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[Craig Lamson]

I can easily answer your irrelevant question if it makes you feel better.
Of course, some people voted for him because of the colour of his skin.  They're racists,

Now, you answer mine, please: Why is it no longer "worth it" (his words) to appear at the press conferences?

So now you consider black people to be racists for voting for a black person?  It just keeps getting worse and worst for you.

Now to answer your question I direct you to Trumps tweet, but you already know his answer, don’t you?

[Craig Lamson]

Spoken like a true maroon McLennan...

China: acquired increased global power and dominance, especially in SE Asia and Africa due to Trump's withdrawal into "America First",

China-US trade deal...trade war to force it.

Mexico: I had no idea they were a threat.  I thought they were a cooperative trade partner, wall construction financier and neighbour.

USMCA

NATO: weakened and dispirited due to threats by Trump of disengagement

Finally brought to task for being leeches.

NK: unchanged enmity, except for increased global stature due to Trump's lame photo ops

Finally a real dialog with NK after decades of ineptitude by the entire free world.

Russia: Google "Trump Putin Helsinki meeting"  esp. video of same.

Again, real constructive dialog after years of Obama's failures.

Liberal SC Judges: a partisan matter irrelevant to this discussion of being "saved".

Its not irrelevent to American's, but them again that exludes you.

CANADA (upper case Lemson's)  see above, Mexico. I had no idea that, for decades and until very recently America's largest trading partner, continental neighbour and co-dweller along the world's longest undefended border was a threat, or that you needed "saving" from us. Sorry about that.

Had the guts to do USMCA...enought said.

Wanna try again?

[Peter McLennan]

Wanna try again?

Nope.  It's like attempting discussion with a rock.
None of your replies are either responsible or responsive.

And please don't say "He got his ass handed to him"  or "He was beaten down and gave up" or "I win!" because we've heard that crap before from you. 

I'd love to say that "you're better than that", but you're not.

[Craig Lamson]

Nope.  It's like attempting discussion with a rock.
None or your replies are either responsible or responsive.

And please don't say "He got his ass handed to him"  or "He was beaten down and gave up" or "I win!" because we've heard that crap before from you. 

I'd love to say that "you're better than that", but you're not.

Spoken like a guy who can't muster up a reply.  I'm really not suprised. Its your SOP.

[James Clark]

Spoken like a true maroon McLennan...

China-US trade deal...trade war to force it.

USMCA

Finally brought to task for being leeches.

Finally a real dialog with NK after decades of ineptitude by the entire free world.

Again, real constructive dialog after years of Obama's failures.

Its not irrelevent to American's, but them again that exludes you.

Had the guts to do USMCA...enought said.

Wanna try again?

You do know that all of this stuff is mainly branding, right?  I mean, Trump SAYS it, you apparently believe it, but the changes here are incremental at best, and many come with significant cost.  It's like me bragging that I harangued my neighbor into paying for 51%, instead of 50%, of a new $10K fence, but in the 2 years we fought about it, a bunch of rabbits and deer ate two seasons worth of lettuce worth $600 and now your neighbor no longer gives a damn that water runoff from his sloped lot leaks into your garage, and you're SOL because the new Trumpy judge says drainage is a liberal lie designed to prioritize frogs over bidness.

Plus all your neighbors now think you're a dick, and even though you made Ed, Bob, and Randall pony up their 50 bucks instead of the 45 they were paying to be HOA before, now they're  gonna go to the farmer across town and get his chickens there instead, costing you another $1000/year in opportunity loss, so, winning, I guess?

[BobShaw]

Spoken like a true maroon McLennan...

( insert pile of rubbish here )

Wanna try again?

You really believe any of that ?
The world keeps on turning.

[Craig Lamson]

You really believe any of that ?
The world keeps on turning.

Yep, you wanna dispute it?

[Craig Lamson]

You do know that all of this stuff is mainly branding, right?  I mean, Trump SAYS it, you apparently believe it, but the changes here are incremental at best, and many come with significant cost.  It's like me bragging that I harangued my neighbor into paying for 51%, instead of 50%, of a new $10K fence, but in the 2 years we fought about it, a bunch of rabbits and deer ate two seasons worth of lettuce worth $600 and now your neighbor no longer gives a damn that water runoff from his sloped lot leaks into your garage, and you're SOL because the new Trumpy judge says drainage is a liberal lie designed to prioritize frogs over bidness.

Plus all your neighbors now think you're a dick, and even though you made Ed, Bob, and Randall pony up their 50 bucks instead of the 45 they were paying to be HOA before, now they're  gonna go to the farmer across town and get his chickens there instead, costing you another $1000/year in opportunity loss, so, winning, I guess?

James you know better than that.  Most changes are incremental because that’s how things work, but the point is they happened when no one else even wanted to try.  Nothing at all happens if you don’t rock the boat, which is what has gone on for decades.  Just go with the flow because it’s easy.  Just kick it down the road....

BTW, for me the big plus is the Supreme Court and Federal Court Judges.  You know full well that has nothing to do with branding. 

[JoeKitchen]

James you know better than that.  Most changes are incremental because that’s how things work, but the point is they happened when no one else even wanted to try.  Nothing at all happens if you don’t rock the boat, which is what has gone on for decades.  Just go with the flow because it’s easy.  Just kick it down the road....

BTW, for me the big plus is the Supreme Court and Federal Court Judges. You know full well that has nothing to do with branding.

+1 on that!  That liberal court rotting away the country known as the 9th circuit will be 50% conservative by the end of this year, and, hopefully, around 90% by 2024. 

[JoeKitchen]

Just listened to Victor Davis Hanson talk about the up coming election and his take is that Joe Biden is Trumps biggest asset right now. 

He compared Biden to FDR in 1944, when everyone know he was not going to survive the presidency and people would be voting for the VP.  Well FDR's VP was Garner, who was a true red blood communist and the party realized they have a huge problem on their hands.  So they staged a coup at the convention, vetoed Garner and put up Truman. 

So now the question is, what is Joe going to do and then what is the party going to do.  It is getting more and more obvious that what is ailing Biden is not due to stress, but his physical condition deteriorating.  Even with all of this rest, he is looking and sounding worse and worse every day.  The problem though is that he pigeon holed himself into picking a woman and will more then likely let himself be talked into picking Harris or Abrams, both really bad candidates.  If you dont think so, remember he has let Bernie talk him into taking up his policy measures after he beat Bernie. 

So if he picks either of those very unpopular candidates, will the party step in and pick the right one?  Or will the party bend over to the radicals and assure loosing the election. 

The radicals have the most play right now too, especially with this sexual assault charge that is not going away. 

Good luck Dems, like I said, you picked a whopper. 

[Peter McLennan]

You do know that all of this stuff is mainly branding, right?  I mean, Trump SAYS it, you apparently believe it, but the changes here are incremental at best, and many come with significant cost.  It's like me bragging that I harangued my neighbor into paying for 51%, instead of 50%, of a new $10K fence, but in the 2 years we fought about it, a bunch of rabbits and deer ate two seasons worth of lettuce worth $600 and now your neighbor no longer gives a damn that water runoff from his sloped lot leaks into your garage, and you're SOL because the new Trumpy judge says drainage is a liberal lie designed to prioritize frogs over bidness.

Plus all your neighbors now think you're a dick, and even though you made Ed, Bob, and Randall pony up their 50 bucks instead of the 45 they were paying to be HOA before, now they're  gonna go to the farmer across town and get his chickens there instead, costing you another $1000/year in opportunity loss, so, winning, I guess?

Superb! 

Not that <insert usual suspects here> would understand either the parable or its genesis.

[BobShaw]

Yep, you wanna dispute it?

Woody from Cheers.
It took the US 6 years to realise (but not admit) that Vietnam was a mistake and they lost 55,000 people in 10 years.
The US has now lost that many in a month with Covid 19 but no mistakes here.

[Craig Lamson]

Woody from Cheers.
It took the US 6 years to realise (but not admit) that Vietnam was a mistake and they lost 55,000 people in 10 years.
The US has now lost that many in a month with Covid 19 but no mistakes here.

So you need to change the subject? That’s really lame. 

[Alan Klein]

Woody from Cheers.
It took the US 6 years to realise (but not admit) that Vietnam was a mistake and they lost 55,000 people in 10 years.
The US has now lost that many in a month with Covid 19 but no mistakes here.

A lot of people in every country made "mistakes".  Of course it's easy to Monday morning quarterback and be a prognosticator when you know all the plays.  The first problem was that China lied about it causing everyone to think it wasn't serious for 6 weeks at least.  They also allowed their infected people to travel everywhere spreading the virus to all parts of the world.  There's the culprit.  Oh, I forgot, it's election season. 

[Robert Roaldi]

So you need to change the subject? That’s really lame.

Well, to be fair, there never has been just one subject in this thread.

[BobShaw]

A lot of people in every country made "mistakes". 

Of course.
This will be the Year of 2020 Hindsight.
It is what happens after you realise that you have made a mistake that matters most.

[chez]

A lot of people in every country made "mistakes".  Of course it's easy to Monday morning quarterback and be a prognosticator when you know all the plays.  The first problem was that China lied about it causing everyone to think it wasn't serious for 6 weeks at least.  They also allowed their infected people to travel everywhere spreading the virus to all parts of the world.  There's the culprit.  Oh, I forgot, it's election season.

Knowing back in Jan / Feb timeframe this virus is serious, how do you think the US handled this?

[Alan Klein]

Knowing back in Jan / Feb timeframe this virus is serious, how do you think the US handled this?

No different than the rest of the world initially.  Then we got stuff moving pretty well.  PPE is no linger an issue except for regular people getting it like me.  America's medical and research community is working hard to relieve the effects of the virus and find a vaccine.  Even our forum friend Alan Goldhammer is working on it.   I'm pinning my hopes on a topical antiseptic.  But I think I'm in a minority there.    Going forward is a great experiment with 50 states individually moving at their own pace.  Some states will do very well and others very bad.  But we'll learn a lot for the future from their mistakes and successes. 

[armand]

SO?  Disinfectants are chemicals.  MAybe in the right dose they kill viruses without killing the patient. Are you a virologist who knows better.   Certainly TRump isn't and he looked at the experts when he made his comment asking them if that's something they could research.  But you'd rather take him and me literally and not use some imagination to stretch the point where it could be useful.  That's because you're acting political.   And so is the press.   It's all fake news.

When you are neck deep it's better to stop moving.
There is no justification to that, it was a dumb statement. You going till the end to justify the unjustifiable is typical. Regardless of what Trump says you know exactly what he meant and what he meant is the absolute truth.

The disinfectants are killing the viruses in the right dose (not all chemicals and not all viruses, depends if they are lipophilic or hydrophilic but that's another discussion) on innate surfaces. Period. There are no ifs, ands or buts. No genius or outside the box thinking, just cluelessness.
As I said before, you cannot think outside the box if you don't know what the problem is or what the box is.

[Alan Klein]

When you are neck deep it's better to stop moving.
There is no justification to that, it was a dumb statement. You going till the end to justify the unjustifiable is typical. Regardless of what Trump says you know exactly what he meant and what he meant is the absolute truth.

The disinfectants are killing the viruses in the right dose (not all chemicals and not all viruses, depends if they are lipophilic or hydrophilic but that's another discussion) on innate surfaces. Period. There are no ifs, ands or buts. No genius or outside the box thinking, just cluelessness.
As I said before, you cannot think outside the box if you don't know what the problem is or what the box is.

And you expect the president to know these things?  Heck, I don't know what you're talking about.  That's why he motioned to the doctors with him when he raised his point.  That it would be something they could have science investigate.  He was being his old optimistic self, congratulating his people for the news about how infrared, UV and antiseptics kill viruses and hoping these things could save people.  If the press put it in that context, we'd all be looking at it differently.  But they twist everything into a negative just as you're doing now.