Trump II

[Rob C]

Most of it.  Didn't seem nuts to me.  He did seem to be having a great time beating up the press who beats him up.  Maybe you're suffering from Confirmation Bias.

Alan, don't you get it? This is not adult, responsible governance on display.

Not only is he making a fool of himself, but of government and the US itself. Did you not see that even the reporters were having a hard time maintaining respect? And then you wonder why he thinks them foes? Most governments have to deal with a hostile press at one time or another, and even party hacks get critical now and again. But man, why would any sane person go out of his way to make matters worse than they have to be?

Going by my memory of the election scramble, precious few Republican politicians had any time for Trump. Politicians, as tribe, all function the same way: self first. You need only watch the antics of the Labour party in the UK to see what's going to hit Mr T right on the nose: if your troops can't love you... It's the same scenario. I doubt he'll see the first term out. I just hope, that when he goes, it isn't too late to prevent international chaos. Not even the US can live in a vacuum, and even less so if the one that it creates outside of itself is rapidly filled by malevolent forces, as seems highly possible today.

And yeah, I did watch the Q & A session, and it was unbelievably scary in what it exposed. The saga just goes from bad to worse.

[kers]

Forgetting that it would be also 27% if Hillary won? Then no election in the history of the U.S. would be legitimate, according to you, right?

no, No ,NO!, that is not a good question!   

[Schewe]

It is a video, Jeff. Did you see it?

Lips are moving, producing words that you can hear.

Hum, you ever edit video? You hear somebody ask a question but was that the question the poll worker was asked? It's pretty easy to edit sound and video to completely distort the actual story-which is exactly what that guy has repeatedly done. You saw the video, do you belive it? I don't...

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

15-year olds from all over the world, Norway, USA, and, yes, Russia, have hacked NASA, Dept. of Defense, CIA Director, etc.

Sorry Slobodan, I don't understand your reaction.

Are you suggesting that the hacking operations (60 universities and government agencies were targeted, and previously selling access to a U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC) database in December 2016) were done by a 15-year-old, or are you trying to downplay the issue? Or are you suggesting that, despite the evidence to the contrary, Russia wasn't involved?

Does anyone believe it happens only at Putin's request or with his permission?

Who said that? Or are you saying that it is ALL orchestrated by Putin, or NON OF IT, or ...?

All that's officially disclosed is that in December 2015, several security researchers identified the sale of 191 million U.S. voter records by a member of a top-tier Russian underground community. Do you suggest that Putin doesn't have any control over such communities (which could be the case), despite political adversaries getting killed or sent to prison camps?

Cheers,
Bart

P.S. And given Trump's pathological pattern of lying (even 'Fox' is starting to wonder), are we to believe his claims that he has no ties to Russia and that it's also fake news like the other debunked fake news (while not disclosing his business tax records which could support such a claim)?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Gee, Bart, you raise so many issues in parallel and all over the place that I find it irksome (and others would too) to respond one by one.

But let me just quote your own source:

Based on Rasputin’s historical criminal forum activity, Recorded Future believes it’s unlikely that Rasputin is sponsored by a foreign government.

My point about 15-years old is that anyone could do it, with or without Putin's request or permission, especially, if, once again according to your own source:

The problem is that many groups--from tech companies like Yahoo and LinkedIn to the universities and government organizations implicated in this report--don't bother to defend against these attacks.

Most of hacking activity is of a criminal nature. Russians are good at it, and, next to porn, it is a good source of income. Can Putin use or misuse some of that...sure. As any other government would and does. From there to claiming that Russia "stole" the election, there is a huge conspiracy bridge that some of you are trying to sell.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Gee, Bart, you raise so many issues in parallel and all over the place that I find it irksome (and others would too) to respond one by one.

Just reacting to the suggestions/statements you posted, sorry for taking them serious.

But let me just quote your own source:

My point about 15-years old is that anyone could do it, with or without Putin's request or permission, especially, if, once again according to your own source:

Most of hacking activity is of a criminal nature. Russians are good at it, and, next to porn, it is a good source of income. Can Putin use or misuse some of that...sure. As any other government would and does. From there to claiming that Russia "stole" the election, there is a huge conspiracy bridge that some of you are trying to sell.

I didn't suggest the Russians 'stole' the election, so there's not even a bridge on offer...

'Gee', some of the responses are taking on Trumpian proportions ...

Cheers,
Bart

[marvpelkey]

During the last couple years of my policing career, the Police Chief retired and was replaced after a lengthy search.

In retrospect, the new guy was remarkably similar to Trump. He was quite narcissistic, lied when it served his purpose, made many controversial changes without consulting anyone (should have seen the look on the face of the mayor, and Chair of the police board, when he unexpectedly announced he was dropping a program that the board and citizens loved, without having a replacement program in the wings) and often disregarded policy and procedure, seeming to administrate on the fly and at his whim. He made numerous changes in the first few months.

He loved controversy and divisiveness and one either loved him or hated him, which caused personnel to divide into camps of those who supported him and those who were suspicious of him. He was not respected by neighbouring police agencies (especially RCMP, they hated him) which resulted in reduced inter-agency cooperation.

He eventually left well prior to the end of his contract (he informed me one day towards the end that he was getting bored) and moved on to Provincial politics (becoming the Solicitor General - responsible for policing within the province). That did not last long and he left under a cloud, due to allegations of inappropriate campaign contributions I believe.

Having said that, he did make a number of positive changes that benefitted the department and community. Unfortunately, they were overshadowed because he was so controversial and disliked by many, and some couldn't read the message, just because of the messenger. Overall though, I think he left the department in far worse shape than when he arrived.

Hopefully things will turn out much better in the U.S. of A.

Marv

[Peter McLennan]

It is a video, Jeff. Did you see it?...Lips are moving, producing words that you can hear.

As one who has edited video, and watched a few Hollywood movies where the seemingly impossible appears real, I'm with Schewe. 

Slobodan, you might want to watch and contemplate the veracity of this "video".  Trust me.  You'll enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gneBUA39mnI&feature=youtu.be

[Farmer]

My point is you may not agree with all his policies but none of them are really that far out of what we have been doing for decades.  So relax.  Don't be bitter.  You'll get a heart attack.

So why is it worth having him there if he's not doing anything differently?  It's all much the same, but he's embarrassing your country on the world stage in the meantime.  He's not draining any swamps, he's a billionaire who started that way because of inheritance but claims to support the little guy, he ONLY does things that make him feel good.  So if he's not actually changing anything, to adapt from the original Broadchurch, "what's the point of him"?

[ppmax2]

...He's already dropped so many of his hyperbolic campaign promises.
...
My point is you may not agree with all his policies but none of them are really that far out of what we have been doing for decades.  So relax.  Don't be bitter.  You'll get a heart attack.

This is delicious coming from a Trump supporter...If Obama or Clinton had gotten off to a start like this the right would have already started the impeachment process. The hypocrisy of the right is a sight to behold.

If he's already dropped many of his "hyperbolic" campaign promises, and if his policies aren't that different from what we've been doing for decades, how is he going to #MAGA? Didn't he get elected precisely because he was supposed to DO all the things you listed, and explicitly NOT DO what was done before?

It's only 4 weeks in and you're already apologizing for him and conceding he's not doing anything close to what you expected of him. Open your eyes and see what virtually everyone else sees: Trump and his cohorts are a disaster. Don't tell "us" to relax--we're pissed because half of the country couldn't see what was painfully obvious from the start.

[laughingbear]

During the last couple years of my policing career, the Police Chief retired and was replaced after a lengthy search.

In retrospect, the new guy was remarkably similar to Trump. He was quite narcissistic.....Overall though, I think he left the department in far worse shape than when he arrived.

Hopefully things will turn out much better in the U.S. of A.

Marv

Thanks for sharing Marv!

Twice I came very close to people with NPD, covert, malignant narcissism, narcissistic personality disorders.

I had to learn about this condition. It is not an easy matter, and I am not edcuated in Psychiatry. Over a period of four years I discussed (mostly emails and Skype) my findings with lecturers and students, therapists, book authors, in Europe and the US. I was not aware about the nature of this phenomenon which is pandemic already.

Just a few things, I got to know some people with PhDs in Psychiatry who would refuse to treat someone with diagnosed NPD. Mainly out of experience, and because they were very aware that such an encounter can turn dangerous for themselves.

My first encounter with a NPD ended up in a disaster for me personally. After a period of recovering, I started my journey to learn as much as I could about this strange and disturbing condition.

My second encounter ended without a disaster for me, only because now I was educated on these matters, was able to identify the phenomenon, hence was able to protect myself. 

The only way to get out of such a potentially disastrous relationship is to avoid every contact, even with the help of court orders if required.

Once a NPD does not get the result he desires, there are only two reactions possible in his distorted perception of the world, he looses interest and drops you in a heartbeat, or and this is more likely, he will start a campaign of ultimate destruction. Clnical narcissists are very dangerous people and essentially uncurable, and the red line through their life is usually destruction.

Concerning Caligula Trump, I think he needs to be judged on his actions, of which I have seen enough in the few days, to make up my mind. - Best G

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x54z2pRAvtg

[Alan Klein]

So why is it worth having him there if he's not doing anything differently?  It's all much the same, but he's embarrassing your country on the world stage in the meantime.  He's not draining any swamps, he's a billionaire who started that way because of inheritance but claims to support the little guy, he ONLY does things that make him feel good.  So if he's not actually changing anything, to adapt from the original Broadchurch, "what's the point of him"?

First off Obama was the President who was embarrassing my country.  He was pissed on by Iran and China and others including many of our allies.  No one respected him because he was feckless and weak.  Your interests as a non-American do not match mine.  You'd prefer a weak president while I want a strong President who will defend American interests not yours.  It's nothing personal.  You have your country's interest to protect; and I have mine. 

My other point about him changing things is that many of the more radical campaign promises have been eliminated or weakened.  Such as a nuclear Japan, a two China policy, getting out of NATO.  But there are many other changes that he will do that Obama didn't do and Clinton probably would not do.  These include better immigration policies, reducing taxes for individuals and business, focusing on jobs and the economy, trade policies.  While we can debate the details of each of these, none really is radical, and he is proceeding with implementing them more or less the way the proposed during the campaign, keeping his promises to his supporters.  And give the guy a chance.  It took God almost a week to create the universe.  Trump's only been at what he's trying to do for 4 weeks. 

[laughingbear]

Alan, I did not read the entire thread here, so I can not be sure whether you are serious, or taking the Mickey.

However, your post has comedy quality for sure.

No one respected him [Obama] because he was feckless and weak.  Your interests as a non-American do not match mine....

It took God almost a week to create the universe.  Trump's only been at what he's trying to do for 4 weeks.

[Alan Klein]

Concerning Caligula Trump, I think he needs to be judged on his actions, of which I have seen enough in the few days, to make up my mind. - Best G

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x54z2pRAvtg

Well, then,  we only had a choice between Caligula and Medusa. 

[laughingbear]

Well, then,  we only had a choice between Caligula and Medusa. 

Medusa never existed, is part of Greek Mythology.

Caligula however... Hmm, if history repeats itself, Mad Dog Mattis could be the modern Cassius Chaerea, the Praetorian who assassinated Caligula.

[kers]

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  12hours ago
"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"

I think it was Bush JR who said:  " you are with us or you are against us"

It seems also Trump thinks about it that way when he talks about the press

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

First off Obama was the President who was embarrassing my country.

Amongst many others, a number of historians seem to disagree.
These Historians Say Obama Ranks 12th in the History of Presidential Leadership

Cheers,
Bart

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  12hours ago
"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"

While I agree that most of the press does treat him as the enemy, and I think that they have stopped being jupurnalists and turned into rabid attack dogs for their ideologies, it is still a far cry from seeing them as "the enemy of the American people." Definitely not cool.

[kers]

some fake BBC news:

with some fake facts in it...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38663043

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

some fake BBC news...

It would be nice if people posting just links tell us what they are actually about and state what point they are trying to convey.