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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1100 on: November 05, 2019, 04:08:02 pm »

Poor, pathetic Lindsey:

Lindsey GrahamSC on 9/25:

"If you're looking for a circumstance where Donald Trump was threatening the Ukraine with cutting off aid unless they investigated his political opponent, you'd be very disappointed. That does not exist."
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1101 on: November 05, 2019, 04:54:24 pm »

Well, than Americans can vote him out of office in the 2020 election if they don;t like what he's doing or his policies.  We don;t fire Presidents midstream in their term in the US.  We're not a parliamentary government.  In any case, the country is doing great under his leadership. You may not like his style. But substance is what counts.

The Americans voted Trump "out" in 2016 by a large margin. The idiotic electoral college system voted him "in."

Country doing great? Please. The economic boom that Trump inherited started in 2010. So now we have the environment being screwed, migrants being put in concentration camps, American citizens being deported, allies being abandoned, the deficit blossoming, incompetent schmucks heading most branches of government, a trade war threatening the world economy, almost the entire GOP becoming sycophantic toadies, a perjuring rapist appointed to the supreme count, science being ignored, white supremacists being supported, daily--nay, hourly--lies from the White House, the military disrespected ……..

And you say the country is doing great?
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1102 on: November 05, 2019, 05:11:10 pm »

The Americans voted Trump "out" in 2016 by a large margin. The idiotic electoral college system voted him "in."

Country doing great? Please. The economic boom that Trump inherited started in 2010. So now we have the environment being screwed, migrants being put in concentration camps, American citizens being deported, allies being abandoned, the deficit blossoming, incompetent schmucks heading most branches of government, a trade war threatening the world economy, almost the entire GOP becoming sycophantic toadies, a perjuring rapist appointed to the supreme count, science being ignored, white supremacists being supported, daily--nay, hourly--lies from the White House, the military disrespected ……..

And you say the country is doing great?

Well, we know how you feel.  Now don't forget to vote.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1103 on: November 05, 2019, 05:12:01 pm »

The Americans voted Trump "out" in 2016 by a large margin. The idiotic electoral college system voted him "in."

Country doing great? Please. The economic boom that Trump inherited started in 2010. So now we have the environment being screwed, migrants being put in concentration camps, American citizens being deported, allies being abandoned, the deficit blossoming, incompetent schmucks heading most branches of government, a trade war threatening the world economy, almost the entire GOP becoming sycophantic toadies, a perjuring rapist appointed to the supreme count, science being ignored, white supremacists being supported, daily--nay, hourly--lies from the White House, the military disrespected ……..

And you say the country is doing great?

Well, Peter, when you put it like that... I am finally converted!

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1104 on: November 05, 2019, 05:21:21 pm »

Thank you, Mr. President!

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1105 on: November 05, 2019, 05:32:19 pm »

Slobodan,

Nothing here, in any way, points definitively to Clinton. But you did. There are probably more people who would have a reason to kill Epstein than residents in the town I live in, and it isn't that small. I wouldn't be surprised if there were just as many Republicans as Democrats.

It is an incident made for conspiracy theories, on both sides.

It is a travesty that this guy skated for so long. Anyone involved should be held to account no matter their affiliation or how powerful they are.

Are you really against suppression of the press and stories of criminal behavior, or is it just when you think a Democrat is involved? Cause you seem to be fine with suppression of evidence in a current case we are discussing in this thread.

 
Listen to Amy Robach, ABC News anchor, on Epstein story and how it was suppressed for years.

She also said she is 100% convinced he did not commit suicide.

https://www.facebook.com/UnbiasedAmerica/videos/2587659368019327/UzpfSTc2NjU5NzIyMjoxMDE1ODIxNzEzMDQyNzIyMw/

Or:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lfwkTsJGYA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3D-p2DhMcwf7w3Kd3Hiy5SrI3qfMRcVHxggNj5naXIoCcmLbqdsg2y2Dw
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1106 on: November 05, 2019, 05:40:49 pm »

Did you come in the mid 90's during the big spike?

Thank you, Mr. President!
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1107 on: November 05, 2019, 09:28:35 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjiGhE0QYl8

Trump's side guys are starting to share the truth... they must be realizing that those on the wrong side may end up in jail.

Now that even hard core Republican witnesses clearly admit the quid pro quo, are you forum Trump lovers going to claim that a quid pro quo isn’t a violation of the constitution OR that Trump can violate the constitution when he pleases?

The smart one may of course drop their apparently unconditional support as well of course.

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Bernard
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1108 on: November 05, 2019, 09:55:38 pm »

Thank you, Mr. President!

In a general sense, I'm having a lot of trouble with the idea that denying refugees sanctuary is something to be proud of.
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« Reply #1109 on: November 05, 2019, 10:38:28 pm »

His mom had very good manners. She taught Slobodan to always close the door behind him.

In a general sense, I'm having a lot of trouble with the idea that denying refugees sanctuary is something to be proud of.
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« Reply #1110 on: November 05, 2019, 10:42:08 pm »

In a general sense, I'm having a lot of trouble with the idea that denying refugees sanctuary is something to be proud of.
The question is who is a political refugee and who is an immigrant?  Wanting to earn money by coming to America is not considered a refugee but rather an economic refugee or economic immigrant.  These people are allowed in legally through a process where one million people come to America.  But sneaking across the border does not make them an legal political refugee.  The courts have to determine if they're an political refugee.  THis seems to be a reasonable way of handling it.  Otherwise, we could have millions of foreigners entering the country every year from around the world for any reason whatsoever.  After all, a lot of people would like to come to America and get its benefits that it offers.  The people have determined that one million is a reasonable amount for now.

PS  I may be using the wrong terms.  But I think you get my point. 

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« Reply #1111 on: November 05, 2019, 10:42:53 pm »

His mom had very good manners. She taught Slobodan to always close the door behind him.

That's a personal attack.  Just make your point without the smear. 

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1112 on: November 05, 2019, 11:35:41 pm »

His mom had very good manners. She taught Slobodan to always close the door behind him.

Leave my late mother alone, please.

For what it’s worth, I have not come here as a refugee.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1113 on: November 05, 2019, 11:39:01 pm »

In a general sense, I'm having a lot of trouble with the idea that denying refugees sanctuary is something to be proud of.

If that prevents more Jihadi Janes reaching the Congress, I am very proud of it. As for the rest, Alan already explained that probably 80-90% of “refugees” are not real refugees at all.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1114 on: November 05, 2019, 11:46:28 pm »

In a general sense, I'm having a lot of trouble with the idea that denying refugees sanctuary is something to be proud of.

Speaking of sanctuaries:

https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/04/montgomery-county-backpedals-sanctuary-policy/

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1115 on: November 06, 2019, 12:02:16 am »

...Now that even hard core Republican witnesses clearly admit the quid pro quo...

Anything but “clearly.” First, he changed his story.. “refreshed” his memory. He didn’t admit anything, other than what he thought. His opinions might be interesting, but they are just that, opinions, not proofs. Even then, what he actually said he conveyed to his Ukrainian counterpart is that the aid might be (note the conditional) linked to corruption issues. Exactly the same phrase Biden used for his demands: “you won’t get aid unless you tackle corruption.” Except Biden was quite specific, not just corruption in general, but firing a prosecutor who investigated the company his son was a bore member of.  The rest of the ambassador’s testimony are simply his conjectures what was meant by “corruption.”

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« Reply #1116 on: November 06, 2019, 12:11:45 am »

Anything but “clearly.” First, he changed his story.. “refreshed” his memory. He didn’t admit anything, other than what he thought. His opinions might be interesting, but they are just that, opinions, not proofs. Even then, what he actually said he conveyed to his Ukrainian counterpart is that the aid might be (note the conditional) linked to corruption issues. Exactly the same phrase Biden used for his demands: “you won’t get aid unless you tackle corruption.” Except Biden was quite specific, not just corruption in general, but firing a prosecutor who investigated the company his son was a bore member of.  The rest of the ambassador’s testimony are simply his conjectures what was meant by “corruption.”
Well, once the Democrats finish impeaching Trump, they'll go ahead an impeach Biden too.  Maybe they'll share a cell together?  Then Pence could pardon both of them after he becomes president.  All constitutional, of course.   

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1117 on: November 06, 2019, 12:15:35 am »

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters,"

Donald Trump, Sioux City Iowa, January 23, 2016

Anything but “clearly.” First, he changed his story.. “refreshed” his memory. He didn’t admit anything, other than what he thought. His opinions might be interesting, but they are just that, opinions, not proofs. Even then, what he actually said he conveyed to his Ukrainian counterpart is that the aid might be (note the conditional) linked to corruption issues. Exactly the same phrase Biden used for his demands: “you won’t get aid unless you tackle corruption.” Except Biden was quite specific, not just corruption in general, but firing a prosecutor who investigated the company his son was a bore member of.  The rest of the ambassador’s testimony are simply his conjectures what was meant by “corruption.”
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1118 on: November 06, 2019, 12:37:22 am »

Anything but “clearly.” First, he changed his story.. “refreshed” his memory. He didn’t admit anything, other than what he thought. His opinions might be interesting, but they are just that, opinions, not proofs. Even then, what he actually said he conveyed to his Ukrainian counterpart is that the aid might be (note the conditional) linked to corruption issues. Exactly the same phrase Biden used for his demands: “you won’t get aid unless you tackle corruption.” Except Biden was quite specific, not just corruption in general, but firing a prosecutor who investigated the company his son was a bore member of.  The rest of the ambassador’s testimony are simply his conjectures what was meant by “corruption.”

Your explanation isn't factual at 2 levels:
1. He completely clearly admitted the Quid Pro Quo and the fact that he lied before about it changes nothing. You may have heard about this thing called time that can't be reversed. What you say after overrules what you said before in the physical world we live in
2. The request to fire the procuror in Ukraine was a joined action from Biden, the world bank and the european union and if Biden did something wrong, he should go to jail for it... but if he had the Republicans would have gone after him a long time ago, not that I care

It's going to be fun watching your arguments in the coming days and weeks, because the extend to which you need to twist the facts to maintain your views on things becomes astonishing Slobodan.

Wouldn't it be more reasonable to just give up on supporting Trump?

I know we've grown in a fanboy mentality and we something thing we need to associate ourselves with brands but really, what has Trump done for you that deserves him your unconditional support? I have just bought a Sony a7rIV as an attempt to demonstrate to you that change can happen! Do I need to add an a9II to convince you? ;)

Cheers,
Bernard
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« Reply #1119 on: November 06, 2019, 12:47:38 am »

Oh well then, that changes everything.

You are totally not a hypocrite now.  ::)

For what it’s worth, I have not come here as a refugee.
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