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[Slobodan Blagojevic]

....Of course Floyd's mistake that really "put himself in the situation" was being black.

Utter nonsense.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... the reality of arbitrary killing by police.

Utter nonsense.

[jeremyrh]

Three different things happened and they were all bad.

1. Bad guy wants to cheat a small store owner and resists the arrest.
2. Bad cop kills the bad perp.
3. Groups of bad guys then used the opportunity to vandalize, loot and kill other cops.

Lots of things happened, of various degrees of badness, including

1) Small time crook does small time crooked deed
2) Small time crook is murdered by policeman while other police look on and do nothing
3) People react by marching in the street, rather than writing a strongly worded letter to their representatives
4) Some people try to snag themsleves a new TV
5) Police react to protests with extreme violence, even when protest is peaceful, including assaulting clearly signed press, and elderly people and children

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Lots of things happened, of various degrees of badness, including

1) Small time crook does small time crooked deed
2) Small time crook is murdered by policeman while other police look on and do nothing
3) People react by marching in the street, rather than writing a strongly worded letter to their representatives
4) Some people try to snag themsleves a new TV
5) Police react to protests with extreme violence, even when protest is peaceful, including assaulting clearly signed press, and elderly people and children

Looks like a recipe on how to cook a fake news.

[Craig Lamson]

You really have to wonder what engenders this level of hate.

Typical triggered braindead liberal responce.

No hate, I just don't like you or your thinking.  And I'm more that happy to express my opinion about it.  Of course thats the real problem these days.  No dissent from the liberal "ideal" allowed.

[Craig Lamson]

Floyd "put himself in the situation" of being dead by committing some petty crimes?  Interesting notion of "liberty".  Of course Floyd's mistake that really "put himself in the situation" was being black.

Yes he did.  Had he NOT committted the crimes, he would not have been arrested, and as it turned out, not dead.

Take away the "petty" crimes and this situation does not exist...at least as it applies to Floyd.

[jeremyrh]

Yes he did.  Had he NOT committted the crimes, he would not have been arrested, and as it turned out, not dead.

Take away the "petty" crimes and this situation does not exist...at least as it applies to Floyd.

Indeed - or if he'd never been born, or if he'd had too many beers the night before and stayed in with a hangover, or a million other things. However, the point is that in the "land of liberty", Floyd did not have the liberty to continue living, because a policeman chose to kill him. That may correspond to your idea of "liberty"; it doesn't to mine.

[Craig Lamson]

Indeed - or if he'd never been born, or if he'd had too many beers the night before and stayed in with a hangover, or a million other things. However, the point is that in the "land of liberty", Floyd did not have the liberty to continue living, because a policeman chose to kill him. That may correspond to your idea of "liberty"; it doesn't to mine.

However the point is, Floyd made some very poor choices and it ended up getting him killed.  NOT cutting the bad cops any slack, they were simply bad abd they deserve whatever comes to them...being responsible for thier actions.  BUT and this is big.  You make poor choices...Floyds "liberty...you deal with the results.  Floyd could have continued living had he not been a bad actor and not commited crimes. 

Liberty is taking the good with the bad and taking responsibility for your own actions.

[jeremyrh]

However the point is, Floyd made some very poor choices and it ended up getting him killed. 

He made some choices and he got killed - that much is clear, but none of the choices he made justifies his murder.

[faberryman]

Three different things happened and they were all bad.

1. Bad guy wants to cheat a small store owner and resists the arrest.
2. Bad cop kills the bad perp.
3. Groups of bad guys then used the opportunity to vandalize, loot and kill other cops.

1. Was it ever proven that the bill was counterfeit. All I have seen is "alleged counterfeit".
2. Ergo, was he in fact a "bad perp".
3. Is it the right wing boogaloo boys killing cops?

[faberryman]

However the point is, Floyd made some very poor choices and it ended up getting him killed.  NOT cutting the bad cops any slack, they were simply bad abd they deserve whatever comes to them...being responsible for thier actions.  BUT and this is big.  You make poor choices...Floyds "liberty...you deal with the results.  Floyd could have continued living had he not been a bad actor and not commited crimes. 

Liberty is taking the good with the bad and taking responsibility for your own actions.

Sounds a lot like victim blaming to me.

[Craig Lamson]

Sounds a lot like victim blaming to me.

The victim shares some of the responsibility.  He made some bad choices.

[Craig Lamson]

He made some choices and he got killed - that much is clear, but none of the choices he made justifies his murder.

Who said his death was justified?   Certainly not me and I would be hard pressed to find even anyone who does.

You are just trying and failing to create a fake narrative.

[Robert Roaldi]

The victim shares some of the responsibility.  He made some bad choices.

Oh yeah, he had it coming.

I was thinking about a thought experiment. Imagine the police arresting a militia guy in this manner and then one of the militia guy's buddies, realizing that the cop is killing his buddy (contrary to the constitution or I hope it is), empties a clip from his AR-15 into the cop. Would that be murder or would that be exercising his rights to defend his buddy's constitution rights from arbitrary police force?


I don't think it's reasonable that people be killed while being arrested, do you? Handcuffs are usually enough to restrain people, no need to kill them. Is it really the function of the police to meet out punishment? Is that what they are for?


There was another story last week with video showing police puncturing the tires that belonged to journalists who were covering a demonstration. Soviets would be proud of that, police who intimidate the press on behalf of the administration. Something to be proud of, that.

[jeremyrh]

The victim shares some of the responsibility.  He made some bad choices.

Utter nonsense.

[Craig Lamson]

Utter nonsense.

The perfect response when you no longer can refute an argument.

[Craig Lamson]

Oh yeah, he had it coming.

I was thinking about a thought experiment. Imagine the police arresting a militia guy in this manner and then one of the militia guy's buddies, realizing that the cop is killing his buddy (contrary to the constitution or I hope it is), empties a clip from his AR-15 into the cop. Would that be murder or would that be exercising his rights to defend his buddy's constitution rights from arbitrary police force?


I don't think it's reasonable that people be killed while being arrested, do you? Handcuffs are usually enough to restrain people, no need to kill them. Is it really the function of the police to meet out punishment? Is that what they are for?


There was another story last week with video showing police puncturing the tires that belonged to journalists who were covering a demonstration. Soviets would be proud of that, police who intimidate the press on behalf of the administration. Something to be proud of, that.

AR 15 guy gets arrested for murder.  His like was not in peril.

No it’s not reasonable to get killed while being arrested nor is it reasonable to fight with police while being arrested. 

Don’t do qnything that might get you arrested and if you are being arrested go peacefully and there is a far greater chance of not being a inured or killed.  It’s really pretty simple.  Don’t be a criminal.

[faberryman]

The perfect response when you no longer can refute an argument.

I believe he was mocking Slobodan's two most recent replies to his posts containing only the words "Utter nonsense."

[Peter McLennan]

Typical triggered braindead liberal responce.

No hate, I just don't like you or your thinking.  And I'm more that happy to express my opinion about it.  Of course thats the real problem these days.  No dissent from the liberal "ideal" allowed.

The prejudiced left would respond: "typical brain dead, mis-spelled, right-wing response."  However, I won't.

The "liberal ideal" (unfortunately for you) includes the necessity of validating wild-ass assertions.  If you can back 'em up. Fine.  Let's all hear them and get educated.

If you can't, or won't, it's just more lies and bullshit.

And we're oh, so tired of lies and bullshit.

[Paulo Bizarro]

AR 15 guy gets arrested for murder.  His like was not in peril.

No it’s not reasonable to get killed while being arrested nor is it reasonable to fight with police while being arrested. 

Don’t do qnything that might get you arrested and if you are being arrested go peacefully and there is a far greater chance of not being a inured or killed.  It’s really pretty simple.  Don’t be a criminal.

Describing what he did as "fight with the police" is a stretch of imagination... but as the song says:

"On these streets, Charles
You've got to understand the rules
If an officer stops you, promise me you'll always be polite
And that you'll never ever run away
Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"

Otherwise, you might get killed.