Impeaching Donald Trump

[LesPalenik]

That was my point, and I think, that's a definite and a very realistic possibility.

[ah693973]

Did I say something wrong?

Sorry, I guess the cult talk is verboten for some reason?

After this, there is really no point in engaging in a debate with you.

[ah693973]

Who are you? Tell me where I am wrong. You started out accusing me of getting talking points from CNN/MSNBC.

Are you the victim now?

OK. You pre-judged me without knowing who I really am.  That's unfortunate.  Now I know who you are.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Could happen, you think?

Just after the election, Dems were desperately hoping that the electors would rebel and vote based on their conscience. Didn't happen. Then came Mueller. Hoping for two whole years there will be a smoking gun. Didn't happen. Now they are hoping the impeachment will bring him down. That 20 out of 57 Republican senators are going to vote against Trump. Two Democratic members of the House already voted against impeachment, so chances are that not all Senate Dems or the two independents would vote for it. So, again, ain't gonna happen. But please keep hoping. It keeps you young

[Peter McLennan]

After this, there is really no point in engaging in a debate with you.

Awwwww...

[Alan Klein]

That wouldn't be very smart.

It wouldn't be very smart if Republican Senators throw Trump under the bus. 

[Alan Klein]

I doubt Scaramucci could find his ass with both hands and a flashlight, much less accurately assess "rumblings."

Here is something that has occurred to me. What if the impeachment proceedings, whatever your attitude toward them, make it appear that Trump will be a sure loser in 2020, even with a weak Democratic candidate. I think that's possible, because, let's face it, Trump is both a psycho and a criminal and I think that's about to be proven. (I say that somewhat tongue in cheek, to provoke, but I also happen to think that it's true -- but I'm not looking at a response to that.) If it looks like Trump is going down, and maybe going down big, why wouldn't the Senate Republicans make a simple calculation -- they find a relatively upstanding candidate (not Pence, who has all the charisma of a tennis shoe) and then go ahead and convict Trump, to clear the way for a conservative candidate who'd almost certainly beat the weak-ass Democrats and preserve the White House and Senate as Republican (and conservative) preserves? Or, better yet, send a delegation to Trump to tell him that he's going down, so he can magnanimously announce that it's time to stop the partisan warfare, and to prove his sincerity, he either resigns or announces that he won't be a candidate in 2020. If he did that, the Senate would acquit, for sure, but the Republicans would get a sane candidate, and Trump could go back to his golf courses and probably being a Fox TV star, which I''m pretty sure he'd like more than he likes being President. Could happen, you think?

Trump isn't a Republican or cares about the Republican party.  He'll take them down with him.  He doesn;t surrender. He takes prisoners.  Haven't you learned anything about Trump in three years?  When he faced bankruptcy, he told the banks to give him even more money or they'd go down with him.  So the banks gave him more money and kept their fingers crossed.  Politicians are no different than bankers.

[James Clark]

Trump isn't a Republican or cares about the Republican party.  He'll take them down with him.  He doesn;t surrender. He takes prisoners.  Haven't you learned anything about Trump in three years?  When he faced bankruptcy, he told the banks to give him even more money or they'd go down with him.  So the banks gave him more money and kept their fingers crossed.  Politicians are no different than bankers.

I think the most disturbing part about him is that people of good conscience like you KNOW he's a con artist, a liar, and an asshole, yet you continue to support him because he's YOUR con artist, liar, and asshole.  That's not right.

[LesPalenik]

It wouldn't be very smart if Republican Senators throw Trump under the bus.

It's not so much throwing Trump under the bus as salvaging the situation. 

[Alan Klein]

I think the most disturbing part about him is that people of good conscience like you KNOW he's a con artist, a liar, and an asshole, yet you continue to support him because he's YOUR con artist, liar, and asshole.  That's not right.

Yes.  He may be a bastard president.  But he's our bastard president.

[Alan Klein]

It's not so much throwing Trump under the bus as salvaging the situation. 

See my reply #1066.

[ah693973]

Yes James, they revel in it. It is so thrilling to finally not be the victim. To have someone stand up for them and their wrongly oppressed brethren.

They are so angry at what has happened to their country. Not ours, theirs. It makes them happy if we don't like it. For we are not real Americans.

I know, sounds friggin crazy. But watch Hannity, Pirro, Carlson, Levin, or ingraham. You will see all those themes/narratives over and over again. And you will see it repeated by their viewers. I fear for our country and others in similar situations.

Yes.  He may be a bastard president.  But he's our bastard president.

[LesPalenik]

Yes.  He may be a bastard president.  But he's our bastard president.

That's a very sad rationalization. Some sixty years ago, a similar sanctification was made about another psycho and it didn't end well.

[Alan Klein]

That's a very sad rationalization. Some sixty years ago, a similar sanctification was made about another psycho and it didn't end well.

You're over assuming my point which I made blunt for impact. Calling him a psycho is just a lot of hyperbole about a guy you don't like. Yes Trump is tough, and looks after number one and his country.    But that's what we need in a president.  The US president is President of America not the world.  His first job is to protect the country not make political points with other two-timing leaders of other countries.   He has to deal with the likes of Xi and Kim, al Baghdadi, and the rest of some of humanity's most unsavory people. It's not a job for the queasy.  He has to know how to give it back not like our previous president who was feckless and wanted the world to love him. and got taken advantage of.  Presidents are not running rectories.  They have to be tough in a tough world.  He's not naive.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

It's not so much throwing Trump under the bus as salvaging the situation. 

What is there to salvage? Economy is great, employment historically low, stock market historically high, illegal immigration down, wages up, ISIS decimated, gas prices low (sorry CA), water and air cleaner than ever, etc. What exactly is there to salvage?

[Alan Klein]

What is there to salvage? Economy is great, employment historically low, stock market historically high, illegal immigration down, wages up, ISIS decimated, gas prices low (sorry CA), water and air cleaner than ever, etc. What exactly is there to salvage?

+1  The Republicans have to start boosting the good news about America.  The problem is impeachment is sucking all the oxygen out of the room.  This won't end until after the trial in the Senate.  Then everyone can get back to the election and discuss other stuff like the economy.

Maybe. 

[ah693973]

America. They could salvage America.

What is there to salvage? Economy is great, employment historically low, stock market historically high, illegal immigration down, wages up, ISIS decimated, gas prices low (sorry CA), water and air cleaner than ever, etc. What exactly is there to salvage?

[LesPalenik]

What is there to salvage? Economy is great, employment historically low, stock market historically high, illegal immigration down, wages up, ISIS decimated, gas prices low (sorry CA), water and air cleaner than ever, etc. What exactly is there to salvage?

Salvaging the impending impeachment situation and sinking Republican chances in the next election.

[Alan Klein]

Salvaging the impending impeachment situation and sinking Republican chances in the next election.

Les, you didn't read my post. 1088.  The way to salvage it is to circle the wagons and defend Trump against Democrat perfidy. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

....  The problem is impeachment is sucking all the oxygen out of the room....

And how quickly we forgot how the Clintons suicided yet another threat to them and their friends