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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3640 on: January 31, 2020, 12:04:45 pm »

No, James, I don't think so. I know so! All I have to do is look at the employment statistics to see the truth. Those with their heads out can see it. Those with their heads in never will.

The improvement in employment started in 2010 when you-know-who was president. Trump had nothing to do with it, other than the faint praise that he hasn't screwed it up.
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« Reply #3641 on: January 31, 2020, 12:09:29 pm »

What can I say about those with their heads in (or up), Peter? If there hadn't been a rise after the recession we'd still have called it a recession. If your head were out you'd be able to see that.Then there's understanding. Just seeing it doesn't mean you'll understand it.
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« Reply #3642 on: January 31, 2020, 12:15:57 pm »

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Best laugh I've had in a while, though most of the postings on this thread are laughable.

However, I do agree with this one.  It was truly a great laugh. 
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« Reply #3643 on: January 31, 2020, 12:17:14 pm »

That point crossed my mind as I wrote to Pieter, Slobodan. I'm sure it couldn't have been an improvement in the economy. Had to be Michelle and the trash barrels full of lunches.

As much as I respect Michelle Obama, she crossed the line when her program mandated whole wheat biscuits. The very idea makes my head crawl!
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« Reply #3644 on: January 31, 2020, 12:19:17 pm »

But they're healthy, Peter. Don't you believe Michelle?
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« Reply #3645 on: January 31, 2020, 03:01:50 pm »

Just when i thought no new PC idiotism can surprise me...  ;D

I have another winner from CNN for you. 

BTW, if you think it is a bad idea to eat bats, you may be racist! 
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« Reply #3646 on: January 31, 2020, 04:15:30 pm »

What can I say about those with their heads in (or up), Peter? If there hadn't been a rise after the recession we'd still have called it a recession. If your head were out you'd be able to see that.Then there's understanding. Just seeing it doesn't mean you'll understand it.

To paraphrase a physicist at a Princeton seminar: That is so bad it does not even rise to the level of being wrong.
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« Reply #3647 on: January 31, 2020, 04:20:20 pm »

But they're healthy, Peter. Don't you believe Michelle?
 


Healthy, yes. But not if they aren't eaten. That's what Michelle overlooked.
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« Reply #3648 on: January 31, 2020, 05:29:16 pm »

Is Biden going down in the polls because of the impeachment?

Sanders surges, Biden plateaus in latest NBC/WSJ poll of 2020 Democratic primary voters
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/sanders-surges-biden-plateaus-in-2020-democratic-primary-nbc-wsj-poll.html

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« Reply #3649 on: January 31, 2020, 06:42:52 pm »

John Kasich says "more information is needed not less". That seems a common sense, and the most basic requirement in any court proceedings.
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« Reply #3650 on: January 31, 2020, 07:27:32 pm »

John Kasich says "more information is needed not less". That seems a common sense, and the most basic requirement in any court proceedings.

The house can always reopen investigations if they like.  After all, they have the votes. 
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« Reply #3651 on: January 31, 2020, 09:06:50 pm »

The improvement in employment started in 2010 when you-know-who was president. Trump had nothing to do with it, other than the faint praise that he hasn't screwed it up.

Well, then again...

farm bankruptcies are through the silo roof

Now to be fair, the article claims that, "Nearly one-third of projected U.S. net farm income in 2019 came from government aid and taxpayer-subsidized commodity insurance payments, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture." And, "The court data indicates those supports did help prevent a more serious economic fallout, said John Newton, chief economist for the American Farm Bureau Federation. Some of the biggest bankruptcy rate increases were seen in regions, such as apple growers in the Pacific Northwest, that did not receive much or any of the latest round of trade aid from the Trump administration."

So credit where credit is due to Trump for using socialism to prop up failing industry.  Of course, that industry probably wouldn't be failing as much had Trump not gutted the farm industry with his stupid trade wars.  But hey, "Trade wars are good, and easy to win."

Also, that one-month increase in life expectancy? Largely a result of better cancer and other treatments, the end result of basic research that takes years to come to fruition. 

Oh yeah - that increase in cancer survivability?  It's offset by an increase in suicides in Trump country.  I wonder why that is?  Oh wait... it's because

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A number of factors appear to be driving suicide rates up in rural America, including poverty, low income and underemployment, said lead study author Danielle Steelesmith, a postdoctoral fellow at Ohio State University’s Wexner Medical Center.
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But there is hope!

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Lack of access to health care in rural areas further compounds the problem. “Insurance can be a proxy for people’s access to mental health care,” Steelesmith said.

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“Lack of health insurance kills people,” [Dr. Albert Wu, an internist and a professor of health policy and management at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health] said. “More insurance, including the expansion of Medicaid, could help.”

I wonder what program we have that could help with that? 
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3652 on: January 31, 2020, 10:11:21 pm »

The official unemployment numbers are always lower than the real unemployment rates which include discouraged workers, laid-off older workers who are forced to take early retirement, some self-employed marginal occupations, and many part-time jobs.
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« Reply #3653 on: January 31, 2020, 10:39:44 pm »

John Kasich says "more information is needed not less". That seems a common sense, and the most basic requirement in any court proceedings.
This isn't a court proceeding.  It's a political contest where the leading party in the House impeached the president and the leading party in the Senate will find him not guilty.  All along party affiliation in both instances.  It's now the final inning in a 3 1/2 year long attempt of a coup d'etat. 

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« Reply #3654 on: January 31, 2020, 10:42:53 pm »

The official unemployment numbers are always lower than the real unemployment rates which include discouraged workers, laid-off older workers who are forced to take early retirement, some self-employed marginal occupations, and many part-time jobs.
That's true but wasn't mentioned much when Obama claimed great unemployment figures.  Also, they lied about the true figures in the last quarter running up to his reelection to make them look even better for his campaign. 

A better view is the employment figures which have been steadily if slowly going up since the recession ten years ago under both administrations.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/employment-rate

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3655 on: January 31, 2020, 10:45:03 pm »

This isn't a court proceeding.  It's a political contest where the leading party in the House impeached the president and the leading party in the Senate will find him not guilty.  All along party affiliation in both instances.  It's now the final inning in a 3 1/2 year long attempt of a coup d'etat.

You were all good until this silliness.
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« Reply #3656 on: January 31, 2020, 10:46:56 pm »

That's true but wasn't mentioned much when Obama claimed great unemployment figures. 



Sure it was.  Just in the opposite places it’s mentioned now :)
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« Reply #3657 on: January 31, 2020, 11:00:48 pm »

You were all good until this silliness.
If it was only about Ukraine, I would agree with you.  But Biden was preceded by Russian collusion, obstruction of justice, paying off bimbos, taxes, emoluments, etc.  For 3 1/2 years the Democrats have tried to find things to impeach Trump because they weren't happy they lost the election.

It then became after Mueller a desperate and unhinged attempt to influence the 2020 election.  The fact that Trump was able to accomplish so much despite being under all this constant pressure and harassment is frankly pretty amazing.  Most other people would have folded long ago, a reflection on his stamina and toughness.  I wonder how many independents will see it in that light and give him a win in November.  Of course, his supporters and opposition won;t change their minds any more than anyone here has changed theirs in 183 pages.  :)

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3658 on: January 31, 2020, 11:27:21 pm »

The refusal of the Senate to hear witnesses marks the end of the US as a democracy.

I feel incredibly sorry for all my American friends and also for myself because this is symptomatic of a terrible global slide towards the darkest hours of totalitarianism.

Cheers,
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3659 on: January 31, 2020, 11:42:18 pm »

The refusal of the Senate to hear witnesses marks the end of the US as a democracy.

I feel incredibly sorry for all my American friends and also for myself because this is symptomatic of a terrible global slide towards the darkest hours of totalitarianism.

Cheers,
Bernard

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