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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3700 on: May 05, 2020, 09:19:37 am »

No it's not. From the article:

Based on the scientific evidence, he also doesn’t entertain an alternate theory—that someone found the coronavirus in the wild, brought it to a lab, and then it accidentally escaped.

Like I said before, it is not Fauci's job to review foreign intelligence, and thank God for that. 

I still believe, given that no wet markets in Wuhan sold bats, this is our best theory right now. 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3701 on: May 05, 2020, 09:38:33 am »

Top US health official contradicts Donald Trump's claim coronavirus was made in a Chinese lab
Anthony Fauci has said that there is no scientific evidence to support claims made by US president
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/top-us-health-official-contradicts-donald-trumps-claim-coronavirus/
Fauci: No scientific evidence the coronavirus was made in a Chinese lab
In an exclusive interview, the face of America’s COVID-19 response cautions against the rush for states to reopen, and offers his tips for handling the pandemic's information deluge.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/05/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd/
Intelligence Community Statement on Origins of COVID-19
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2112-intelligence-community-statement-on-origins-of-covid-19
So why then is Trump trying to divert attention and blame the Chinese?
Is he trying to shift his own responsibility for the poor handling of the epidemic to others?

FAKE NEWS!  Can you guys read a headline and then compare it to the actual story?

Sheesh.  Show me where Trump said the virus was Manufactured/Made in the Wuhan lab.  God help us from the idiot press and those who believe them.
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« Reply #3702 on: May 05, 2020, 09:47:54 am »

Something's not right. Pompeo says there is 'enormous evidence' that the virus came from a Chinese lab. Fauci says there is none.

I'd love to see this evidence. Everyone else says it evolved from animals. Who to believe?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3703 on: May 05, 2020, 09:49:28 am »

FAKE NEWS!  Can you guys read a headline and then compare it to the actual story?

Sheesh.  Show me where Trump said the virus was Manufactured/Made in the Wuhan lab.  God help us from the idiot press and those who believe them.
https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/newsfeed/2020/05/trump-claims-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-200504121203518.html
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« Reply #3704 on: May 05, 2020, 09:52:03 am »

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/newsfeed/2020/05/trump-claims-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-200504121203518.html

Nowhere in that article did Trump say it was MADE in the lab.  Made being the key word in Craig's post. 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3705 on: May 05, 2020, 09:52:20 am »

Fake news by the press is one thing fake news ( alternative facts) by the government another.

We've come to expect nothing else from the existing government. Fake news and lies.
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« Reply #3706 on: May 05, 2020, 09:53:42 am »

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/newsfeed/2020/05/trump-claims-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-200504121203518.html

Thank you for proving my point.

Did you actually read the article you posted?  Nowhere did Trump claim the virus was manufactured/made in the lab.  Wanna try again?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3707 on: May 05, 2020, 09:54:07 am »

We've come to expect nothing else from the existing government. Fake news and lies.

And you are getting duped by the lying press.  Imagine that.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3708 on: May 05, 2020, 10:00:05 am »



So I would suspect that Pompeo is dealing a lot more with foreign intelligence then Fauci, which is a good thing.  We dont need MDs deciding foreign policy.

Right.  We need bad CEOs who play successful CEOs on reality TV deciding foreign policy.

JFC  ::)
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3709 on: May 05, 2020, 10:03:50 am »

Thank you for proving my point.

Did you actually read the article you posted?  Nowhere did Trump claim the virus was manufactured/made in the lab.  Wanna try again?

Trump claimed that the virus came from the Wuhan lab.

The idea that the virus was engineered by the lab has been dismissed by just about everyone.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3710 on: May 05, 2020, 10:04:52 am »

That may or may not be true, but it is completely unrelated to the point of the article that hospitals are strongly incentivized to report something as a C19 death.

It's weird that you have such faith in the fairness of the free market and a lack of need for regulation and oversight, yet assume that doctors  would be juicing numbers so their administrators can get a slice of that yummy COVID pie.

Let me put it another way - why would you assume that doctors are more corrupt in their dealings with funding than you would any other capitalist, and if you *don't* assume that, why are you so against regulatory oversight?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3711 on: May 05, 2020, 10:11:40 am »

Thank you for proving my point.

Did you actually read the article you posted?  Nowhere did Trump claim the virus was manufactured/made in the lab.  Wanna try again?

Never said so- still would like to see this ... EVIDENCE... that it came from the lab..

This so secred ...EVICENCE... that may not be revealed... but may be used for accusations nevertheless.

come again indeed.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3712 on: May 05, 2020, 10:54:01 am »

Good news for Joe, Craig, Alan, Slobodan etc.

Trump gives up on virus fight to focus on economic recovery – and re-election:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/05/donald-trump-coronavirus-economic-recovery

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3713 on: May 05, 2020, 10:59:49 am »

Gentleman: I have here in my briefcase a list of names...
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3714 on: May 05, 2020, 11:13:55 am »

Good news for Joe, Craig, Alan, Slobodan etc.

Trump gives up on virus fight to focus on economic recovery – and re-election:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/05/donald-trump-coronavirus-economic-recovery

Another hit piece, what a surprise.

Maybe the media would do itself a favor to not paint everything on whether Trump said it so it means it is bad.  Bill Maher even had a good piece on this over the weekend and how the press is discrediting themselves throughout all of this. 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3715 on: May 05, 2020, 11:42:30 am »

Source please. 

Did Fauci actually say this, or did he say he has not seen any, which a very big difference. 

Fauci is in charge of handling the pandemic in this country and coordinating response.  He is not in charge of dealing with foriegn states and looking at intelligence information as it pertains to foreign affairs like, say, the secretary of state is.

So I would suspect that Pompeo is dealing a lot more with foreign intelligence then Fauci, which is a good thing.  We dont need MDs deciding foreign policy.

Right! We need unhinged people with an agenda deciding where the virus originated.
Humor me, how do you determine where the virus came from? Hint, it’s virology and epidemiology, aka science and not which version suits your interests best. I get it that’s appealing but it’s not evidence.
Pompeo just threw a squirrel to divert attention from the mounting problems internally. He shouldn’t have bothered, Republican base will believe anything Trump says anyway while the Democrat base won’t believe anything Trump says anyway.


PS. I don’t watch/follow Maher but I know of him. For devote Republicans to quote him to prove their points it’s quite precious

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3716 on: May 05, 2020, 11:46:54 am »

It's weird that you have such faith in the fairness of the free market and a lack of need for regulation and oversight, yet assume that doctors  would be juicing numbers so their administrators can get a slice of that yummy COVID pie.

Let me put it another way - why would you assume that doctors are more corrupt in their dealings with funding than you would any other capitalist, and if you *don't* assume that, why are you so against regulatory oversight?

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3717 on: May 05, 2020, 11:49:30 am »

Good news for Joe, Craig, Alan, Slobodan etc.

Trump gives up on virus fight to focus on economic recovery – and re-election:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/05/donald-trump-coronavirus-economic-recovery

Gottta love those who are sucked into fake news...

Opening statement from the article:

"Donald Trump is effectively abandoning a public health strategy for the coronavirus pandemic and showing “clear willingness to trade lives for the Dow Jones”, critics say."

Gotta love it!
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3718 on: May 05, 2020, 11:53:06 am »

Never said so- still would like to see this ... EVIDENCE... that it came from the lab..

This so secred ...EVICENCE... that may not be revealed... but may be used for accusations nevertheless.

come again indeed.

Oh geeze. I asked if anyone could show us where Trump said the virus was manufactured/made in Wuahn lab.  You posted that lame article to show us he did.  The article you posted proved you wrong.  You screwed the pooch.  Wanna try again?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3719 on: May 05, 2020, 12:02:27 pm »

It's weird that you have such faith in the fairness of the free market and a lack of need for regulation and oversight, yet assume that doctors  would be juicing numbers so their administrators can get a slice of that yummy COVID pie.

Let me put it another way - why would you assume that doctors are more corrupt in their dealings with funding than you would any other capitalist, and if you *don't* assume that, why are you so against regulatory oversight?

You need to get out of that quarantine, pronto! Some fresh air, sunshine, grand vistas should clear you mind ;)
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