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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3780 on: May 05, 2020, 08:20:15 pm »

The face of an American fascist. A Democrat.

Democrats: letting dangerous criminals out of jail, so that they jail single moms trying to feed their children.

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« Reply #3781 on: May 05, 2020, 08:51:25 pm »

Many of these professionals would like to get away from their wives and return to work, but it's their associations who ordered their members to suspend their services.
Well, the guys at the associations who cancelled them probably aren't married.

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« Reply #3782 on: May 05, 2020, 08:57:10 pm »

I don't think that the medical labs are very busy now, people are staying at home. As a matter of fact, in Ontario, several labs have been temporarily closed due to lack of work.
It may also well be that since people are staying home, there are fewer car, sport or bar-fight related accidents. There may be more domestic fights or mental breakdowns though.

A few days ago, I had a CT scan done in my local hospital, and the hospital looked completely deserted, at least the central building with the main entrance and main hallways. I have never seen it that empty.
I think that a lot of people who ran to doctors every time they sneezed no longer do it.  Somehow they're surviving.  Much of the high cost of medical care is because everyone has health care and government care that pays for the visits, the equipment, the test, the CT scans, the MRI's, etc etc. .  If they allowed people to actually pay personally for medical insurance, people would cut back on a lot of visits just to lower their premiums. The cost for medical care in the country would go down.  People would get better without having to go to doctors.  I'm not suggesting that people don;t need care.  It;s just that they go and go and go because it's for "free".

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« Reply #3783 on: May 05, 2020, 08:57:22 pm »

The difference is that for condom to be effective you have to wear only for the critical five minutes.

Five minutes? 😎
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3784 on: May 05, 2020, 08:58:55 pm »

Five minutes? 😎
Coitus interruptus.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3785 on: May 05, 2020, 09:02:40 pm »

The fact is that I could pass along the regular flu onto a vulnerable person by pure happenstance, and that flu could cause them to die.  Does that make me guilty of something, no it does not.  Just like if I pass along C-19 onto another person who then dies does not make me guilty of anything either. 

In the case of Covid19 you are fully aware of the risks and consequences for others.

Like it or not, you will be fully responsible for the death of a person who would have gotten it from you.

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« Reply #3786 on: May 05, 2020, 09:55:16 pm »

In the case of Covid19 you are fully aware of the risks and consequences for others.

Like it or not, you will be fully responsible for the death of a person who would have gotten it from you.

Cheers,
Bernard

I'm 75 with dangerous comorbidities.  So I stay home. I avoid crowds and kissing my neighbors.  What responsibility do I have to remain safe and not place myself in dangerous situations?  Don't other younger people with young families have a right to go out and earn a living to feed their families.  By the way, what do you do to feed your family?  Are you working?  Or are you independently wealthy?  How do you intend to get by if this goes on any longer? Will you sacrifice your children?  Your wife?

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« Reply #3787 on: May 05, 2020, 11:04:05 pm »

From today's Washington Post, an engaging column from Dana Milbank:




Allow me to share some frank thoughts about the president:

The orangutan in the White House is less refined than a savage. He is a fool, an irresolute, vacillating imbecile. He is an idiot, of low intellectual capacity. He is a barbarian, a yahoo, a gorilla — the original gorilla — and an unshapely man. He is horrid-looking, a scoundrel, a creature fit, evidently, for petty treasons.

He is dishonest. He is unjust. He has no principle, no respect for law. In his administrative madness, on his unconstitutional crusade, he uses the power of government to crush. His presidency is despotism, a dictatorship, a monstrous usurpation, a criminal wrong and an act of national suicide.

The American people are in no mood to reelect a man to the highest office whose daily language is indecent. His speech is coarse, colloquial, devoid of ease and grace, and bristling with outrages against the simplest rules of syntax. His silly remarks are flat and dishwatery utterances. It wouldn’t be easy to produce anything more dull and commonplace — awkwardly expressed and slipshod, so loose-jointed, so puerile.
 
Lacking in dignity or patriotism, his words would have caused a Washington to mourn and would have inspired a Jefferson, Madison or Jackson with contempt.

A leader of incapacity and rottenness, he has taken us on a wicked and hazardous experiment. He lacks practical talent and capacity for government. He is an old joker. He is weak as water, a man of canting hypocrisy. He sickens us. If he is reelected I shall immediately leave the country.

The administration thus far has not met public expectations. He has brought on us national humiliation, leaving the cheek of every American to tingle with shame. After four years of usurpation, of lawless, reckless misgovernment, he should be removed from office.

He is ultimately to be classed among the catalog of monsters, of foolish and incompetent kings and emperors. He will go down as the man who could not read the signs of the times, who couldn’t understand the circumstances and interests of his country, who failed without excuses and fell without a friend.

At this point, I should mention that the president these words refer to is Abraham Lincoln. They are examples of contemporaneous criticism of the Great Emancipator from the newspapers of the day…<big snip>


I thought you all would like to know.  8-)

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3788 on: May 05, 2020, 11:26:24 pm »

I heard rumours that Trump is looking for a suitable mountain in South Dakota and an accomplished sculptor who would immortalize him in the Rushmore National Memorial style.
Under consideration to join him on the said mountain are the freedom fighter Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Jared Kushner. A smaller facing mountain would accommodate the First Lady, Ivanka Trump and Kellyane Conway. 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3789 on: May 06, 2020, 03:48:51 am »

I'm 75 with dangerous comorbidities.  So I stay home. I avoid crowds and kissing my neighbors.  What responsibility do I have to remain safe and not place myself in dangerous situations?  Don't other younger people with young families have a right to go out and earn a living to feed their families.  By the way, what do you do to feed your family?  Are you working?  Or are you independently wealthy?  How do you intend to get by if this goes on any longer? Will you sacrifice your children?  Your wife?

I work for a company that is trying to help. I am in fact even busier than usual.

I am fully aware about the economic impacts and I know that it's tough for many people. As discussed before, more tough that it should have been had the right measures been taken timely.

But it doesn't remove any responsibility from those who would cause the death of others around them by not being careful enough. Does it mean they cannot work? I don't think it does for many people, starting for the many who can work remotely. For those that cannot, I sure hope that proper solidarity will be deployed to help them help the collectivity without endangering them.

Does it mean they should avoid meeting elderly people? It certainly does mean that.

Regards,
Bernard

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3790 on: May 06, 2020, 05:12:56 am »

Let's do a victory lap. Job well done. Projected over 100,000 dead and economy in the sewer...medals for everyone.

What a crock of shit.

Indeed... looking at yesterday's data on the average of the last 7 days, many countries are already on the descending phase of the curve, hence are opening up in a slow and phased manner. Except the USA, who are still on a (very high) plateau, top curve.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3791 on: May 06, 2020, 05:50:17 am »

Indeed... looking at yesterday's data on the average of the last 7 days, many countries are already on the descending phase of the curve, hence are opening up in a slow and phased manner. Except the USA, who are still on a (very high) plateau, top curve.

Posting a chart without a legend is not very helpful.

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« Reply #3792 on: May 06, 2020, 06:13:55 am »

Right. If I really want to stretch it I'm sure those percentages are accurate in the right scenario, but that's not the point. But you like stretching the point when it serves your narratives without thinking it through, because you don't really care what the other is trying to say.

Btw, I'm still waiting on your great dissertation on this, after stretching that point for a couple of pages:

I'm still waiting to hear how long you are for the "hope strategy," aka the "pray to God strategy," that a treatment will be developed until you approve of something else. 

No guarantee will get any kind of serious treatment. 
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« Reply #3793 on: May 06, 2020, 06:25:34 am »

In the case of Covid19 you are fully aware of the risks and consequences for others.

Like it or not, you will be fully responsible for the death of a person who would have gotten it from you.

Cheers,
Bernard

No!  The death rate is only marginally higher then flu; it is just hitting all at once.  With that mentality, you would be guilty if the flu passed onto someone kill them, which is ludicrous. 

As I said before, this is not Ebola, this is not Marburg Fever, this is not Rabies with out a treatment. 
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« Reply #3794 on: May 06, 2020, 06:27:55 am »

From today's Washington Post, an engaging column from Dana Milbank:




Allow me to share some frank thoughts about the president:

The orangutan in the White House is less refined than a savage. He is a fool, an irresolute, vacillating imbecile. He is an idiot, of low intellectual capacity. He is a barbarian, a yahoo, a gorilla — the original gorilla — and an unshapely man. He is horrid-looking, a scoundrel, a creature fit, evidently, for petty treasons.

He is dishonest. He is unjust. He has no principle, no respect for law. In his administrative madness, on his unconstitutional crusade, he uses the power of government to crush. His presidency is despotism, a dictatorship, a monstrous usurpation, a criminal wrong and an act of national suicide.

The American people are in no mood to reelect a man to the highest office whose daily language is indecent. His speech is coarse, colloquial, devoid of ease and grace, and bristling with outrages against the simplest rules of syntax. His silly remarks are flat and dishwatery utterances. It wouldn’t be easy to produce anything more dull and commonplace — awkwardly expressed and slipshod, so loose-jointed, so puerile.
 
Lacking in dignity or patriotism, his words would have caused a Washington to mourn and would have inspired a Jefferson, Madison or Jackson with contempt.

A leader of incapacity and rottenness, he has taken us on a wicked and hazardous experiment. He lacks practical talent and capacity for government. He is an old joker. He is weak as water, a man of canting hypocrisy. He sickens us. If he is reelected I shall immediately leave the country.

The administration thus far has not met public expectations. He has brought on us national humiliation, leaving the cheek of every American to tingle with shame. After four years of usurpation, of lawless, reckless misgovernment, he should be removed from office.

He is ultimately to be classed among the catalog of monsters, of foolish and incompetent kings and emperors. He will go down as the man who could not read the signs of the times, who couldn’t understand the circumstances and interests of his country, who failed without excuses and fell without a friend.

At this point, I should mention that the president these words refer to is Abraham Lincoln. They are examples of contemporaneous criticism of the Great Emancipator from the newspapers of the day…<big snip>


I thought you all would like to know.  8-)

So even back in Abe's time, the press was totally disconnected from the people and extremely biased.  Interesting. 
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« Reply #3795 on: May 06, 2020, 07:49:38 am »

No!  The death rate is only marginally higher then flu; it is just hitting all at once.  With that mentality, you would be guilty if the flu passed onto someone kill them, which is ludicrous. 

As I said before, this is not Ebola, this is not Marburg Fever, this is not Rabies with out a treatment.

The death rate is very high for infected people above 65 with already some health problems- like obesitas and lung problems. Many obesitas in the US
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« Reply #3796 on: May 06, 2020, 08:14:22 am »

The death rate is very high for infected people above 65 with already some health problems- like obesitas and lung problems. Many obesitas in the US

Yes, that is true.  50% of the deaths in the USA happened in retirement homes.  So (if Cuomo had not put in that stupid rule saying nursing homes need to accept back those who test positive) we could protect those most vulnerable by putting in reasonable measures while at the same time not destroying the economy. 

This is what FL is doing actually.  They are going out of their way to protect nursing homes, creating mobile testing center to clear people to enter.  The governor even wants to extend testing to family members so they can be cleared to visit loved ones and the quality of life if not hit too hard. 

Amazing right, a politician talking about quality of life in these times.  I feel like some on here would be okay with you being locked down in a shed with only a bucket to shit in so long as you did not catch the big bad C-19. 

I'd rather take my chances with Ebola then live the life some on here want you to live during this. 
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« Reply #3797 on: May 06, 2020, 08:25:09 am »

No!  The death rate is only marginally higher then flu; it is just hitting all at once.  With that mentality, you would be guilty if the flu passed onto someone kill them, which is ludicrous. 

As I said before, this is not Ebola, this is not Marburg Fever, this is not Rabies with out a treatment.

Joe, what is the death numbers from the flu in the US? Those figures you see tossed around are estimates by the CDC. Like I said before, dealing with a full care home for the last 5 years, I do not recall a death from the flu. I've heard doctors say the same, no deaths caused by the flu.

So I'm really not sure anyone really knows how many deaths are caused by the flu.
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« Reply #3798 on: May 06, 2020, 08:33:00 am »

Joe, what is the death numbers from the flu in the US? Those figures you see tossed around are estimates by the CDC. Like I said before, dealing with a full care home for the last 5 years, I do not recall a death from the flu. I've heard doctors say the same, no deaths caused by the flu.

So I'm really not sure anyone really knows how many deaths are caused by the flu.

I have no idea what you are getting at with the flu deaths reference above other then maybe no deaths are directly caused by the flu?  It is always caused by another complication?  If that  is the case, you can say the same for C-19.  The deaths are always caused by another complication, if you really want to get technical. 

However, like I said before, this is a flu that is hitting all at once.  The fatality rate is only marginally higher then the flu, but it is just everyone is getting it.  That fact that everyone is getting it is why we are experiencing all of the death, but nonetheless it is a flu.

What I will not accept is the idea that we need to stay locked down and hope a vaccine is found.  That is not a strategy nor scientific.  We may never get a vaccine. 

I am glad Trump is finally pushing the medical experts aside and starting to listen to economic experts more.  It is about time we put in place an actual strategy then let's hope for the best. 
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« Reply #3799 on: May 06, 2020, 08:46:48 am »

From today's Washington Post, an engaging column from Dana Milbank:




Allow me to share some frank thoughts about the president:

The orangutan in the White House is less refined than a savage. He is a fool, an irresolute, vacillating imbecile. He is an idiot, of low intellectual capacity. He is a barbarian, a yahoo, a gorilla — the original gorilla — and an unshapely man. He is horrid-looking, a scoundrel, a creature fit, evidently, for petty treasons.

He is dishonest. He is unjust. He has no principle, no respect for law. In his administrative madness, on his unconstitutional crusade, he uses the power of government to crush. His presidency is despotism, a dictatorship, a monstrous usurpation, a criminal wrong and an act of national suicide.

The American people are in no mood to reelect a man to the highest office whose daily language is indecent. His speech is coarse, colloquial, devoid of ease and grace, and bristling with outrages against the simplest rules of syntax. His silly remarks are flat and dishwatery utterances. It wouldn’t be easy to produce anything more dull and commonplace — awkwardly expressed and slipshod, so loose-jointed, so puerile.
 
Lacking in dignity or patriotism, his words would have caused a Washington to mourn and would have inspired a Jefferson, Madison or Jackson with contempt.

A leader of incapacity and rottenness, he has taken us on a wicked and hazardous experiment. He lacks practical talent and capacity for government. He is an old joker. He is weak as water, a man of canting hypocrisy. He sickens us. If he is reelected I shall immediately leave the country.

The administration thus far has not met public expectations. He has brought on us national humiliation, leaving the cheek of every American to tingle with shame. After four years of usurpation, of lawless, reckless misgovernment, he should be removed from office.

He is ultimately to be classed among the catalog of monsters, of foolish and incompetent kings and emperors. He will go down as the man who could not read the signs of the times, who couldn’t understand the circumstances and interests of his country, who failed without excuses and fell without a friend.

At this point, I should mention that the president these words refer to is Abraham Lincoln. They are examples of contemporaneous criticism of the Great Emancipator from the newspapers of the day…<big snip>


I thought you all would like to know.  8-)

and then they killed him....
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