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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2580 on: December 29, 2019, 03:32:35 pm »

I'm pretty certain at some point in time it will come out that Trump farted in the oval office, and the Dems and the media will then be using this as an excuse for impeachment.

They'll need a recording of the fart, Joe, and if history is any guide, the FBI will be able to provide the recording.
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« Reply #2581 on: December 29, 2019, 04:16:25 pm »

They'll need a recording of the fart, Joe, and if history is any guide, the FBI will be able to provide the recording.

Audio?  Or video?
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2582 on: December 29, 2019, 04:17:39 pm »

They'll need a recording of the fart, Joe, and if history is any guide, the FBI will be able to provide the recording.

Well, his administration definitely stinks.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2583 on: December 29, 2019, 04:25:28 pm »

Audio?  Or video?

Video if the FBI can con the sleepy FISA court the way they did the last couple times, Peter.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2584 on: December 29, 2019, 04:44:35 pm »

I lose myself in the legal ins/outs of outing a whistleblower. Bottom line though, isn't it kind of a lousy thing to do regardless of whether it's actually technically legal or not? And I don't think it was the first time that the Pres has mentioned names in public. If I were in the employ of the US civil service, working on behalf of the country would seem a lot less noble to me under this administration.

Just curious to hear what the Trumpeteers out there have to say. Do you REALLY think that Trump is more important than the country? Isn't that kind of very shortsighted? I mean, in the end he's just another politician who will be gone in a while. The country and the citizens will remain. The politicians are just the guys that citizens hire for a while to do a job. I find this level of hero worship a bit silly, frankly.


The Democrats only care about covering up his identity because he's a Democrat.  They're afraid voters will see it a just another attempt at a political impeachment.  A phoney setup like the Democrat Clinton dossier.  Otherwise they wouldn't care a hoot about this guy.  That's why Trump wants this guy revealed and the Democrats want it kept quiet.  If you were the one accused, you'd want his identity known.  Defending oneself against secret testimony is done in secret courts like in the Soviet Union, not in America.  Especially when everyone agrees there are no laws that protect the guy's identity.  This is just spin from the anti-Trump press. 

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« Reply #2585 on: December 29, 2019, 04:53:23 pm »

The Democrats only care about covering up his identity because he's a Democrat.  They're afraid voters will see it a just another attempt at a political impeachment.  A phoney setup like the Democrat Clinton dossier.  Otherwise they wouldn't care a hoot about this guy.  That's why Trump wants this guy revealed and the Democrats want it kept quiet.  If you were the one accused, you'd want his identity known.  Defending oneself against secret testimony is done in secret courts like in the Soviet Union, not in America.  Especially when everyone agrees there are no laws that protect the guy's identity.  This is just spin from the anti-Trump press.
You guys sure are getting worked up about this.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2586 on: December 29, 2019, 04:58:59 pm »

According to the previously quoted Atlantic article, a president is forbidden to name the whistleblower's names. Below is an excerpt of another article on the same subject by CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/28/politics/trump-ukraine-whistleblower-twitter/index.html
Les, you haven;t read the other posts.  It's perfectly legal.  Otherwise anyone could make a political charge and protect themselves from cross-examination  by claiming whistleblower status.  Meanwhile the accused person's reputation can be destroyed and their legal rights stricken.  I don;t know how Canada works.  But that's not how America works.  If there's a trial in the Senate, the whistleblower's testimony will be paramount.  It was his claim that started the whole thing.  Any judge would require him to testify.

The judge will also require the Bidens to testify because their guilt or seeming guilt will justify Trump's call for an investigation.  That would make Trump innocent of all impeachment charges.  Of course, just like the whistleblower, the press is spinning Biden's testimony as unrelated to the impeachment charge.  That's ridiculous.  Because he just could be guilty of corruption and will have to deny or admit it publicly under oath.  So will Biden's son.  There's no way the Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts who will sit and adjudicate the Senate trial will let these two witnesses not testify.  He won't buy into the spin we get every day from the media.

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« Reply #2587 on: December 29, 2019, 05:04:47 pm »

You guys sure are getting worked up about this.
Frank, It's the Democrats who have impeached.  They've been worked up against Trump for three years.  :)

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« Reply #2588 on: December 29, 2019, 05:18:39 pm »

Frank, It's the Democrats who have impeached.  They've been worked up against Trump for three years.  :)
And yet they are not the ones losing it on LuLa.
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« Reply #2589 on: December 29, 2019, 05:20:59 pm »

And yet they are not the ones losing it on LuLa.
I think its the other way around with the people suffering from TDS.  The hysterics seem to come from the haters. 

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2590 on: December 29, 2019, 05:26:05 pm »

David Frum, who wrote the article, is a unrepentant neo-con who's never seen a war America should avoid.  For these reasons, he's been opposed to Trump since before he ran for president.  The President has a right to defend himself against attacks by anyone including a whistleblower.  The accused in America are allowed to face their accused.  The whistleblower can't hide behind secrecy laws when their accusations can cause a president to be impeached or for anyone to have to face criminal charges.   The purpose of the whistleblower law is to prevent the whistleblower's job from being terminated or facing discrimination by the government organization they work for.  It was not set up to prevent accused people from defending themselves nor to block their testimony in a civil or criminal trial or impeachment.

Pure ignorance, Alan. Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding and the same rules do not apply. No right to face accusers, no ban on hearsay evidence (not that there's a complete ban in criminal proceedings anyway), no right to call one's own witnesses, no right to have a lawyer present. If you insist on drawing a parallel with criminal proceedings, impeachment is like a grand jury. It is NOT a trial. At a criminal grand jury, the purported defendant has NOTHING to do with it and the proceedings are secret. The house's impeachment process has been wide open (as it should be) with dozens of Republicans participating, questioning witnesses, and with (limited) subpoena powers. So the GOP and Trump have nothing to whine about.

And if Trump is so interested in have the truth come out, why has he forbidden 4 aides from testifying? You and I both know the answer.
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« Reply #2591 on: December 29, 2019, 05:26:18 pm »

There's no way the Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts who will sit and adjudicate the Senate trial will let these two witnesses not testify.
So the Republicans are definitely going to call the Bidens? I thought McConnell wasn't going to call any witnesses. When did their strategy change?
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« Reply #2592 on: December 29, 2019, 05:41:10 pm »

The Democrats only care about covering up his identity because he's a Democrat.  They're afraid voters will see it a just another attempt at a political impeachment.  A phoney setup like the Democrat Clinton dossier.  Otherwise they wouldn't care a hoot about this guy.  That's why Trump wants this guy revealed and the Democrats want it kept quiet.  If you were the one accused, you'd want his identity known.  Defending oneself against secret testimony is done in secret courts like in the Soviet Union, not in America.  Especially when everyone agrees there are no laws that protect the guy's identity.  This is just spin from the anti-Trump press.

Alan, you seem determined to keep embarrassing yourself. The purported whistleblower is a woman. This is pretty indicative of how little you know about the whole situation.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2593 on: December 29, 2019, 06:02:29 pm »

So the Republicans are definitely going to call the Bidens? I thought McConnell wasn't going to call any witnesses. When did their strategy change?

No, McConnell (the chinless worm) has not changed his strategy, which is to avoid calling any witnesses who might throw any light on the issues at hand, just those that allow the GOP to go off on irrelevant tangents. 
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« Reply #2594 on: December 29, 2019, 06:54:07 pm »

Audio?  Or video?

For the best results, one would use thermal or infrared photography.

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Magnus Gålfalk of Linköping University explains that the camera works using infrared spectroscopy. Called "hyperspectral imaging," the method simultaneously captures a spectrum of infrared light for every pixel in a photo. Many gases absorb infrared light, Gålfalk says, not just methane (CH4). But the camera is fine-tuned to see the signature of methane gas.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/a-camera-that-sees-methane
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2595 on: December 29, 2019, 07:42:14 pm »

Right, Les. But it'll take a lot of lyin' to get the FISA court to buy that approach. But what the hell, the FBI's probably up to it.
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« Reply #2596 on: December 29, 2019, 08:05:57 pm »

Pure ignorance, Alan. Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding and the same rules do not apply. No right to face accusers, no ban on hearsay evidence (not that there's a complete ban in criminal proceedings anyway), no right to call one's own witnesses, no right to have a lawyer present. If you insist on drawing a parallel with criminal proceedings, impeachment is like a grand jury. It is NOT a trial. At a criminal grand jury, the purported defendant has NOTHING to do with it and the proceedings are secret. The house's impeachment process has been wide open (as it should be) with dozens of Republicans participating, questioning witnesses, and with (limited) subpoena powers. So the GOP and Trump have nothing to whine about.

And if Trump is so interested in have the truth come out, why has he forbidden 4 aides from testifying? You and I both know the answer.
I'm surprised you didn't suggest bringing back the rack and stretching Trump until he admitted his guilt and squealed for mercy.

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« Reply #2597 on: December 29, 2019, 08:09:24 pm »

Alan, you seem determined to keep embarrassing yourself. The purported whistleblower is a woman. This is pretty indicative of how little you know about the whole situation.
I didn't know because it was secret.  It seems you on the other hand have been snooping around and violating the law.

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« Reply #2598 on: December 29, 2019, 08:34:27 pm »

The hysterics seem to come from the haters.

Ha! You witnessed a Trump rally recently?
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« Reply #2599 on: December 29, 2019, 09:06:44 pm »

Ha! You witnessed a Trump rally recently?

Trump rallies seem rather mild to me.  Of course they're milder at Democrat rallies.  No one goes. 
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