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[James Clark]

Which would also prove Biden is unfit to serve.

Irrelevant to Obamagate

[James Clark]

Well I have to give it to you James, thats a good comeback.

I'm on a roll today

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I'm on a roll today

Too bad I can't participate. The issue is too convoluted to waste my time on it. I just noticed that Fox website is devoting about 80% of its front page to it, while CNN has precisely zero.

[Craig Lamson]

I edited my initial comment to note that Biden wouldn't have known *specifically* of Flynn's part in the investigation, which I think is logical...

Anyway, to answer your question, in a overreaching sense, yes, I find it very troubling - in fact, disqualifying - when an executive uses the unchecked power of the government to conduct purely political persecutions. (It's why I'm so concerned with the current administration replacing legit oversight with political lackeys.)

What I'm not seeing here is why you think this meets that standard.  We agree that the investigation had a reasonable initial foundation (or at least we agree that numerous bipartisan professionals thought so at the time), and we agree that Trump associates were in direct contact with people we again, both agree were trying to monkey with the election.

So what am I supposed to be concerned about in mid-January 2017?   (I'm not trying to be dense or contrarian here - I legitimately can't understand how, even in the worst light, this is more egregious that what Trump tried to do to Biden re: Ukraine, which you were defending.)

What to be concerned about?  They, Biden included, were trying to take down or at least hobble the incoming administration.  And they were leaking the names of those unmasked ( Flynn) as part of that effort.  It appears it was not just the White Hut, but also the Nat Sec and FBI in on the game. 

Whats the difference?  Biden is not in power.  He is a candidate.  Trump was President Elect.  You have an outgoing administration doing its damnest to hobble or destroy the new President.  I dont care if you hate the new guy coming in, he is going to represent America and you should leave your position peacefully. This is scummy shit and I will feel the same way if Trump tires it when his term is over. 

But you really have to ask why?  What did thye have to gain by doing this?  It really had zero bearing on "protecting" America.  So why do it?  Were they trying to hide something?  Were they screwed because some secrets they thought were safe with a Hillary Presidency now vulnerable?  Is that why they need Joe now?    Ok these are conspiracy theories, I understand that, but this looks really fishy.

[Alan Klein]

Good products will always sell (look at iPhones and iPads). It's the junk that will suffer, good riddance for that.

Les, I said western export products including Canadian.  So when unemployed Americans stop buying cars, Canadian exports and factories that make autos and auto parts will suffer.  German Mercedes will suffer.  French wines export will suffer when American start drinking cheaper beer or American wines.  CHinese manurfturered products will suffer too.  Unemployed people don;t buy new Nikons, iPhones and whatever.  Foxconn, the Chinese iPhone laner for Apple, lost thousands of jobs already.  Foreigner should pray American take risks and get back to work.  It will be their families that aren't eating as well as Americans. Switching exports to other countries won;t work because those countries workers aren't working either.  We're all going to suffer. 

[Alan Klein]

Airlines, Boeing, Airbus, and all the thousands of suppliers for new aircraft are in dire straits.  We're not talking about low paying jobs any longer.  Also, what about all the hotels, taxis, travels firms around the world that won't have customers. Disney, African safaris, photographic trips to Antarctica, Africa, New Zealand?  The only reasons the airlines are in trouble is because no one's flying.  If no one's flying, no one's traveling at least long distances meaning all the ancillary services are dead as well.  A few months from now, when we have 40 million unemployed, people are going to be scratching the heads wondering why we shut down economies. 

Delta to retire Boeing 777s as pandemic dims outlook for international travel
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/14/coronavirus-news-delta-to-retire-boeing-777s-seeks-to-burn-zero-cash-by-end-of-2020.html

Here's a picture of a search I did to visit the best hotels in Las Vegas.  Hint: They're not Sold Out.

[JoeKitchen]

Irrelevant to Obamagate

True, but certainly a conclusion none the less. 

Who wants a president with dementia.  I mean they can hide their own Easter eggs, but beyond that?

[Peter McLennan]

Well I have to give it to you James, thats a good comeback.

And after all, boys.  It's all about the comeback.

[Robert Roaldi]

More tales from cuckoo land, https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-fox-news_n_5ebaffdbc5b65b5fd63dac80?ri18n=true. The article suggests how Trump came to be infatuated with "hydroxychloroquine", who pushed the idea and how.

 

[JoeKitchen]

Airlines, Boeing, Airbus, and all the thousands of suppliers for new aircraft are in dire straits.  We're not talking about low paying jobs any longer.  Also, what about all the hotels, taxis, travels firms around the world that won't have customers. Disney, African safaris, photographic trips to Antarctica, Africa, New Zealand?  The only reasons the airlines are in trouble is because no one's flying.  If no one's flying, no one's traveling at least long distances meaning all the ancillary services are dead as well.  A few months from now, when we have 40 million unemployed, people are going to be scratching the heads wondering why we shut down economies. 

Delta to retire Boeing 777s as pandemic dims outlook for international travel
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/14/coronavirus-news-delta-to-retire-boeing-777s-seeks-to-burn-zero-cash-by-end-of-2020.html

Here's a picture of a search I did to visit the best hotels in Las Vegas.  Hint: They're not Sold Out.

Flights to TX are cheap, along with hotel rooms.  I think I may start marketing my services there this week or next.  Not to mention, my insurance provider is now issuing COIs and any C-19 issues that could arise on set with my assistants (such as they tested positive after attending a shoot) are now covered by my Workmans Comp. 

So TX may be the place to start trying to get work right now. 

[Peter McLennan]

For those really interested in the Obama/Trump transition period, I suggest the book "The Fifth Risk" by Michael Lewis.

He also wrote "Money Ball"(Oakland Athletics revolutionized baseball), "Flash Boys"(high frequency trading and fibre optics) and "The Big Short" (we all know what THAT was about).

[Paulo Bizarro]

So you admit he never said the virus was a hoax.  Thanks for that.  And if you look he was saying the attempts by  the democrats to go after him over the virus, was the hoax.  You really might want to research what was actually said about all of this instead of reading the fake news about it.  Its just making you look silly.

Silly? Right... this from someone that supports a person that lies as often as he breathes.

[Paulo Bizarro]

Les, I said western export products including Canadian.  So when unemployed Americans stop buying cars, Canadian exports and factories that make autos and auto parts will suffer.  German Mercedes will suffer.  French wines export will suffer when American start drinking cheaper beer or American wines.  CHinese manurfturered products will suffer too.  Unemployed people don;t buy new Nikons, iPhones and whatever.  Foxconn, the Chinese iPhone laner for Apple, lost thousands of jobs already.  Foreigner should pray American take risks and get back to work.  It will be their families that aren't eating as well as Americans. Switching exports to other countries won;t work because those countries workers aren't working either.  We're all going to suffer.

You can always import Portuguese wine, excllent quality and a lot cheaper than French one.

[JoeKitchen]

May 7th, Fauci says Masks are bullshit, in so many words.

[Paulo Bizarro]

Airlines, Boeing, Airbus, and all the thousands of suppliers for new aircraft are in dire straits.  We're not talking about low paying jobs any longer.  Also, what about all the hotels, taxis, travels firms around the world that won't have customers. Disney, African safaris, photographic trips to Antarctica, Africa, New Zealand?  The only reasons the airlines are in trouble is because no one's flying.  If no one's flying, no one's traveling at least long distances meaning all the ancillary services are dead as well.  A few months from now, when we have 40 million unemployed, people are going to be scratching the heads wondering why we shut down economies. 

Delta to retire Boeing 777s as pandemic dims outlook for international travel
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/14/coronavirus-news-delta-to-retire-boeing-777s-seeks-to-burn-zero-cash-by-end-of-2020.html

Here's a picture of a search I did to visit the best hotels in Las Vegas.  Hint: They're not Sold Out.

Assume there was no shutdown/lockdown. Do you think people would still travel as normal, take vacations, use planes and hotels as normal? At the risk of getting infected and die? Or getting infected, don't die, but infect others that could die?

Seems pretty obvious that shutting down for 2 months saved a lot of lives in many countries. Several of them are slowly reopening,in a careful way. Come June 1st, weather permitting, I can go to the beach, travel, and go to restaurants. Actually, restaurants are reopening 18th May, so are schools for some classes. Football returning 4th June, but alas, no public.

Besides, the trumpet already declared that by Q4 and/or 2021, it's going to be a "fantastic, terrific, tremendous" economic recovery. So why are you worried, if the great leader has spoken, has he not allayed your fears?

[James Clark]

What to be concerned about?  They, Biden included, were trying to take down or at least hobble the incoming administration.  And they were leaking the names of those unmasked ( Flynn) as part of that effort.  It appears it was not just the White Hut, but also the Nat Sec and FBI in on the game. 

Whats the difference?  Biden is not in power.  He is a candidate.  Trump was President Elect.  You have an outgoing administration doing its damnest to hobble or destroy the new President.  I dont care if you hate the new guy coming in, he is going to represent America and you should leave your position peacefully. This is scummy shit and I will feel the same way if Trump tires it when his term is over. 

I'm still not following how conducting a legitimate, bipartisan investigation is tantamount to trying to take down the incoming administration.   

The leaking is scummy, but we don't know that Biden had anything to do with that, and we DO know that when given the chance, "Obama's" FBI blatantly publicized the Clinton investigation reopening and pointedly did NOT mention the investigation into the Trump campaign.

I guess my questions is, what should have been done differently?  It's January 2017 and various agencies all know the first three things on the list I gave a few pages ago.  What would have been the non-scandalous way to handle it?

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

WINTER IS COMING —

Whistleblower warns of “darkest winter” if Trump admin ignores science
Blind rush to reopen will worsen COVID-19 spread, Bright tells Congress.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/05/whistleblower-warns-of-darkest-winter-if-trump-admin-ignores-science/

While I am unfortunately no longer leading BARDA, I am an expert in these areas and fully understand the grave risks we are facing. I continue to believe that we must act urgently to effectively combat this deadly disease. Our window of opportunity is closing. If we fail to develop a national coordinated response, based in science, I fear the pandemic will get far worse and be prolonged, causing unprecedented illness and fatalities. While it is terrifying to acknowledge the extent of the challenge that we currently confront, the undeniable fact is there will be a resurgence of the COVID-19 this fall, greatly compounding the challenges of seasonal influenza and putting an unprecedented strain on our health care system. Without clear planning and implementation of the steps that I and other experts have outlined, 2020 will be the darkest winter in modern history.

Other international experts have the same fear for the "Second Wave"in the Fall/Winter season, if it doesn't come earlier.

[chez]

WINTER IS COMING —

Whistleblower warns of “darkest winter” if Trump admin ignores science
Blind rush to reopen will worsen COVID-19 spread, Bright tells Congress.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/05/whistleblower-warns-of-darkest-winter-if-trump-admin-ignores-science/

Other internaltinal experts have the same fear for the "Second Wave"in the Fall/Winter season, if it doesn't come earlier.

First wave is still strong and expanding in areas.

[JoeKitchen]

WINTER IS COMING —

Whistleblower warns of “darkest winter” if Trump admin ignores science
Blind rush to reopen will worsen COVID-19 spread, Bright tells Congress.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/05/whistleblower-warns-of-darkest-winter-if-trump-admin-ignores-science/

Other internaltinal experts have the same fear for the "Second Wave"in the Fall/Winter season, if it doesn't come earlier.

Why do you keep on quoting this guy?  He was caught lying about why he was fired by Politico along with nearly everything that he said being false.  More then likely he did it for the notoriety and fame, and a way to get back at his former employer. 

He has destroyed his credibility. 

[JoeKitchen]

I was listening to an interview with Mike Rowe today and he made an interesting comparison to Londoners during the 1939 bombings.  When Hitler began bombing London, most cowered inside there houses and shelters, which makes perfect sense.  I noted in the past, I'd much rather deal with this virus then shrapnel.

However, after about 3 weeks Londoners started coming out.  They started getting back to the act of living, most just out of being too bored. 

That is what is happening now, life goes on.  If Londoners returned to normal life with nightly bombings, we will simply do the same with this highly survivable virus.