Impeaching Donald Trump

[Alan Klein]

At the end of the day, Giuliani is going to take the fall for this whole mess and Trump will come out clean as a whistle, along with Biden going down with the ship. 

It's Trump M.O., find someone to blame.  Not that I think that is a particularly moral thing to do, but I pretty sure this is how this will work out.  And Giuliani has partly himself to blame; he is no longer the shrewd lawyer he use to be.  (I still cant believe this is the same Giuliani who took down the mob.) 

Then it will be Trump vs. Warren, and we all know how that will work out.  It will be another pick the lesser evil situation, and Trump is certainly the lesser evil in that choice. 

It came out the other day, many prominent Democratic donors told Schumer they will refuse to donate to any senate campaigns unless that senator specifically and publicly denounces Warren. 

It really appears both sides have a giant mess on their hands. 

I can't see Schumer denouncing Warren.  He'll support the Democratic candidate just as many Republicans supported Trump during the 2016 election.

If Biden goes down, the Democrats will only have themselves to blame.   They hate Trump so much, they're willing to sacrifice their most viable candidate to try to get him.  Notwithstanding what people say, it may be Trump who's playing chess while the Dems are playing checkers.  He took on the Republican and Democratic parties including the Clinton machine in 2016.  And won.  So he's had practice.  It's going to be an interesting year. 

[LesPalenik]

Then it will be Trump vs. Warren, and we all know how that will work out.  It will be another pick the lesser evil situation, and Trump is certainly the lesser evil in that choice. 

Based on the latest trends, it may well be Trump vs Buttigieg and that race could turn out quite interesting.

[James Clark]

Based on the latest trends, it may well be Trump vs Buttigieg and that race could turn out quite interesting.

Buttigieg has been my top (or close to top - I liked Harris as well) choice from the start.  It's great to see him start making some impact.

[Alan Klein]

Based on the latest trends, it may well be Trump vs Buttigieg and that race could turn out quite interesting.

I don't think Americans are yet ready for a first lady who's the president's husband. 

[JoeKitchen]

Based on the latest trends, it may well be Trump vs Buttigieg and that race could turn out quite interesting.

It would be interesting, but who are you listening to that it could be Buttigieg?  Because only Buttigieg has come out and said he is in the lead or close to it.  National polling has him in 7th right now.  Of course that could change, but just goes further to prove the point that all of the Dems are weak candidates. 

In a presidential race, when people keep on switching around on who the front runner is, it is obvious all of them are weak.  Same thing happened in 2012 with the Republicans.  A strong candidate asserts himself in the beginning and creates momentum, like Trump and Obama. 

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

He was? 

Not at all - Hunter Biden was placed on the board of a company because of who his father is.  That's not illegal, or even unusual.

Are you deliberately missing the fact that the prosecutor was removed for NOT investigating corruption?

Indeed, and it would be amazing if we hadn't already grown accustomed to such distortions of the truth by the Trumpettes ...

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Not true.  Trump was specifically and explicitly pressuring them to make a public statement that Hunter Biden was under investigation, despite the fact that the alleged underlying issues had already been investigated, and dismissed.  That serves no purpose except to harm a political opponent.

Yes, and the damage is done either way, wheter it's true or not. Such an obvious tactic.

Even amateur 'Ambassador' Sondland is no longer trying to deny knowledge of that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDxoaLcpVl0

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

I can't see Schumer denouncing Warren.  He'll support the Democratic candidate just as many Republicans supported Trump during the 2016 election.

If Biden goes down, the Democrats will only have themselves to blame.   They hate Trump so much, they're willing to sacrifice their most viable candidate to try to get him.

In your dreams. Biden was a very poor candidate, and now Trump has done the Democrats a favor by casting doubt on Biden's behavior.[/quote]

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Buttigieg has been my top (or close to top - I liked Harris as well) choice from the start.  It's great to see him start making some impact.

Actually he's an interesting candidate (has nuanced positions on difficult subjects and can present a coherent train of thoughts on a matter), but that's probably why he will not become the nominated candidate. It's more likely that as the campaigns progress and the number of candidates becomes smaller, the more extreme positions of Warren and Sanders will become more mainstream ones and more acceptable to a larger base.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

I don't think Americans are yet ready for a first lady who's the president's husband.

Not ready for lots of things. That too.

Living in denial, and getting even seems to be more important to a segment of voters.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

A funny fact:

The Democratic party has tried to impeach every Republican president since Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Now, the usual domestic terrorist organizations (a.k.a. fact checkers) labeled this claim "mostly false." Their explanation:

What's True
Articles of impeachment were introduced against five of the six Republican presidents who have served since President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

So, 5 out of 6, or 83% correct, justifies "mostly false" instead of "mostly true"!?  The only one they didn't try to impeach is Gerald Ford, an unelected president anyway, and mostly because he served only 2.5 years, not enough time to fabricate the reason for impeachment, I guess.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dems-impeach-gop-presidents/

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I don't think Americans are yet ready for a first lady who's the president's husband. 

Imagine bumper stickers:

Mary Buttplug for President!

[JoeKitchen]

Not ready for lots of things. That too.

Living in denial, and getting even seems to be more important to a segment of voters.

I would say living in denial that Warren could actually be voted in as president is an equally big flaw of the left.  As I said before, even the NYTs admitted this week Warren is unelectable. 

[JoeKitchen]

A funny fact:

The Democratic party has tried to impeach every Republican president since Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Now, the usual domestic terrorist organizations (a.k.a. fact checkers) labeled this claim "mostly false." Their explanation:

So, 5 out of 6, or 83% correct, justifies "mostly false" instead of "mostly true"!?  The only one they didn't try to impeach is Gerald Ford, an unelected president anyway, and mostly because he served only 2.5 years, not enough time to fabricate the reason for impeachment, I guess.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dems-impeach-gop-presidents/

Make me think about the AOC image of her crying in front of an empty parking lot.

It was deemed false because ... it was actually an empty road.  LOL

[Robert Roaldi]

I don't think Americans are yet ready for a first lady who's the president's husband.

I would have thought the same thing until they elected the current title holder.  If a guy who pushed the birther thing for that long and can still hold the religious right's support after grabbing pussy can get elected, all bets are off, I'd say.

But on the more general theme, if liberty, freedom, privacy and the pursuit of happiness are so important to Americans, why would anyone think it's any of their business who others have sex with. It's a puzzling thing. It's possible that people don't truly understand what freedom means.

[Robert Roaldi]

Imagine bumper stickers:

Mary Buttplug for President!

A bit adolescent but not unexpected.

[LesPalenik]

It would be interesting, but who are you listening to that it could be Buttigieg?  Because only Buttigieg has come out and said he is in the lead or close to it.  National polling has him in 7th right now.  Of course that could change, but just goes further to prove the point that all of the Dems are weak candidates. 

In a presidential race, when people keep on switching around on who the front runner is, it is obvious all of them are weak.  Same thing happened in 2012 with the Republicans.  A strong candidate asserts himself in the beginning and creates momentum, like Trump and Obama.

Iowa Democratic Presidental Caucus - Nov 5, 2019 polls:
Warren - 21.8, Buttigieg - 17.5, Sanders - 15.8

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html

[JoeKitchen]

Iowa Democratic Presidental Caucus - Nov 5, 2019 polls:
Warren - 21.8, Buttigieg - 17.5, Sanders - 15.8

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html

Okay, so in Iowa he is doing decent.  But in other states not so much.  National polling shows him at 7th currently. 

When he starts creeping higher into the top 3 in national polling, let me know. 

[Alan Goldhammer]

I didn't know Senator McConnell was running for president.

Don't you want to root out corruption in all parts of the US Government.  You've already gone after Adam Schiff.

[Alan Klein]

Iowa Democratic Presidental Caucus - Nov 5, 2019 polls:
Warren - 21.8, Buttigieg - 17.5, Sanders - 15.8

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html

Where's Biden?