Impeaching Donald Trump

[Rob C]

These days, the emperors don't bother even with the idea of clothes.

[PeterAit]

Just keep hating on coal miners.  I like that.  So does Trump.  I hope you're advising the Democrats.

Nobody hates coal miners. They hate coal and the awful damage it is doing to our planet.

[Peter McLennan]

What corruption?

Corruption.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Corruption.

Well, gee, if you say so, then I am all for impeaching the mofo. Good talk, bro!

[LesPalenik]

Now Trump wants to cut off the funds to fight wildfires in California.  BTW, more than half of California’s 33 million acres of forest are controlled by the federal government.

President Donald Trump said Sunday that he wants to cut off federal funds to fight wildfires raging across California, tweeting that Gov. Gavin Newsom should "get his act together" and properly manage the state's forests.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/11/03/california-wildfires-maria-fire-evacuations-lifted-winery-rebuild/4148812002/

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Nobody hates coal miners. They hate coal and the awful damage it is doing to our planet.

Well, gee, if only we never used coal. Candle makers, horse breeders,  buggy whip drivers, etc. would be so happy to this day.

[faberryman]

Just keep hating on coal miners.  I like that.  So does Trump.  I hope you're advising the Democrats.

Non sequitur. You are flailing around.

[Alan Klein]

Nobody hates coal miners. They hate coal and the awful damage it is doing to our planet.

Yes.  Keep telling coal miners they're ruining the environment. Don;t leave out frackers, steel makers, electricity makers, gas producers, wildcatters, etc. That's the way to win votes.  Ohio are you listening?  Pennsylvania?  Thank you. 

[faberryman]

Yes.  Keep telling coal miners they're ruining the environment. Don;t leave out frackers, steel makers, electricity makers, gas producers, wildcatters, etc. That's the way to win votes.  Ohio are you listening?  Pennsylvania?  Thank you.

Are you off your meds?

[Alan Klein]

Are you off your meds?

I'll let the moderator answer you.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

CNN finally found an impeachable offense (to get this thread back on track):

[Alan Klein]

CNN finally found an impeachable offense (to get this thread back on track):

Definitely impeachable.  They finally got him.

[ah693973]

So, Trump's phone call to Ukraine is none of those?  You approve of what he (apparently) did?

Yes.

Trump's phone call was just the starting point for a deep dive into investigating the use of political office for personal gain. Trump used his office to cut off military aide to an ally who was facing an existential crisis as it was being overrun by our longtime foe Russia. He did this in order to get Ukraine to publicly announce they were looking into corruption of his political adversaries.

Although not necessary for impeachment the following laws were possibly broken:

1. Bribery.
2. Withholding duly appointed funds.
3. Soliciting political aid from a foreign government.
4. Obstruction.
5. Use of executive branch powers for political purposes. (Hatch act)

This is textbook what the framer's of the constitution were worried about when they decided to include impeachment as a remedy for a lawless president.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Welcome to the forum, ah693973.

You are a welcome addition, too funny. Old members' desperate attempts to impeach Trump just got boring. Keep it coming, we need a good laugh.

[ah693973]

Welcome to the forum, ah693973.

You are a welcome addition, too funny. Old members' desperate attempts to impeach Trump just got boring. Keep it coming, we need a good laugh.

You can laugh Slobodan, but you do so to avoid the issue. How about a real argument?

Let me ask you this. Can you come up with any unforced move that Trump has made that harms Russia? It seems that everything the president does helps your old country. This is what I find most perplexing about your worship of Trump. It seems to contradict your obvious hatred of Russia.

[ah693973]

Oh sorry, where were my manners.  Hi Slobodan. I had a feeling you were going to respond and we would be chatting.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

You can laugh Slobodan, but you do so to avoid the issue. How about a real argument?

Let me ask you this. Can you come up with any unforced move that Trump has made that harms Russia? It seems that everything the president does helps your old country. This is what I find most perplexing about your worship of Trump. It seems to contradict your obvious hatred of Russia.

Let me correct two things: I am not Russian and I do not hate Russia. I just spent eight years in Moscow in the '90s, working for American companies as an expat.

I think we need a better relationship with Russia, which was also Trump's electoral platform. It was in the open before the election,  people knew that and still voted for him, therefore there should be no surprise he tried to improve the relationship. We need them to fight the common enemy: Islamic extremism. He was sabotaged all the way in that respect, to the point that the relationship is now worse than ever after the cold war, instead of improving.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Oh sorry, where were my manners.  Hi Slobodan. I had a feeling you were going to respond and we would be chatting.

Would be nice to address you by your name, instead of your license plate

[Chris Kern]

Although not necessary for impeachment the following laws were possibly broken:

1. Bribery.
2. Withholding duly appointed funds.
3. Soliciting political aid from a foreign government.
4. Obstruction.
5. Use of executive branch powers for political purposes. (Hatch act)

Trump arguably is vulnerable with respect to the first four items on your list, but the Hatch Act does not on its face apply to the president, and I'm unaware of any federal court ruling to the contrary.  Certainly a non-starter for impeachment.

Would be nice to address you by your name, instead of your license plate

I think Slobodan's suggestion is a good idea for any participant in these forums, Andy, but especially for someone who is going to post on political subjects.  I would also encourage you to include your location (at least country and major subdivision, such as state or province) in your forum user profile.

[Two23]

You can laugh Slobodan, but you do so to avoid the issue. How about a real argument?

Let me ask you this. Can you come up with any unforced move that Trump has made that harms Russia? It seems that everything the president does helps your old country. This is what I find most perplexing about your worship of Trump. It seems to contradict your obvious hatred of Russia.

Well I certainly can.  If your only source of "information" is CNN you would have never hear about these:

1. Earlier this year Putin decided to test Trump's resolve in Syria.  He sent a mechanized column of about 500 Russians across the agreed upon boundary, the Euphrates River.  In what became known as the Battle of Kasham, Trump gave the OK to smoke the column first with Marine artillery and then with helicopter gunships and fighter bombers.  Reports were that 200-300 of the 500 troops were wiped out.  Putin was so humiliated that he ordered the bodies of the Russians to be incinerated and buried in the desert rather than that huge number be sent back to Russia.  Reports from inside Russia were that families were told the loss was from fighting terrorists if they were told at all.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/battle-syria-us-russian-mercenaries-commandos-islamic-state-a8370781.html

2. Ukraine.  The war between Ukrainian military and Russian proxies continued to simmer when Trump took over.  Recall that Obama, fearing Russian reprisal, pledged to only send "humanitarian" aid.  Trump gave the OK to send anti-tank missiles among other desperately needed weapons and ammunition.  This stopped the armored attacks cold and contributed to decreased Russian backed activity pretty quickly.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-trump-weapons-ukraine-20171222-story.html

3.  Remember Obama and Assad gassing civilians?  Obama said doing so would be "crossing a red line."  The Syrians did it anyway, obviously with Putin's approval.  They knew Obama was all talk and would never back it up.  When Syria did it again to test Trump, he blew the hell out of them with a missile strike.  You can bet Putin wasn't happy about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Shayrat_missile_strike

You probably knew about the last one, but if you didn't know about the first I'm guessing your only source of information is CNN?  I could also go into Trump's rebuilding U.S. military after years of neglect under Obama.  This has Putin scrambling to keep up and Russia simply can't afford it.  Really, this info is easily found out there if you keep an objective frame of mind.


Kent in SD