Pages: 1 ... 146 147 [148] 149 150 ... 400   Go Down

Author Topic: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political  (Read 286133 times)

JoeKitchen

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5056
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2940 on: April 27, 2020, 03:57:59 pm »

You seem to be assuming the Dems don't think Biden will win. The whole reason he won the primaries was the assumption that he CAN win, and I think it's a good assumption. He's leading in Florida, and Trump can't win without Florida. He's leading in Pennsylvania (where he was born) and in Michigan, and if he wins those two, even without Florida, he wins, as long as he holds Minnesota, where he's leading by 10 points. He's almost certain to win the actual vote count, because he'll win the Blue states by huge margins, while, if Trump wins, it'll be purely on the basis of the Electoral College, and he'll win the critical states there by small margins. So, even if he wins, which I think is unlikely but possible, Trump will again be an illegitimate President, the choice of a minority of Americans.

Were you asleep during the primary, because that is not what happened. 

The Dems were looking for someone, anyone, that could beat Trump, and pretty early on the Dems realized that was not Biden, which is why he did so bad at the start. 

Unfortunately for the Dems, he still did good enough to not drop out, but he was still doing pretty piss poor.  The whole democratic vision in the beginning was that Bloomberg was going to come and save the day, but he totally flopped at the debates.  This then lead Bernie to shoot up and every one have an "oh shit" moment.  Remember Chris Matthews (who I actually respect even though he believes in the opposite of what I feel and should not have been forced out) warning the party about this?  This then caused the party to look around at who was left and somewhat electable, and in a panic, they went with Biden, overlooking their best shot, Klobuchar. 

If Klobuchar had won, I would seriously be reconsidering my vote right now along with plenty of other Trump supporters I know. 

This is why Biden got it, plan and simple.  He was the result of a panic choice, from all of the stablished Dems to quickly endorse whom ever they could, to keep Bernie from getting it.  You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. 

But now the party has a huge problem on its hand, Biden's further cognitive deterioration.  He is getting worse and worse as the days go on.  He is getting all of the rest he needs, but he still cant be on the cuff in his pod cast.  He cant read off of a prewritten teleprompter either.  They even tried to mix both in and he cant do it.  His "fire side" chats have been a total fail, which you can see by just reading the faces of the people his is interviewing going into total despair. 

The last podcast his campaigned released this weekend was of his wife talking for him and why he would be a good president while Biden stood there, not saying a word, just smiling and nodding. 

That is not the look of a president.  If I was a party leader, I would be looking for some way to replace Biden. 

Insofar as the polling, Hillary had a lead twice what Biden's are now in all of the swing states at this point in the 2016 election.  I also feel a sizable amount of those being polled lie due to the belief that they will be negatively recorded in some list somewhere or to just screw with pollsters (which has been documented to be the case amongst conservatives). 

You guys have a big problem on your hands, and you brought onto yourself.  Even my mother, a huge anti-Trump Dem, just does not think Biden is capable of being president given his cognitive decline. 

You should have picked Klobuchar!  She was the only candidate without baggage who was nearest the center.  Not to mention she is the closest version of Trump the Dems have, a total bull dog politician.  She did not knee cap Buttigieg at the last debate; she ripped off his legs and beat him to death with them.  This is why I feel she is the best VP choice, because she cant really take it to Trump. 

FYI, another thing to consider, Dems like young candidates.  Dems have always went with a younger person when it was younger vs. old (on the other ticket).  With old vs old, the republicans tend to have the advantage.  It's an interesting observation in politics I recently read about. 
« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 04:19:29 pm by JoeKitchen »
Logged
"Photography is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent

William Walker

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1169
    • William Walker Landscapes
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2941 on: April 27, 2020, 04:02:15 pm »

I was out taking pics last week Chez, without a mask. 

I'm not driving to Harisburg, shit town USA.  When a protest happens in Philly, I'll be there.
Here you are Joe - these guys are on the same "density" page as you. I'm not sure you can trust it though....(fake news outlet).

"Take Philadelphia, for example, which last week was averaging nearly 400 SARS-CoV-2 cases daily, eclipsing 750 per 100,000 people since their outbreak began. Our models suggest that if we try to reopen this, our home city, in early May, the virus would storm back. In contrast, our less densely populated state capital, Harrisburg, two hours to the west, has had only 492 SARS-CoV-2 cases in total. If Harrisburg reopens in May, the virus’s spread could fizzle out as soon as June if the community adds workplace safety measures and maintains more moderate social distancing."

https://nyti.ms/2W2NHG5
Logged
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." Christopher Hitchens

JoeKitchen

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5056
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2942 on: April 27, 2020, 04:07:10 pm »

Here you are Joe - these guys are on the same "density" page as you. I'm not sure you can trust it though....(fake news outlet).

"Take Philadelphia, for example, which last week was averaging nearly 400 SARS-CoV-2 cases daily, eclipsing 750 per 100,000 people since their outbreak began. Our models suggest that if we try to reopen this, our home city, in early May, the virus would storm back. In contrast, our less densely populated state capital, Harrisburg, two hours to the west, has had only 492 SARS-CoV-2 cases in total. If Harrisburg reopens in May, the virus’s spread could fizzle out as soon as June if the community adds workplace safety measures and maintains more moderate social distancing."

https://nyti.ms/2W2NHG5

Harrisburg is a shit town you could piss over if you have to go bad enough.  It is not like Philly, or Pittsburgh.  It may have a similar density, but that would because you only look at the city and not the surrounding metro area.  The total greater Philadelphia area, suburbs and all, has a much high density then the greater Harrisburg area. 

I still cant figure out why that ever became the state capital. 

PS, the population density of Harrisburg is actually a little more then half of Philly.  Public transportation is significantly less too.  My brother, who lives there, always complains about it compared to Philly, which is pretty bad too compared to NYC. 
Logged
"Photography is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent

William Walker

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1169
    • William Walker Landscapes
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2943 on: April 27, 2020, 04:16:29 pm »

Here you are Joe - these guys are on the same "density" page as you. I'm not sure you can trust it though....(fake news outlet).

"Take Philadelphia, for example, which last week was averaging nearly 400 SARS-CoV-2 cases daily, eclipsing 750 per 100,000 people since their outbreak began. Our models suggest that if we try to reopen this, our home city, in early May, the virus would storm back. In contrast, our less densely populated state capital, Harrisburg, two hours to the west, has had only 492 SARS-CoV-2 cases in total. If Harrisburg reopens in May, the virus’s spread could fizzle out as soon as June if the community adds workplace safety measures and maintains more moderate social distancing."

https://nyti.ms/2W2NHG5

This article also re-enforces the idea that "(T)he relationship between the amount of virus to which one is initially exposed and the severity of the illness is found in most infectious diseases."
Logged
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." Christopher Hitchens

JoeKitchen

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5056
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2944 on: April 27, 2020, 04:22:28 pm »

This article also re-enforces the idea that "(T)he relationship between the amount of virus to which one is initially exposed and the severity of the illness is found in most infectious diseases."

William, I have read a good deal on this, and I still think we will all be playing Sweden, soon enough. 

Like I said, no vaccine is going to come soon enough to save us.  We will need to reenter the world an just deal with it. 

I really wish the reporters reporting on this would ask good questions instead of the "let's make Trump look bad" and "lets make Dems look good."  I want to hear, what  do we do if a treatment never becomes available?  Do we just stay locked down forever? 

I think that will really move the conversation forward.  It will happen soon though, especially if a second wave comes.
Logged
"Photography is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent

chez

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2501
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2945 on: April 27, 2020, 04:41:29 pm »

I think you agreed with me.  :)

I'm not even sure you agree with yourself from one post to the next. Bottom line the shortage of pork and other meats is not a distribution problem nor is it caused by the lock down. It's a direct consequence of working during the time the virus is still running rampant...which could happen to any business if things open up too soon and people don't obey the distancing rules.
Logged

John Camp

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2171
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2946 on: April 27, 2020, 04:50:54 pm »

I'm not even sure you agree with yourself from one post to the next. Bottom line the shortage of pork and other meats is not a distribution problem nor is it caused by the lock down. It's a direct consequence of working during the time the virus is still running rampant...which could happen to any business if things open up too soon and people don't obey the distancing rules.

+1
Logged

faberryman

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4851
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2947 on: April 27, 2020, 05:15:59 pm »

Just when you thought things could not get any weirder, the Pentagon today released three videos of UFOs. The President will give some virus related remarks from the Rose Garden at 5:15pm EST today, and will take some questions from the press. The scuttlebutt is Jim Acosta is going to ask Trump if he believes in aliens.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/politics/pentagon-ufo-videos/index.html
« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 05:22:19 pm by faberryman »
Logged

chez

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2501
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2948 on: April 27, 2020, 05:25:28 pm »

Just when you thought things could not get any weirder, the Pentagon today released three videos of UFOs. The President will give some virus related remarks from the Rose Garden at 5:15pm EST today, and will take some questions from the press. The scuttlebutt is Jim Acosta is going to ask Trump if he believes in aliens.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/politics/pentagon-ufo-videos/index.html

Is this the most important thing happening in the US today? I would have thought Trump would be pissed off being called off the golf course to attend the briefing.
Logged

faberryman

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4851
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2949 on: April 27, 2020, 05:29:20 pm »

My state got a "twofer" today: 1) restaurants reopened, and 2) largest one day jump in reported COVID-19 cases. I am pretty sure the two events are not connected (at least not today), but I am still not planning on going out to eat anytime soon.
Logged

faberryman

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4851
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2950 on: April 27, 2020, 05:33:17 pm »

Is this the most important thing happening in the US today? I would have thought Trump would be pissed off being called off the golf course to attend the briefing.
Poor guy hasn't been golfing since February when he managed to get in six rounds. That was back when the virus was under control, and we had 15 cases going quickly down to zero. Unfortunately, we are now near a million cases and over 56,000 deaths. A lot can happen in two months.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 06:00:08 pm by faberryman »
Logged

PeterAit

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4596
    • Peter Aitken Photographs
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2951 on: April 27, 2020, 05:34:36 pm »

For you Trumplets--chew on this. What do you want to bet that there are no tariffs on these?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-2020-campaign-banners-are-being-proudly-produced-in-china-2018-07-25
Logged

faberryman

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4851
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2952 on: April 27, 2020, 05:38:42 pm »

For you Trumplets--chew on this. What do you want to bet that there are no tariffs on these?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-2020-campaign-banners-are-being-proudly-produced-in-china-2018-07-25
So that's what they are flying in on Project Airbridge.
Logged

chez

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2501
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2953 on: April 27, 2020, 05:48:50 pm »

For you Trumplets--chew on this. What do you want to bet that there are no tariffs on these?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-2020-campaign-banners-are-being-proudly-produced-in-china-2018-07-25

Yeh...so much for made in America and bringing back manufacturing. I'm sure the signs "Let's make America great again" have made in China on the back.
Logged

faberryman

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4851
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2954 on: April 27, 2020, 05:54:30 pm »

Yeh...so much for made in America and bringing back manufacturing. I'm sure the signs "Let's make America great again" have made in China on the back.
Maybe instead of MAGA hats they could jump the shark and print up some Trump 2020 masks.
Logged

BernardLanguillier

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 13972
    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardlanguillier/sets/
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2955 on: April 27, 2020, 06:27:26 pm »

I don't remember that's the conclusion of what I provided. I think I provided a study showing that the speed of lockdowns are not correlated with the number of fatalities.

I have not commented about the way you drew mistaken conclusions from the data you provided but your conclusions were mistaken.

Or in fact I did at the time jut you didn’t answer.

The truth is that social distancing has a very positive impact on the spread of viruses, it slows it down very effectively. This isn’t disputed by anyone with an IQ above 50 as far as I can tell.

- Lock down increases social distancing
- Lower density of population in cities (static and dynamic) also increases social distancing

The fact that low density states without lock down show similar trends to high density states with a lock down confirms the effectiveness of lock down. If not you should have much fewer cases in low density states with smaller cities, smaller appartement buildings, less public transportation, a less vibrant social life, fewer visitors,...

Another important factor is the timing at which lock down was enforced and how strictly it’s being done. When you start late you need to maintain it longer with dramatic impacts on the economy. Courtesy of your beloved President.

Are we in agreement now? If not could you please pinpoint what exact part you are not agreeing with?

Thank you.

Cheers,
Bernard
« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 06:30:35 pm by BernardLanguillier »
Logged

BernardLanguillier

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 13972
    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardlanguillier/sets/
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2956 on: April 27, 2020, 06:39:04 pm »

What's your point?  If they worked so well, we would expect to see the same results all over, but we dont. 

In logic, and mathematics, you only need one counter example to disprove a statement.

I agree that one counter example is sufficient to disprove a simple logical statement but I disagree that this is applicable to demonstrate that the time it takes in the US is a proof of the ineffectiveness of the lock down.

You are overlooking the facts that:
- the late start of the lock down explains very well what we are seeing in the US. This isn’t rocket science, you start late you let an exponential spread occur with a much higher absolute number of cases. You can blame your President for that
- the lock down is starting to show benefits, for example in NY

I understand the economic impacts and the urge to reopen but you should talk to the guy who caused all this, Trump.

Cheers,
Bernard

LesPalenik

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5338
    • advantica blog
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2957 on: April 27, 2020, 07:19:22 pm »

Maybe instead of MAGA hats they could jump the shark and print up some Trump 2020 masks.

There are people who would rather get infected than wearing such a mask.
Logged

BernardLanguillier

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 13972
    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardlanguillier/sets/
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2958 on: April 27, 2020, 07:38:05 pm »

What's going to happen, if we get a second wave, we lockdown again damaging the economy even more when the right move is to let it play out like Sweden is doing.  With States opening up, we'll soon see what's going to happen.  Everyone's guessing right now.

Why don’t you explain in detail what Sweden is doing (don’t forget to mention free heathcare for all with best in class hospitals), what part of it works (don’t forget the start early part), what doesn’t and how it would apply to the US?

You must be an expert considering how often you mentioned it.

By the way, I assume you realize the irony of citing Sweden as a model since it’s the country on which Sanders bases his proposals...

Thanks.

Cheers,
Bernard

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2959 on: April 27, 2020, 07:45:04 pm »

You seem to be assuming the Dems don't think Biden will win. The whole reason he won the primaries was the assumption that he CAN win, and I think it's a good assumption. He's leading in Florida, and Trump can't win without Florida. He's leading in Pennsylvania (where he was born) and in Michigan, and if he wins those two, even without Florida, he wins, as long as he holds Minnesota, where he's leading by 10 points. He's almost certain to win the actual vote count, because he'll win the Blue states by huge margins, while, if Trump wins, it'll be purely on the basis of the Electoral College, and he'll win the critical states there by small margins. So, even if he wins, which I think is unlikely but possible, Trump will again be an illegitimate President, the choice of a minority of Americans.
Trump won the electoral college by a significant majority: 304 (Trump) to 227 (Clinton)  or 56% to 43% with 1% going to other candidates.  While he did get less popular votes (46%)  than Hillary Clinton, President Bill Clinton only received 43% of the popular vote in 1992, less of a percent than Trump received.  So by your standard, Bill Clinton was more an illegitimate president than Trump as a higher percent voted against him.  You're still arguing the electoral college point 4 years after the election.  You just can't accept that Trump is the president, can you?   
Pages: 1 ... 146 147 [148] 149 150 ... 400   Go Up