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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3560 on: January 30, 2020, 04:23:31 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXZIZ2-Yn20

Such a relevant analysis... For the busy ones or those allergic to CNN, it's a factual description of the total change of behavior of Fox News against Bolton... who worked as a consultant for Fox News for 11 years. He has now become a big vilain.

Pathetic.

Watching these people without the least bit of ethics makes me sick.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3561 on: January 30, 2020, 04:24:02 am »

SS officer to a Jew : you can walk to a gas camera yourself or we can make a mincemeat out of your first and drag you in... make the best deal you can

To compare today’s US and Israel with Nazi extermination camps is incredibly stupid and crass.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3562 on: January 30, 2020, 04:26:10 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXZIZ2-Yn20

Such a relevant analysis...

Bernard, please either remove your post or follow the forum rules and provide a sufficient explanation what the link is about.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3563 on: January 30, 2020, 04:33:50 am »

Bernard, please either remove your post or follow the forum rules and provide a sufficient explanation what the link is about.

We already have a moderator.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3564 on: January 30, 2020, 04:35:30 am »

“Thanks” for calling me stupid, as I argued the same as Dershowitz, a month before him. 😉

As for the percentage, no, it didn’t stay the same. It went up.

Slobodan,

I would never call you stupid, but Dershowitz's reasoning and official justification can't be described as brilliant.
If the percentage to reelect Trump went up, it's not because of astuteness of Trump, but because of the "progressive" Democrats veering too far to the left.
The overall sentiment may change when Mike Bloomberg steps into the ring.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3565 on: January 30, 2020, 04:51:48 am »

We already have a moderator.

Apart from moderators or police, there are such things like citizen’s arrest, neighborhood watch, self-policing, and self-governance. Look it up.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3566 on: January 30, 2020, 06:19:51 am »

To compare today’s US and Israel with Nazi extermination camps is incredibly stupid and crass.

That was not a comparison being made: it was an example to illustrate the Hobson's choice condition of the current game, the choice being offered the Palestinians.

Play fair; you are not a politician.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3567 on: January 30, 2020, 07:05:13 am »

That was not a comparison being made: it was an example to illustrate the Hobson's choice condition of the current game, the choice being offered the Palestinians.

Play fair; you are not a politician.

;-)

Rob, there is a Jewish radio host in the USA, Dennis Prager, that has a great saying on the situation, "if all the Jews in Israel put down their guns today, there would be no Jews tomorrow in Israel.  If all the Palestinians put down their guns today, there would be a free state of Palestine tomorrow."  It's that simple.

I use to be on your side, but after doing some more research, the idea that the Palestinians are getting a raw deal is crazy.  The fact is there has never been a peace deal Israel has not wanted to except, and there has never been a peace deal the Palestinians would except, no matter how lop sided that deal may be in favor of the Palestinians. 

The Palestinians' wish to kill all Jewish people in the Middle East and destroy the state of Israel is a great motivation then their wish to have a free state. 

Well, as Alan said earlier, the train is pulling out, and it really is.  This peace deal, for the first time, has united nearly the entirety of the Arab Middle East (with the exception of Iran) to not only recognize Israel's right to exist, but to also support them.  Egypt and Saudi Arabia, who previously went to war with Israel, have both agreed to recognize this peace deal.  Now you could argue that this is a strategic alliance against Iran, but the fact is they excepted it. 

With the exception of Iran, the Middle East is moving on in regards to the Palestinians.  It would do them best to see the writing on the wall, but it seems that they still never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. 
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3568 on: January 30, 2020, 07:39:50 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXZIZ2-Yn20

Such a relevant analysis... For the busy ones or those allergic to CNN, it's a factual description of the total change of behavior of Fox News against Bolton... who worked as a consultant for Fox News for 11 years. He has now become a big vilain.

Pathetic.

Watching these people without the least bit of ethics makes me sick.

Cheers,
Bernard

Yea and the Dems have hated him for years and now he’s their savior.   Sheesh....

Search YouTube for clips of Shiff talking about Bolton in the past.  In fact look for clips of Reps hating him too.  He’s a war monger, and there is plenty of bad all around this guy.  There are two sides to this coin, if you are willing to look.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3569 on: January 30, 2020, 08:23:44 am »

As Richard Nixon said, "When the President does it, that means it is not illegal." 
Or as Trump said, "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters".

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In his defense of President Donald Trump, attorney and Harvard Law School professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz added a third variant to Nixon and Louis XIV: If a President thinks his re-election is in the public interest, anything he does in pursuit of his re-election is legal.

The Dershowitz Doctrine would make presidents immune from every criminal act, so long as they could plausibly claim they did it to boost their re-election effort.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/begala-impeachment-trial-dershowitz-doctrine/index.html
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3570 on: January 30, 2020, 08:52:25 am »

Yea and the Dems have hated him for years and now he’s their savior.   Sheesh....

Search YouTube for clips of Shiff talking about Bolton in the past.  In fact look for clips of Reps hating him too.  He’s a war monger, and there is plenty of bad all around this guy.  There are two sides to this coin, if you are willing to look.

That all does not make him a liar... as much as you can disagree with his political view.

and could not resist:

Trump's wall: High winds blow over section of US-Mexico border fence

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51307868

seems Trump has to build a new wall to keep the wind out.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3571 on: January 30, 2020, 09:18:38 am »

That was not a comparison being made: it was an example to illustrate the Hobson's choice condition of the current game, the choice being offered the Palestinians....

Absolutely not. The comparison implies death to Palestinians. The offer is actually peace and prosperity, instead of perpetual war and poverty.

As a side note, Palestinians are generally disliked amongst the rest of the Arab world. They would get a much better deal working with Israelis than Arabs.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3572 on: January 30, 2020, 09:44:14 am »

Absolutely not. The comparison implies death to Palestinians. The offer is actually peace and prosperity, instead of perpetual war and poverty.

Maybe. Maybe not. According to what I've read, the offer is good for the US and Israel. Maybe the Palestinians should decide if it's good for them.


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As a side note, Palestinians are generally disliked amongst the rest of the Arab world. They would get a much better deal working with Israelis than Arabs.

I have no idea if the first of those is true, but being disliked by the likes of Assad or the Saudi princes doesn't seem like such a bad thing. Are they bad for business?

The second assertion seems like a bit of a stretch.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3573 on: January 30, 2020, 09:46:48 am »

Absolutely not. The comparison implies death to Palestinians. The offer is actually peace and prosperity, instead of perpetual war and poverty.

As a side note, Palestinians are generally disliked amongst the rest of the Arab world. They would get a much better deal working with Israelis than Arabs.

Give it a rest. It was a hyperbolic comment to make a point. Much like the way you repeatedly engage in anti-Godwin comments by referring to policies you disagree with as Soviet.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3574 on: January 30, 2020, 09:56:09 am »

That was not a comparison being made: it was an example to illustrate the Hobson's choice condition of the current game, the choice being offered the Palestinians.

Play fair; you are not a politician.

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There have been many times the choices for both sides were much better.  I remember when  PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat, Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin all won the Nobel peace prize, much of it under the auspices of America.  What happened?  As Joe said above, it seems the Palestinians always miss their chance to get a good deal.  Well, as time goes on, those deals become less auspicious.  Now they have their traditional Arab allies losing patience with them because they have their own issues and need Israel as an ally against Iran.  Geopolitics changes.  I hope the best for the Palestinians., I feel bad that they have not made a deal.  I know they want a good life for their families just like the rest of us.  They deserve it.  I wish I had a pat answer, but I don't.  This is a thorny issue that has gone on for over 70 years.  If you have a solution, I'd be glad to hear it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_I_Accord#/media/File:Flickr_-_Government_Press_Office_(GPO)_-_THE_NOBEL_PEACE_PRIZE_LAUREATES_FOR_1994_IN_OSLO..jpg

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3575 on: January 30, 2020, 10:16:51 am »

As Richard Nixon said, "When the President does it, that means it is not illegal." 
Or as Trump said, "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters".

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/begala-impeachment-trial-dershowitz-doctrine/index.html

Not just Trump - his lawyers actually made the argument that not only could he not be prosecuted for such a shooting, but that he could not even be *investigated*.

So yes, Trump and his lawyers are *literally* arguing, twice now, that the President is above the law and without restraint.   I know a lot of hyperbole gets thrown around about how horrible Trump is, but it's terrifying that people aren't freaking out about that.  I can tell you - I guarantee - absolutely guarantee - if my preferred candidate dared to make that argument I'd be actively working against them, period.
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« Reply #3576 on: January 30, 2020, 10:25:57 am »

Craig, you have to understand that Bernard resides in Japan. He's completely out of touch except for the "news" media and TV, both of which are oriented in one direction. He only gets one side of the story, so don't expect him to understand the situation.

Just saw this and don't understand. Where are you getting your info if not from "media and TV"?

Taxi drivers and barbers?  :)
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3577 on: January 30, 2020, 10:28:59 am »

That all does not make him a liar... as much as you can disagree with his political view.

and could not resist:

Trump's wall: High winds blow over section of US-Mexico border fence

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51307868

seems Trump has to build a new wall to keep the wind out.

Well since we dont actually know what he said in his book we dont know if he is lying or not.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3578 on: January 30, 2020, 10:34:20 am »

Not just Trump - his lawyers actually made the argument that not only could he not be prosecuted for such a shooting, but that he could not even be *investigated*.

So yes, Trump and his lawyers are *literally* arguing, twice now, that the President is above the law and without restraint.   I know a lot of hyperbole gets thrown around about how horrible Trump is, but it's terrifying that people aren't freaking out about that.  I can tell you - I guarantee - absolutely guarantee - if my preferred candidate dared to make that argument I'd be actively working against them, period.

I watched a bunch of the questions andanswers yerterday but I guess I must have missed the part where it was said Trump could not even be imvestigated, let alone shoot somebody. Care to provide a link?

And gee, he has been under constant investigation for over 3 years now.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3579 on: January 30, 2020, 10:37:38 am »

I watched a bunch of the questions andanswers yerterday but I guess I must have missed the part where it was said Trump could not even be imvestigated, let alone shoot somebody. Care to provide a link?


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lawyers-say-cant-be-investigated-shooting-someone-5th-ave-2019-10

And gee, he has been under constant investigation for over 3 years now.

"But it's not FAIR," they whined, incessantly.  After a pause, they stood, chanting, "Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!"
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