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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2560 on: May 10, 2017, 05:31:32 am »

If only Trump would appoint someone that both sides respect.  Firing the person investigating you is not usually a good move.

Indeed, the timing is also most awkward. I was a bit surprised to see the termination letter to Comey specifically appreciating that on three occasions he had mentioned that Trump is not under investigation. What has that to do with things? Or is that the thing, the investigations are getting too close?

Mind you, I do not think that Comey's public appearances made a very good impression, but I do not know how he ran the bureau's affairs internally. Maybe it's a good thing to replace him, but the timing is strange, to say the least.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2561 on: May 10, 2017, 06:40:40 am »

I don't think Comey conducted himself appropriately as the head of the FBI.

I think the way Trump fired him was disrespectful, but that's not exactly unexpected of Trump.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2562 on: May 10, 2017, 07:00:08 am »

"He doesn't know anything.."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/08/donald-trumps-ignorance-evident-by-the-day?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Imagine if Hilary had won and had this many scandals 100+ days into her term. The other side would be apoplectic!

Large swaths of the american middle class have been left to fend for themselves, and it all started with Reagan and the crazy notion that the wealthy weren't being rewarded enough. Well, they fixed that problem alright. Too bad about the 30 year long stagnation in middle incomes. I cannot blame them for being ticked off and expressing themselves at the polls. The question is who do they turn to next, because Trump isn't on their side either. And who will the Republicans turn to next?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2563 on: May 10, 2017, 09:44:06 am »

If only Trump would appoint someone that both sides respect.  Firing the person investigating you is not usually a good move.
The problem is not that Comey had anything on Trump.  He admitted he didn't.  The problem is Trump wants the FBI to reveal who unmasked him and others in his Administration and illegally revealed it to the newspapers.  Comey's been sitting on that which is unfairly hurting Trump.  I suspect Trump will get someone in there to get to the bottom of these issues.  Also, Comey showed he's a loose cannon who only follows his own compass.  He doesn't have respect for regular procedures and law.  Considering what he did to Clinton, why would anyone want this man investigating them? 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2564 on: May 10, 2017, 10:51:25 am »

The problem is not that Comey had anything on Trump.  He admitted he didn't.

But he possibly did on some of Trump's campaign team, and on Flynn, Manafort?, Kushner Companies??, and ...?

He even has the Russians laughing: "Was he fired? You're kidding": Lavrov on Comey
http://www.reuters.com/video/2017/05/10/was-he-fired-youre-kidding-lavrov-on-com?videoId=371647667&videoChannel=1003

Again, it may be a good decision in the long term (or not) for the FBI, but the timing??????
Assuming this was not something impulsive, who's the replacement? Or is he only now starting to think about having someone in charge of that important organization?

FBI in turmoil over Comey firing, scramble on for new chief
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-comey-succession-idUSKBN18606G

"The FBI was reeling after President Donald Trump unexpectedly fired its director James Comey, with agency staff scheduling an emergency high-level meeting for Tuesday night amid speculation about who would replace Comey in the top job.

An FBI official, who was not authorized to speak to reporters and so asked not to be identified, said the staff meeting would explore next steps for the law-enforcement agency.

Trump sacked Comey amidst a probe into the Trump 2016 presidential campaign's possible collusion with Russia to influence the election outcome, sparking backlash from some Democrats in Congress who said the decision had the appearance of a cover-up and some Republicans who called the timing troubling.

The official said the FBI had no idea the Trump administration was considering dismissing Comey and the news “took even top officials by surprise.”"


Cheers,
Bart
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2565 on: May 10, 2017, 11:10:28 am »

I wonder how soon Comey's book will be coming out?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2566 on: May 10, 2017, 04:07:44 pm »

Well, Nixon shot himself in the foot by firing Archibald Cox, we'll see what firing Comey does for the Trump team  8)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2567 on: May 10, 2017, 04:22:35 pm »

FBI chief aimed to expand Russia probe before Trump fired him:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-comey-replacement-idUSKBN1861HK

"FBI Director James Comey sought to expand his agency's probe into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election days before President Donald Trump fired him on Tuesday, a congressional source said on Wednesday.

With the Republican president facing a storm of criticism from many Democrats and some lawmakers in his own party, the Trump administration accused Comey of "atrocities" on the job and denied his firing was related to the FBI investigation into the Trump 2016 presidential campaign's possible collusion with Moscow to sway the election.

The ouster stunned Washington and plunged Trump deeper into a controversy over his campaign's alleged ties with Russia that has dogged the early days of his presidency."


And further down the report:

"A congressional source with knowledge of the matter said Comey told lawmakers within the past few days that he had asked the Justice Department for more funding for the Russia probe. Comey informed lawmakers of that request after the Senate intelligence committee had asked the FBI to speed up its Russia inquiry, the source said.

Democrat Dianne Feinstein, the leading Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters she understood that Comey was seeking more resources for the FBI investigation.

"We know that there are subpoenas being requested in the Eastern District of Virginia, and that this investigation has been going on," Feinstein told reporters.

She said she met with Comey on March 15 along with Republican Senator Chuck Grassley. At the time Comey said it was "a big counter-intelligence and criminal investigation," Feinstein said. "


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Bart
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2568 on: May 10, 2017, 06:12:17 pm »

Comeys' greatest "crime" is that he's independent - as he's supposed to be.  You generally know that when both sides of politics are unhappy that someone is doing their job properly.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2569 on: May 10, 2017, 07:44:39 pm »

Comeys' greatest "crime" is that he's independent - as he's supposed to be.  You generally know that when both sides of politics are unhappy that someone is doing their job properly.

As events are developing, it looks like a completely failed opportunistic attempt at killing several birds with one stone.

Democrats were not happy with the way Comey 'interfered' with the final stages of Hillary's campaign (BTW Trump was happy, praising Comey at the time!). Republicans are not happy with what might be revealed by the ongoing investigations of collusion between Trump associates and Russia. In Trump's simple reality, slaughter the person in charge of both activities, and reap praise from both sides...

Normally, one would have then invited Comey to the White House and give him the dismissal message and letter.

Instead, an email was prepared to let the press do the work of spreading the news. As Comey was traveling to give a speech in Los Angeles, the news that he had been fired reached him through the media. However, the email was never sent, so as Comey flew back to the East, the news preceded the prepared email offensive. That also kind of derailed the staged WH lawn press meeting (press gathered, lights blazing, anticipation rising), and caught Spicer, Conway, and Huckabee Sanders, totally off guard.

What then unfolded was a game of hide-and-seek, Spicer hiding in the bushes trying to figure out what went wrong, lights being turned off inside the WH to conceal the three spokespersons having a short meeting to discuss how to proceed, cameras had to be turned off for an informal press gathering, and then the message was shared with the press. By then, the whole operation had already backfired.

The net effect, people (correctly) second-guessing the motives for the poorly timed activities, and a call for even more investigations, not less (since Comey had recently requested more resources for uncovering recent findings that his bureau considered important).

Comey infuriated Trump with refusal to preview Senate testimony: aides
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-comey-decision-idUSKBN1862WP

"The anger behind Donald Trump's firing of FBI Director James Comey on Tuesday had been building for months, but a turning point came when Comey refused to preview for top Trump aides his planned testimony to a Senate panel, White House officials said.

Trump, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had wanted a heads-up from Comey about what he would say at a May 3 hearing about his handling of an investigation into former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server.

When Comey refused, Trump and his aides considered that an act of insubordination and it was one of the catalysts to Trump’s decision this week to fire the FBI director, the officials said.

"It gave the impression that he was no longer capable of carrying out his duties," one official said. Previews of congressional testimony to superiors are generally considered courteous.

Comey, who testified for four hours before the Senate Judiciary Committee, said it made him feel "mildly nauseous" that his decision to make public his reopening of a probe into Clinton's handling of classified information might have affected the outcome of the Nov. 8 presidential election. But he said he had no regrets and would make the same decision again.

Trump's sudden firing of Comey shocked Washington and plunged Trump deeper into a controversy over his campaign's alleged ties with Russia that has dogged the early days of his presidency."


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Bart
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2570 on: May 10, 2017, 08:33:45 pm »

... Normally, one would have then invited Comey to the White House and give him the dismissal message and letter.

Instead, an email was prepared to let the press do the work of spreading the news. As Comey was traveling to give a speech in Los Angeles, the news that he had been fired reached him through the media...

Totally not cool.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2571 on: May 10, 2017, 08:43:37 pm »

Totally not cool.

Like nearly everything else attached to this character.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2572 on: May 10, 2017, 08:52:12 pm »

The Guardian maintains a live news feed into the developing debacle:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/may/10/donald-trump-fires-fbi-director-james-comey-reaction-live

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2573 on: May 11, 2017, 01:03:50 am »

Actually, Comey's firing isn't really the big news today...

Ambassador Kislyak and President Trump / Посол С.Кисляк и Президент Д.Трамп


The above is from the Official Russian Embassy Twitter feed

So, one of the principle "bad actors" in the whole Russian story met with Trump in the Whitehouse today...and why do we have this picture? Because the Whitehouse banned the US press pool journalists and photographers but let in the Russian press photographers...

The Whitehouse banned the US photographers but allowed the Russians.

Think on that for a while....

Here's the story Trump's meeting with Russians closed to U.S. media, but not to TASS photographer

We did get to see Trump meet with Henry Kissinger today...I suspect the irony was lost on the big orange one...



But it set some tongues wagging'

And then Henry Kissinger walks in...: 24 hours in the Donald Trump circus

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(CNN)Donald Trump promised a White House like no other when he pulled the biggest upset in presidential history to become the 44th man to hold the job. Man has he delivered.

From his Twitter feed to his dinner guests (Ted Nugent, Kid Rock and Sarah Palin -- all in one night!), the Trump White House has looked, and run, like nothing we've ever seen before.

But, even by Trump's standards, the last 24 hours has been surreal. In fact, the last day feels more like a reality TV show -- storyline twists and turns, surprise guest appearances -- than it does anything resembling a semi-normal day in political Washington.

Let's start with the present moment and then rewind.

The White House press pool was called into the Oval Office just before noon eastern time for what they expected to be a photo op between Trump and Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov since the two men were scheduled to huddle earlier today.

But it wasn't Lavrov they found sitting with the president! It was Henry Kissinger, best known for his role as Secretary of State to President Richard Nixon!

Reporters asked Trump about the firing of FBI Director James Comey. Trump responded, briefly, that Comey was simply "not doing a good job." It was apparently lost on Trump that the last 16 hours had been dominated by comparisons between Nixon's "Saturday Night Massacre" -- where he jettisoned the independent counsel investigating Watergate -- and Trump's decision to part ways with Comey. Either that or Trump was pulling the greatest troll move ever by having Kissinger there when he took his first questions from reporters about the Comey firing. (I'm not ready to rule that option out.)



So, you think Trump did it on purpose?

Yeah, me neither...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2574 on: May 11, 2017, 01:34:59 am »

So, fire Comey for the way he handled Hillary?

Yeah, not so much...seems Comey pissed of the big orange one




Inside Trump’s anger and impatience — and his sudden decision to fire Comey


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Every time FBI Director James B. Comey appeared in public, an ever-watchful President Trump grew increasingly agitated that the topic was the one that he was most desperate to avoid: Russia.

Trump had long questioned Comey’s loyalty and judgment, and was infuriated by what he viewed as the director’s lack of action in recent weeks on leaks from within the federal government. By last weekend, he had made up his mind: Comey had to go.

At his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., Trump groused over Comey’s latest congressional testimony, which he thought was “strange,” and grew impatient with what he viewed as his sanctimony, according to White House officials. Comey, Trump figured, was using the Russia probe to become a martyr.

Back at work Monday morning in Washington, Trump told Vice President Pence and several senior aides — Reince Priebus, Stephen K. Bannon and Donald McGahn, among others — that he was ready to move on Comey. First, though, he wanted to talk with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, his trusted confidant, and Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein, to whom Comey reported directly. Trump summoned the two of them to the White House for a meeting, according to a person close to the White House.

The president already had decided to fire Comey, according to this person. But in the meeting, several White House officials said Trump gave Sessions and Rosenstein a directive: to explain in writing the case against Comey.

The pair quickly fulfilled the boss’s orders, and the next day Trump fired Comey — a breathtaking move that thrust a White House already accustomed to chaos into a new level of tumult, one that has legal as well as political consequences.

Rosenstein threatened to resign after the narrative emerging from the White House on Tuesday evening cast him as a prime mover of the decision to fire Comey and that the president acted only on his recommendation, said the person close to the White House, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2575 on: May 11, 2017, 02:03:38 am »

And then this...

President Trump's Approval Rating Has Dropped to a Near-Record Low

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President Donald Trump's approval rating has fallen to a near record low with significant losses among white voters with no college degree, white men and independent voters, a new poll has found.

The survey, conducted by Quinnipiac University among nationwide participants, found that Trump has a 36% approval rating compared to 58% who disapprove of him. The number is down from Quinnipiac's April 19 poll, which found a 40% approval rating, and just 1% higher than his lowest-ever rating since he became president.

Key among those declines were groups that strongly advocated for his election. Approval among white voters with no college degree fell 10 points from 57% to 47% since April 19. White men went from a 53% approval to a 48% approval in that same time.

"There is no way to spin or sugarcoat these sagging numbers," Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a statement.

And that's before the CBO releases the GOP healthcare bill's score in two weeks...it's gonna hit Trump voters really hard.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2576 on: May 11, 2017, 07:17:34 am »

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2578 on: May 12, 2017, 12:42:02 am »

The big orange dummy just invented Keynesian economics...how cool is that? (Not very–it's actually very sad)

Donald Trump Tries to Explain Economics to The Economist. Hilarity Ensues.


Donald Trump, economic genius.
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But beyond that it’s OK if the tax plan increases the deficit?

It is OK, because it won’t increase it for long. You may have two years where you’ll … you understand the expression “prime the pump”?

Yes.

We have to prime the pump.

It’s very Keynesian.

We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world. Have you heard that expression before, for this particular type of an event?

Priming the pump?

Yeah, have you heard it?

Yes.

Have you heard that expression used before? Because I haven’t heard it. I mean, I just … I came up with it a couple of days ago and I thought it was good. It’s what you have to do.

It’s …

Yeah, what you have to do is you have to put something in before you can get something out.

Oh boy...and he's the leader of the free world (for the time being anyway).

For your reading/laughing pleasure Transcript: Interview with Donald Trump
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2579 on: May 12, 2017, 01:09:34 am »

Well, at least he gets ice-cream...

Trump gets 2 scoops of ice cream, everyone else gets 1 -- and other top lines from his Time interview

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Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump is living every child's dream: More ice cream.



According to an extensive interview with TIME Magazine, Trump's White House staff has settled into Trump's routine and know his desires, sometimes before he does. For example: Trump takes two scoops of ice cream with his chocolate cream pie, TIME reported, while everyone else around the table gets just one.

In the interview published Thursday, Trump also expanded on his view of Russian hacking during the 2016 election, refuted reports that he is unhappy with his current national security adviser and took a level of blame for his combative administration.

But, more than anything, Trump gave TIME a window into some of the oddities that make his White House unlike any in modern history, including the traits that make Trump tick.

The Times interview is a good read but of interest is the cover story: A TIME Exclusive: Donald Trump After Hours


Photograph by Benjamin Rasmussen for TIME

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From where the 45th President works, eats and sleeps, everything is going just great. Now if only everyone else would see it that way.
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