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Craig Lamson

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7540 on: October 11, 2020, 09:01:28 am »

Guessing that ‘packing’ in this instance means ‘increasing the size‘ of SCOTUS.

Why wouldn’t Biden or any other Prezzy want to increase the number of judges ?
The supreme court is the highest law of the land, apolitical*, not the political wing of a President so clearly gaming the system. Take a leaf out of the British Supreme Court:

> 11 judges appointed from within the judiciary
> tenure, age limited with retirement at 75

So again, why wouldn’t you ?

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* at least meant to be apolitical and free of religious bias.

Well 9 judges has been quite fine since 1869, and the only reason to "pack it" is to create a political rubber stamp for whatever party does it. 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7541 on: October 11, 2020, 10:25:36 am »

Guessing that ‘packing’ in this instance means ‘increasing the size‘ of SCOTUS.

Why wouldn’t Biden or any other Prezzy want to increase the number of judges ?
The supreme court is the highest law of the land, apolitical*, not the political wing of a President so clearly gaming the system. Take a leaf out of the British Supreme Court:

> 11 judges appointed from within the judiciary
> tenure, age limited with retirement at 75

So again, why wouldn’t you ?

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* at least meant to be apolitical and free of religious bias.
I don't have a problem with a retirement age.  But as I explained previously, if the court is packed to swing it's decisions one way or the other, they'll politicize it.  It's already politicized enough over the last 20-30 years.   But with packing, which was rejected once before in the 1930's, people will lose total confidence in its fairness worse than it is.  There's a good possibility that some of its decisions will be ignored which will increase government power and loss of people's liberties. The whole legal system could break down.

The court has no power to enforce its rulings.  It depends on the good will and respect people have for our constitution and laws and the Supreme Court itself. 

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7542 on: October 11, 2020, 10:40:21 am »

Here's an example if the court is packed.  Let's say a state's rights case comes up.  The Supreme Court is the court that has to finalize disagreements between the Federal government and the states.  These are state sovereign issues.  The court is packed by the Democrats.  But the issue comes from a more Republican state, let's say Wyoming.  The Supreme Court rules against the state.  Wyoming complains that the packing of the court caused them to rule against them and they refuse to honor the decision and continue to do what they want.  That now puts the Federal government in direct conflict with that state, just like our own Civil War of 1861 when the south thumbed their nose at the north. 

What is the federal government going to do?  Invade Wyoming? Wyoming's governor calls up its military reserves and constripts its residents with their guns preserved under the 2nd Amendment to defend the state.  They put militia at their border and tells the Federal government to stay out.  Is a president going to use Federal forces to invade Wyoming to force the Supreme Court's judgment?  That would only work if the court's decisions are respected.  But that's gone.  No one respects it anymore.  South Dakota sends its militia to Wyoming to help its neighbor.  The president decides to back off, even a Democrat one, much less a Republican president.  The court's ruling has no weight.  Everyone laughs at it.  The court is destroyed because of the packing.

Now imagine if a packed court reverses earlier court decisions regarding the 2nd Amendment and the right o bare arms.  Do you thinks millions of Americans are going to turn in their guns?  How many governors will just ignore the ruling just like states have ignored Federal marijuana laws. We'll become a nation of men not of law.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7543 on: October 11, 2020, 10:45:13 am »

By the way, I put the part in there about the 2nd Amendment and the state calling up its residents as a militia to defend the state to shows why the purpose of the amendment was needed to preserve freedom of the state against an overbearing federal government.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7544 on: October 11, 2020, 11:19:27 am »

You forgot the part where the aliens land and conquer Idaho.
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« Reply #7545 on: October 11, 2020, 11:20:48 am »

You forgot the part where the aliens land and conquer Idaho.
That's why they need guns.  :)

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« Reply #7546 on: October 11, 2020, 11:23:54 am »

That's why they need guns.  :)

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7547 on: October 11, 2020, 11:27:43 am »

I think the Union is more likely to survive with a couple of more justices on the Supreme Court than four more years of Trump. If he is elected again, he is going to have to ram through an infrastructure bill or there are not going to be enough bridges for everybody to jump off of.
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« Reply #7548 on: October 11, 2020, 11:35:17 am »

I think the Union is more likely to survive with a couple of more justices on the Supreme Court than four more years of Trump. If he is elected again, he is going to have to ram through an infrastructure bill or there are not going to be enough bridges for everybody to jump off of.
There's no money left for anyone to spend.  Of course, they'll keep printing and our Social Security and pensions won't be worth anything by the time they're through.  Trump is no good in that area either, but the Dems will be worse. Whoever wins, is going to have a terrible economy in 2021, around the world. Except maybe the Chinese.

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« Reply #7549 on: October 11, 2020, 11:41:22 am »

How does nonexistent legislation to alter the size of the Supreme Court or the 2nd Amendment relate to Covid-19 exactly?
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« Reply #7550 on: October 11, 2020, 11:51:55 am »

How does nonexistent legislation to alter the size of the Supreme Court or the 2nd Amendment relate to Covid-19 exactly?

I think it was the deflection from Trump not telling us when he last tested negative to Biden not telling us if he planned to pack the court. Things will come back around when Trump challenges the FDA's vaccine approval regimen, and South Dakota calls out its militia to prevent federal forces from distributing it. We are still struggling with what to do with the aliens in Idaho.
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« Reply #7551 on: October 11, 2020, 12:04:44 pm »

Thanks. I was afraid I had missed some news that Trump now had a plan for shooting the virus.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7552 on: October 11, 2020, 12:43:38 pm »

How does nonexistent legislation to alter the size of the Supreme Court or the 2nd Amendment relate to Covid-19 exactly?
Well,  this is good news.  I was looking forward to getting invited to the White House after Trump wins the election.  I wonder if I'll need a mask?  :)

Covid-19 Live Updates: White House Doctor Says Trump Is No Longer Infectious
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/11/world/covid-coronavirus

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7553 on: October 11, 2020, 02:50:32 pm »

It turns out we are back on subject sooner than I thought, and the COVID news is earth shattering. Eric Trump, the son the President likes least, but who has been pretty successful losing money hand over fist for the Trump Organization while his father has been in the White House, shared that, just like Trump said would happen, we have a vaccine ready before the election. He said:

"My father literally started day one creating this vaccine. He worked to push this vaccine and now my father just took it! And you see how well he got over it and I think it’s an inspiration. As Americans, we should be very proud of that.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eric-trump-donald-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19-b965172.html

What was astounding was learning that The Peter Principal applies, in some cases, in your first job.
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« Reply #7554 on: October 11, 2020, 03:36:49 pm »

It turns out we are back on subject sooner than I thought, and the COVID news is earth shattering. Eric Trump, the son the President likes least, but who has been pretty successful losing money hand over fist for the Trump Organization while his father has been in the White House, shared that, just like Trump said would happen, we have a vaccine ready before the election. He said:

"My father literally started day one creating this vaccine. He worked to push this vaccine and now my father just took it! And you see how well he got over it and I think it’s an inspiration. As Americans, we should be very proud of that.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eric-trump-donald-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19-b965172.html

What was astounding was learning that The Peter Principal applies, in some cases, in your first job.

It's a grift, right? Nobody is that clued out.
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« Reply #7555 on: October 11, 2020, 03:56:08 pm »

It's a grift, right? Nobody is that clued out.

No. Eric Trump is that clued out. Imbecility runs in the family.
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« Reply #7556 on: October 11, 2020, 06:05:53 pm »

Still awaiting a response from <insert usual suspects here> on why the WH refuses to release what is obviously very important information.

 ie Trump's time and date of infection.  They're oh-so-willing to announce his recovery, but not his infection.  This has serious ramifications for all who were near the president.
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« Reply #7557 on: October 11, 2020, 06:09:41 pm »

Eric Trump:

"My father literally started day one creating this vaccine..."

And it's said that one shouldn't disrespect one's audience...
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7558 on: October 11, 2020, 06:19:30 pm »

I get them confused. Is Eric the dumber one?
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« Reply #7559 on: October 11, 2020, 06:48:45 pm »

I get them confused. Is Eric the dumber one?

Yeh...dumb and dumber...take your pick.
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