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« Reply #3600 on: January 30, 2020, 02:11:33 pm »

The most serious negotiations going towards a real peace were with the Olso accords.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

Alas, Rabin was assassinated, a very effective assassination that also killed the peace process from the Israelian side.
Since then the building of more and more Israelian settlements in Palestine territory violated the accords.
Simon Peres started that and Nethanyahu who never wanted a peace process continued on an even larger scale.

about casualties
Here some info about the last 10 years...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/313220/fatalities-between-israel-and-palestina-after-operation-cast-lead/ 
about 3000 Palestinians and about 50 Israelians got killed.

Apartheid is a good term of how the Palestianans have to live under Israelian pressure.

Exactly why the Palestinians should make a deal now before they lose even more. What do they think is going to happen? The Israelis are going to throw down their rifles, meltdown their tanks, and march into the Mediterranean and drown? They have to face the reality of the situation.

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« Reply #3601 on: January 30, 2020, 02:25:18 pm »

In other news, it's really great watching people getting destroyed by the same radical movements they themselves help start. 

Buttigieg is now under intense fire for touting his "American Heartland" roots.  Apparently Heartland is now a micro-aggression, and actually means "a place where white people run things."

It's nonsense like this that will implode the Democratic party. 
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« Reply #3602 on: January 30, 2020, 04:05:55 pm »

... Buttigieg is now under intense fire for touting his "American Heartland" roots.  Apparently Heartland is now a micro-aggression, and actually means "a place where white people run things."...

Just when i thought no new PC idiotism can surprise me...  ;D

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« Reply #3603 on: January 30, 2020, 04:14:31 pm »

Exactly why the Palestinians should make a deal now before they lose even more. What do they think is going to happen? The Israelis are going to throw down their rifles, meltdown their tanks, and march into the Mediterranean and drown? They have to face the reality of the situation.
Your word DEAL is the way Trump uses the word:  You do what i want you to...or else.
In this 'deal of the century' there is nothing to gain for the Palestinians... Although they have the same 'rights' on Jerusalem as the Jews...
They are treated like dirt by Israel that wants to make their life as miserable as possible in the hope they will eventually leave their country.
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« Reply #3604 on: January 30, 2020, 08:14:45 pm »

Yea and the Dems have hated him for years and now he’s their savior.   Sheesh....

Search YouTube for clips of Shiff talking about Bolton in the past.  In fact look for clips of Reps hating him too.  He’s a war monger, and there is plenty of bad all around this guy.  There are two sides to this coin, if you are willing to look.

Oh yes, I am far from agreeing with Bolton's views and nor are the democrats.

I don't believe that any Democrat has changed his views about Bolton. They are just happy that he, for one, is behaving ethically here by doing the simplest thing, which is to tell the truth.

That obviously is a problem for the Republicans. Being part of the team involves telling whatever lie is required to support the party line. It may be how the game is being played in Washington, but I am not sure that a majority of Republican voters support these practices. They are far from being stupid though, if anything this should be a great eye opener.

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« Reply #3605 on: January 30, 2020, 08:37:13 pm »

Hi Robert, Among others, the Wall Street Journal. You might want to try it. You'd be able to see some real news and some serious discussions about actual, rather than bogus, current events. Considering what I suspect you're viewing on TV, it would be a real revelation.

You make a lot of assumptions. I haven't watched TV news in well over a decade and I've never watched US TV news. And you can't possibly believe you're the only person who has ever seen WSJ.
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« Reply #3606 on: January 30, 2020, 08:47:13 pm »

Oh yes, I am far from agreeing with Bolton's views and nor are the democrats.

I don't believe that any Democrat has changed his views about Bolton. They are just happy that he, for one, is behaving ethically here by doing the simplest thing, which is to tell the truth.

That obviously is a problem for the Republicans. Being part of the team involves telling whatever lie is required to support the party line. It may be how the game is being played in Washington, but I am not sure that a majority of Republican voters support these practices. They are far from being stupid though, if anything this should be a great eye opener.

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You do know, don’t you, that Bolton has said he is quite willing to lie as part of his job, so what kind of a push is it for him to possibly lie to boost sales ?

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/29/in-2010-fox-interview-john-bolton-confessed-he-would-absolutely-lie-about-national-security-matters/

I have to smile when I read what the NYT wrong about Bolton’s manuscript.  They stated Bolton says Trumps “preferred” to withhold aid waiting to see if Ukraine was going to investigate.   “Preferred” is a curious word to use.  A weasel work of sorts.   It makes me wonder what Bolton I’d trying to convey if this is true.  But of course unless Bolton can corroborate his claim, it will continue to be just that, a claim. 

As I have said all along,  let him talk.   He could do it tomorrow. 
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« Reply #3607 on: January 30, 2020, 08:49:47 pm »

I was wrong in my thinking about Bolton. Turns out to be just another disloyal political sleaze ball who's only interested in selling books and making money by stabbing people in the back.

So Bolton has bad things to say about Trump and you turn against Bolton.

Interesting your use of "disloyal". Disloyal to whom, Trump or to the country? I may be wrong but when these guys sign up, I believe they swear allegiance to the country, not to the guy who gave them the job. Which is the greater loyalty, would you say?

Bolton is just the latest in a long line of people who became disgusted with the clown in the big office, but you hold fast at every turn. I don't understand your hero worship, he's just another politician and a spectacularly sleazy one at that. Why the slavish adoration? He's not even a "conservative".
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« Reply #3608 on: January 30, 2020, 08:50:39 pm »

Oh yes, I am far from agreeing with Bolton's views and nor are the democrats.

I don't believe that any Democrat has changed his views about Bolton. They are just happy that he, for one, is behaving ethically here by doing the simplest thing, which is to tell the truth.

That obviously is a problem for the Republicans. Being part of the team involves telling whatever lie is required to support the party line. It may be how the game is being played in Washington, but I am not sure that a majority of Republican voters support these practices. They are far from being stupid though, if anything this should be a great eye opener.

Cheers,
Bernard

Ethically?  He's trying to sell his book.  First we have no idea what Trump told him.  Bolton hasn't said.  If he was ethical, he would have said it weeks ago.  But that would hurt book sales.  The NY Times did it again.  Another "October" surprise where the come up with some info to hurt a politicians they don;t like, or a supreme court nominee.  You think people would be on to their deviousness. 

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« Reply #3609 on: January 30, 2020, 08:56:37 pm »

So Bolton has bad things to say about Trump and you turn against Bolton.

Interesting your use of "disloyal". Disloyal to whom, Trump or to the country? I may be wrong but when these guys sign up, I believe they swear allegiance to the country, not to the guy who gave them the job. Which is the greater loyalty, would you say?

Bolton is just the latest in a long line of people who became disgusted with the clown in the big office, but you hold fast at every turn. I don't understand your hero worship, he's just another politician and a spectacularly sleazy one at that. Why the slavish adoration? He's not even a "conservative".

He's a sleaze and acting unpatriotically (correction) because he;s putting book sales in front of the country.  Creating this controversy to sell books when he could just come out and say now what the president told him and end speculation that's dividing the country and the senate.  The more he says nothing, the more people will buy his book and the more the country is going to be in an uproar as to what happened creating more political conflict.  That's not being patriotic.  That's being greedy.  And its hurting the country.  He's a greedy sleaze. 

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« Reply #3610 on: January 30, 2020, 09:35:08 pm »

He's a sleaze and acting unpatriotically (correction) because he;s putting book sales in front of the country.  Creating this controversy to sell books when he could just come out and say now what the president told him and end speculation that's dividing the country and the senate.  The more he says nothing, the more people will buy his book and the more the country is going to be in an uproar as to what happened creating more political conflict.  That's not being patriotic.  That's being greedy.  And its hurting the country.  He's a greedy sleaze.

Geez, that's going to a lot of trouble just to sell a book.
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« Reply #3611 on: January 30, 2020, 11:06:31 pm »

Geez, that's going to a lot of trouble just to sell a book.
How many millions?  Just for saying nothing, well, just enough.

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« Reply #3612 on: January 30, 2020, 11:59:17 pm »

The ballgame may be over Friday.

"Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., said Thursday night he would not vote to hear witnesses in the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump, likely dooming a bid by Democrats and moderate Republicans and heralding the quick end of the trial.

A vote to call witnesses is expected Friday, and is now likely to be blocked by Republicans, who may move to acquit Trump as soon as Friday night."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lamar-alexander-opposes-witnesses-likely-sealing-quick-end-to-impeachment-trial-2020-01-30

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« Reply #3613 on: January 31, 2020, 12:04:20 am »

A vote to call witnesses is expected Friday, and is now likely to be blocked by Republicans, who may move to acquit Trump as soon as Friday night."[/i]
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lamar-alexander-opposes-witnesses-likely-sealing-quick-end-to-impeachment-trial-2020-01-30

With the anticipated Friday rise of Amazon share price, that should bode for a good end of the week for the investors.
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« Reply #3614 on: January 31, 2020, 12:20:49 am »

With the anticipated Friday rise of Amazon share price, that should bode for a good end of the week for the investors.

Bezos made about $14 billion in one day today.  I bet that impressed even Trump.  But the firm only made around $3 billion.  Yet it's a trillion dollar company.  What's the PE?  I don't get it.  Bezos is the only one making money from Amazon.  Well, his ex too. Apple on the other hand has something like a 39% margin on sales.  That's about an 80% markup on cost.   Now, they know how to make money. 

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« Reply #3615 on: January 31, 2020, 12:24:41 am »

With the anticipated Friday rise of Amazon share price, that should bode for a good end of the week for the investors.
Trump will probably take the credit for Amazon's increase in price just to stick it to Jeff Bezos and the Washington Post. 

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« Reply #3616 on: January 31, 2020, 12:29:17 am »

Isn't it funny that Trump's administration is (rightfully) requesting more openness and collaboration from China about the coronavirus...

That is just 180 degrees away from their own policy on most matters.

I hope it means that they have finally understood that their isolationism is simply not relevant on a planet where all the key topics are of global nature. Like it or not.

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« Reply #3617 on: January 31, 2020, 12:41:20 am »

Bezos made about $14 billion in one day today.  I bet that impressed even Trump.  But the firm only made around $3 billion.  Yet it's a trillion dollar company.  What's the PE?  I don't get it.  Bezos is the only one making money from Amazon.  Well, his ex too. Apple on the other hand has something like a 39% margin on sales.  That's about an 80% markup on cost.   Now, they know how to make money.

Between 4pm and 4:30pm AMZN price rose by about $250/share. Most likely due to a short squeeze. By the end of the After Hours time frame it dropped to about $2050.  It won't stay at that level too long. Their PE is indeed very high (over 80 as of Thursday, and it will be even higher tomorrow), but now some commentators and analysts are forecasting $2,300 share price by year end. That would be another 10% increase this year in stock value, never mind the PE.

AAPL, MSFT and GOOG delivered also great results this week. Especially TSLA which delivered not only a boatload of vehicles, but also a phenomenal increase in its share price.
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« Reply #3618 on: January 31, 2020, 03:24:29 am »

...  Why the slavish adoration?...

There’s no adoration. We just like what he does, not necessarily what he says, and certainly not who he is (a jerk).

If his only legacy would be preventing another Jihadi Jane entering the States and Congress, that would be enough, for instance. Let alone stopping the barbarians at the gate (literally).

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« Reply #3619 on: January 31, 2020, 04:32:10 am »

Another win for Trump:

US life expectancy rises for first time since 2014 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51316030
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