Impeaching Donald Trump

[RSL]

...a quote from the Washington Post:

If you're depending on the Washington Post for facts, Peter, you're in serious trouble.

[faberryman]

If you're depending on the Washington Post for facts, Peter, you're in serious trouble.

I suppose you get your alternate facts from Fox News, Breitbart, and InfoWars.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

No can do: they want me to join facebook, which I shall not.

Just join the 21st century, Rob 😉

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

This notion that Biden pressured Ukraine to not investigate his son is hogwash. For example, a quote from the Washington Post:

"No evidence of criminal wrongdoing by the Bidens has surfaced. Giuliani’s primary allegation — that Joe Biden pushed for the firing of Ukraine’s top prosecutor to quash a probe into the former minister and Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky — is not substantiated and has been widely disputed by former U.S. officials and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists."

But hey, we don't need no stinking facts--we're Republicans!

You quote a statement by the WP as facts!?

[Alan Klein]

This notion that Biden pressured Ukraine to not investigate his son is hogwash. For example, a quote from the Washington Post:

"No evidence of criminal wrongdoing by the Bidens has surfaced. Giuliani’s primary allegation — that Joe Biden pushed for the firing of Ukraine’s top prosecutor to quash a probe into the former minister and Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky — is not substantiated and has been widely disputed by former U.S. officials and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists."

But hey, we don't need no stinking facts--we're Republicans!

Interesting that the anti-Trump, anti-Republican Washington Post and others for 2 1/2 years pushed the crime that Trump colluded with the Russians without having any evidence.  In fact, after two years of investigation, Mueller  cleared Trump, his family and everyone else in America.  But now, you're so quick to accept the Washington Post's theory that Democrat Biden's son, who they support, did not do the crime.  Even though VP Joe Biden admitted publicly that he pressured the Ukrainian government to shut down the investigation. 


Wouldn't it be fair to investigate VP Biden to see if there was collusion on his part with a foreign government?  Or do we just prosecute people we don;t like?

[PeterAit]

You quote a statement by the WT as facts!?

What's  the WT?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

What's  the WT?

Sorry, WP (Washington Post). Corrected.

[Frans Waterlander]

Kelleyanne Conway hit the nail on the head yesterday when she said something like: "Biden didn't mean what he said, but Trump meant what he didn't say."

[rabanito]

Simple:
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Thank you for the very clear and interesting explanation   

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... BTW, if you want to add a new topic on Biden and his son's dealings, please feel free to start a new thread. Let's stay on topic in this one.

That IS the same topic.

[faberryman]

Biden is not being impeached, and he is not called Donald Trump.

It is really pretty simple. Trump asked the president of a foreign country to work with his personal attorney and the attorney general to dig up dirt on a political rival. You can argue about whether there was a quid pro quo for military aid, but a quid pro quo is not necessary. The ask, by itself, constitutes abhorrent behavior.

[Alan Klein]

It is really pretty simple. Trump asked the president of a foreign country to work with his personal attorney and the attorney general to dig up dirt on a political rival. You can argue about whether there was a quid pro quo for military aid, but a quid pro quo is not necessary. The ask, by itself, constitutes abhorrent behavior.

Then Biden who used his office as Vice President and asked Ukraine to drop the investigation of his son is also guilty of abhorrent behavior.  But not impeachable.  We should use elections to remove presidents.

On the other hand, you know that Biden's competition including Harris, Warren, Sanders,  and the other Democrat candidates are thinking how they can stick it to Biden without being attacked. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... The ask, by itself, constitutes abhorrent behavior.

How about not just ask, but pay for and use it? As in the Steele-dossier case, ordered and paid by DNC and ultimately approved by Hillary?

[Alan Klein]

Biden is not being impeached, and he is not called Donald Trump.

Get serious Bart,  The argument for Trump's impeachment has to do with Biden's and his son and what they did which may have been illegal, certainly Biden did what Trump apparently did.  Talk to the Ukrainians.  But if Biden's son did what he seems to have done, asking another country to investigate is not against the law or unusual.  Of course, there's the political issue which is serious.  But you can;t isolate one issue from the other.  Well, you can if you hate Trump and don;t want to hurt the Democrat in the process.  That's the nub of the problem, isn't it.   How to bury Trump without hurting Biden? 

[Alan Klein]

How about not just ask, but pay for and use it? As in the Steele-dossier case, ordered and paid by DNC and ultimately approved by Hillary?

Maybe they're all guilty.  Clinton, Biden and Trump.   They should share the same jail cell. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... How to bury Trump without hurting Biden? 

Or as the chorus of Dem candidates clamors: "How to bury Trump AND hurt Biden" Certainly looks like a trump card (pardon the pun) for the Jihad Squad.

[Rob C]

Just join the 21st century, Rob 😉

Not that version of it, thanks!

Rob

[Rob C]

Thank you for the very clear and interesting explanation   

Thank you too; writing made me realise some things that I hadn't really thought much about before.

:-)

https://www.magnumphotos.com/arts-culture/eve-arnold-marilyn-monroe-an-appreciation/

I'd just add that this less-than-perfect style of public relations photography is far more interesting, personal and emotionally evocative - at least to me - than the current sort of material we see from those sessions controlled by PR people and the likes, where the best we get is the "best" that the retouchers can produce: waxworks.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Wrong thread.

We should combine this thread with previous Russian Conspiracy threads into a single one: "Failed Democrats' Attempts at Soft Coup d'Etat."

[Rob C]

I like it more when you are on the attack, Slobodan, than when playing the apologist.

:-)