but the book explains it better than I could anyway.
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« Reply #16410 on: October 14, 2024, 02:03:32 pm »

Seriously, it’s all simply old-fashioned protectionism.

What I’ve noticed over the years is this: each country appears to have its period of favoured time in the sunshine. However, it eventually finds that it’s paying itself too much, only to see its customer base shift irrevocably to the next cheaper producer. It was the UK’s turn for many years, then it lost its shipbuilding to France and Germany and Japan. As far as cars go, what wasn’t destroyed by bloody-minded unionism and strikes, moved into Indian and German hands… irony? After a while, Korea moved in and replaced much of everything, leaving a now over-expensive Japan outsourcing too (à la Nikon) and so it goes. It will soon be India’s turn to glow (AFAIK it now builds Excelsior motor bikes that were once English… it has the capacity to build ships, and launched its first big one - the Jala Usha - in Vizag in 1948), and Africa beckons from the wings. Ask the US about the rust belt, and an honest answer will confirm it has no chance of recovery unless subsidies reach the Moon. As I see it, we have our good run, and then the curtain falls on the production and it’s time to go home.

The same problem of paying the self too much isn’t confined to states: many individuals fall into the same trap, often via the simple process of buying more expensive stuff than they can actually afford. I used to buy my cars with a single payment. At one stage, the accountant advised I should buy on hire-purchase instead, and enjoy the writing down process more than I was doing. I did that twice, and with it came two bad years; never again: if I couldn't write the cheque I waited until I could. An untroubled mind is worth a lot. Of course, I do appreciate that that’s not everybody’s attitude to business. There is the school that believes that if one fails, that’s then the bank’s problem instead…

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #16411 on: October 14, 2024, 10:05:52 pm »

But if they cost twenty bucks more than need be, if the customer still buys, then the US citizen is doing the right thing and giving Uncle Sam lots of financial help. Thus, if a US-based company wants to make shoes too, it can start at a high price that allows for high wages.

Win - win? ;-)

The inescapable fact is that we live in a global economy which affects every nation. A trade war, like any other type of war, causes chaos and creates significant damage on both sides of the conflict.

The existential questions are who survives and how to prevent another from wreaking more havoc and damage in the future.
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« Reply #16412 on: October 15, 2024, 11:26:05 am »

Yes, global. Back in the day, we used to say that photographers held hands in order to stop each other from picking one other’s pockets. Countries should do much the same - probably many do. Seems there's tax difficulty enough with one state making it tough for another, right in the same country… ;-)

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« Reply #16413 on: October 15, 2024, 11:54:53 am »

Elon Musk has been distributing many dumb ideas lately, https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/elon-musk-is-literally-hampering-hurricane-relief-efforts-misinformation.

Does anyone think that this is what "free speech" is about?

Since the US does not really believe in consumer protection, not to any real extent, shouldn't there soon be lawsuits about this stuff? Can sites really publish harm-causing lies with impunity? Can it really be legal to harm people like this. It's not as if the evidence for trial would be hard to find, it's all over the internet. There are precedents that need to be set, unless you don't really want a functioning society. What else are you willing to let him get away with.
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« Reply #16414 on: October 16, 2024, 02:00:58 pm »

Robert -

On what folks get away with: I was having this very conversation this morning, and the general feeling was that there is a sense of the world sliding into a state of international revolution, brought about by so many of us apparently being taken for granted - if even noticed - and that the time is coming when somebody will stand up and say no, enough is enough. At that point, the surprise will be so great that the powers that be will do one of two things: try to wage war against the population, or simply cave in and resign, leaving an immense power vacuum that rather than solving anything, will simply usher in the next set of tyrants, all bearing the flags of messiahs.

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« Reply #16415 on: October 16, 2024, 08:42:26 pm »

In the broader context, the current conflicts, disharmony, clashing of opinions, and competition for power and wealth, have been occurring throughout human history.

It might appear that things are getting worse in our modern era, but this 'appearance' is a result of the prevalence of modern technology which enables almost instantaneous news about the occurrence of every bad event almost everywhere on the planet, and, as we should all know, the 'news media' tend to focus more on bad events than good events.

It's rather sad that we do not learn more from history and avoid repeating mistakes of the past.
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« Reply #16416 on: October 17, 2024, 08:30:17 am »

Ray, the almost instantaneous dissemination of news - and lies - is possibly the catalyst that will actually lead to revolt. Whereas in years gone by it could take months for stuff to filter through to the public at large, the current state of transmission means that flash floods of anger can overtake reason - witness the storming of the Capìtol. Had that resulted in mass killings inside - or outside - it would certainly have had a different, wider ending. Critical mass is everything.

What a wonderful opportunity that resulting instability would have posed for enemies of the West.

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« Reply #16417 on: October 17, 2024, 09:46:59 am »

... flash floods of anger can overtake reason - witness the storming of the Capìtol. Had that resulted in mass killings inside - or outside - it would certainly have had a different, wider ending.

Didn't Trump advise his supporters that the protest should be peaceful?  ;)
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« Reply #16418 on: October 17, 2024, 11:32:48 am »

Didn't Trump advise his supporters that the protest should be peaceful?  ;)
Was that around the time he advised his supporters to inject bleach (excuse me) disinfectant*?
* https://www.cloroxpro.com/blog/busting-myths-about-bleach/
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Bleach is often the go-to disinfectant because it has a proven history of effectiveness against a broad range of bacteria, bacterial spores, viruses, and fungi. In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends using an Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)-registered hospital-grade disinfectant, like bleach, to kill C. auris or C. difficile (“C. diff”) spores.1
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« Reply #16419 on: October 17, 2024, 12:00:33 pm »

Was that around the time he advised his supporters to inject bleach?
TDS in full view. One lie after another.
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