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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5920 on: September 02, 2017, 01:45:22 am »

Trump to donate $1 million to Texas recovery

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Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump will donate $1 million of his fortune to recovery efforts in Texas, though the White House says he hasn't determined which group or groups will receive the contribution.

"He would like to join in the efforts that a lot of people we have seen across the country do," press secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters at the White House, saying the funds would come from the President's "personal money."

She said the President hadn't determined which organization to support, but solicited requests from the media for worthy groups.

Hum...nice gesture but does it seem a bit odd that this amount is $4 mill less than Trump offered for Obama's birth certificate?

Trump said he’d give away $5 million — or maybe $50 million — for proof Obama was born in the U.S. Will he pay it?



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Back when Donald Trump was a "birther" -- an era that lasted from early 2011 until Thursday — he offered to give huge donations to charity in exchange for hard evidence that proved President Obama had been born in the U.S.

First, in 2012, Trump said he'd donate $5 million for that proof.

“If Barack Obama opens up and gives his college records and applications, and if he gives his passport applications and records, I will give, to a charity of his choice — inner city children in Chicago, American Cancer Society, AIDS research, anything he wants — a check, immediately, for $5 million," Trump said in a video made in his Trump Tower office. "The check will be given within one hour after he released all of the records, so stated.”

Maybe Trump could team up with Houston Oiler football player JJ Watts who has raised $15 mill in donations...



J.J. Watts Hits $15 Million in Hurricane Harvey Donations: ‘It’s Been Incredible’

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A step beyond. NFL player J.J. Watts wanted to help Hurricane Harvey victims any way he could, so he set a goal of raising $200,000. As of Friday, September 1, the athlete has raised more than $15 million for those affected by the devastation in and around Houston, Texas.

“I started out with a goal with 200,000 and seeing where it is today is unbelievable,” J.J. exclusively tells Us of his crowdfunding page. “I think it’s a massive testament to the good in people and the good that’s out there in the world.”

Not bad for a jock, huh?

I mean, it's nice Trump pledged $1 mil of his own money...but when and where? Donny doesn't have a real good track record fulfilling promises, remember this?

Four months after fundraiser, Trump says he gave $1 million to veterans group

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By David A. Fahrenthold May 24, 2016

Almost four months after promising $1 million of his own money to veterans’ causes, Donald Trump moved to fulfill that pledge Monday evening — promising the entire sum to a single charity as he came under intense media scrutiny.

Trump, now the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, organized a nationally televised fundraiser for veterans’ causes in Des Moines on Jan. 28. That night, Trump said he had raised $6 million,  including the gift from his own pocket.

“Donald Trump gave $1 million,” he said then.

As recently as last week, Trump’s campaign manager had insisted that the mogul had already given that money away. But that was false: Trump had not.



He did finally prove he gave $1 mil of his own money but only after the media pressured Trump to explain where his money had gone. That darn pesky media!!!
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5921 on: September 02, 2017, 03:24:27 am »

Doooh... heal vs heel? Will he ever learn? Prolly not...learning ain't something that Trump is good at.

but heel sells better than heal



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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5922 on: September 02, 2017, 05:18:54 am »

but heel sells better than heal



Yes! Very strange considering that high heels have a negative 'heal' effect. I'm sure glad I'm not a female.  ;D

https://www.simplemost.com/unhealthy-side-effects-of-wearing-high-heels/
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5923 on: September 02, 2017, 06:04:07 am »

"Every generation, blames the one before, " - The Living Years - Mike and the Mechanics.

The reality is that opportunities to make real change don't come along that often and you need to use them. They are not on Facebook and Twitter. Brexit and Trump were both elections. All "young" people had to do was not drink so much the night before, put down the selfie stick, get out of bed, and vote. They weren't even compulsory elections and probably only a few votes were needed. Pretty easy to move a result one way or the other really.

The "problem" with "oldies" is that they actually believe that they should vote, so they do.

The vote on the EU was a referendum, not an election, based on an incredible amount of false evidence and lying. The outcome is very unlikely to bear much resemblance to the promises made at the time and it's hard to see how the result won't be a poorer, more insular country. But then demagogues love a captive audience, the more unhappy the better. It's always all about them, their power, their wealth, never about what's actually best for people. How many problems is building a wall between Mexico and the US actually going to solve? Easy to say Build the Wall and sounds good on the tongue, though.

Anyway, it's demographics. The profile of the party in power here is almost entirely confined to elderly voters. They have hardly any support among the under 45s. Time will do for it, and for the oldies who've sold out the young. At that stage, maybe in a decade when enough of them have died off, good sense and willingness to engage with the world as it actually is may return. The sooner these destructive ideologues of any political stripe currently at play here, in the US and elsewhere are sent off with a red-hot poker up the fundament the better.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5924 on: September 02, 2017, 08:45:08 am »

Trump to donate $1 million to Texas recovery

Chances of him actually donating are slim, if we look at recent history:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_wQtE28YEM

And their analysis of why he keeps promising donations but never (unless publicly shamed) delivers. In his business life, nobody would fact check his promises after a while, so he could make those promises which stuck in the minds of people and they would forget that he didn't actually deliver.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5925 on: September 02, 2017, 10:08:13 am »

...  as the oldies die off...

Yes, the next generation will stay young forever 😉

The simple truth in life is that, as we age, we become more experienced, thus realistic, vs. the unicorn idealism of the youth.

This reminds me of the "solution" for the dreaded 5 o'clock traffic jam: let everyone out at 4pm!

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5926 on: September 02, 2017, 10:16:28 am »

To pre-empt Jeff, again 😉

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5927 on: September 02, 2017, 11:51:48 am »

To pre-empt Jeff, again 😉

Fake news. Here's the original taken on Monday, May 25, 2015:


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5928 on: September 02, 2017, 12:15:12 pm »

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5929 on: September 02, 2017, 01:47:45 pm »

Oh, no!? Really!?
But it was an excellent PS job, Slobodan!  ;)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5930 on: September 02, 2017, 05:37:11 pm »

Yes! Very strange considering that high heels have a negative 'heal' effect. I'm sure glad I'm not a female.  ;D

https://www.simplemost.com/unhealthy-side-effects-of-wearing-high-heels/

Haven't you heard, it's the new black.

https://hubpages.com/style/Men-Have-The-Right-To-Wear-High-Heeled-Shoes
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5931 on: September 02, 2017, 06:43:25 pm »

Could you imagine if Trump actually  got his feet wet during his visit to Harvey flooded Houston?
The Left would have a field day.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5932 on: September 02, 2017, 09:32:41 pm »

Yes! Very strange considering that high heels have a negative 'heal' effect. I'm sure glad I'm not a female.  ;D

https://www.simplemost.com/unhealthy-side-effects-of-wearing-high-heels/

Preoccupation with women shoes can be dangerous also for men.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpeSH6ngsgI
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5933 on: September 03, 2017, 12:55:53 am »

Just in case anybody may have actually believed Trump when he accused Obama of wiretapping him, now the Department of Justice has said there's no evidence to support Trump's allegations.

Justice Department: No evidence Trump Tower was wiretapped



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(CNN)The Justice Department said in a court filing Friday evening that it has no evidence to support President Donald Trump's assertion in March that his predecessor, Barack Obama, wiretapped the phones in Trump Tower before last year's election.

"Both FBI and NSD confirm that they have no records related to wiretaps as described by the March 4, 2017 tweets," the department's motion reads. NSD refers to the department's national security division.

The motion came in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by a group pushing for government transparency, American Oversight.

On March 4, Trump tweeted: "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"

"How low has President Obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred election process," Trump also tweeted. "This is Nixon/Watergate."


Bet this never happens again...

Well, apparently Trump was wrong...wonder if Trump will apologize to Obama? Ya think that might happen? Yeah, I don't think there is a chance Trump would admit he was wrong and apologized to Obama.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5934 on: September 03, 2017, 01:06:56 am »

Poor Donny doesn't know how to use the Internet...

Trump Doesn't Know How to Read Breitbart Without Someone Printing It Out for Him



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John Kelly is already grating on the president and severely restricting his media diet.

A new story from the New York Times by Maggie Haberman and Glen Thrush details how Kelly has tried to still the chaos inside the White House, often frustrating Trump in the process. Kelly is forcing people to stick to appointments and schedules, pushing the president to weigh more carefully moves like ending DACA or banning transgender people from the military, and even persuaded Trump to put out a White House-issued, spell-checked response to North Korea's latest missile firing, instead of just tweeting about it.

These are admittedly low bars, and even Haberman and Thrush acknowledge that it's basically routine office management. But imposing any kind of order in the toxic daycare that is this White House is a feat. Still, Kelly's most impressive accomplishment may be his ability to curate the information that the president gets.

Mr. Kelly cannot stop Mr. Trump from binge-watching Fox News, which aides describe as the president’s primary source of information gathering. But Mr. Trump does not have a web browser on his phone, and does not use a laptop, so he was dependent on aides like Stephen K. Bannon, his former chief strategist, to hand-deliver printouts of articles from conservative media outlets.

Now Mr. Kelly has thinned out his package of printouts so much that Mr. Trump plaintively asked a friend recently where The Daily Caller and Breitbart were.

What we know about Trump's briefings before Kelly's tenure doesn't inspire confidence. Aides have told people meeting with the president to keep printouts short, one page if at all possible, to keep his attention from wandering. He requires twice-a-day packets of positive news stories about himself that still need to be "more fucking positive," according to the people assembling them. And as he's said himself, Trump prefers to make gut decisions without reading or learning much about whatever he's talking about. So it's incredibly ambitious to try to turn these briefings into something productive.

Ya know, I'm good with Trump not being able to read The Daily Caller and Breitbart...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5935 on: September 03, 2017, 01:59:57 am »

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"Both FBI and NSD confirm that they have no records related to wiretaps as described by the March 4, 2017 tweets," the department's motion reads. NSD refers to the department's national security division.

Why it took 6 months to check and confirm?
One would think that all required information was available on some level and it could have been checked and confirmed in one afternoon.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5936 on: September 03, 2017, 09:27:36 am »

Why it took 6 months to check and confirm?
One would think that all required information was available on some level and it could have been checked and confirmed in one afternoon.

It is harder to (dis)prove that something doesn't/didn't exist than it is to (dis)prove something that does/did exist.

In normal discourse, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. But with Trump's track-record of lies/falsehoods, checking reality and fact-checks are necessary, otherwise, he will base policy making on TV shows and shady lobbyists. Talk about a swamp.

More troubling than waiting for an apology from Trump that won't happen, is the fact that he based that accusation on FoxNews propaganda, and that his fanbase believed him unconditionally.

But fact-checking alone will not change people's minds very fast:
Why fact-checking can’t stop Trump’s lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8DQ2kseTWw

Cheers,
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5937 on: September 03, 2017, 11:13:42 am »

It is harder to (dis)prove that something doesn't/didn't exist than it is to (dis)prove something that does/did exist...

But of course, not just harder, but next to impossible.

Just note the agencies careful phrasing (bold mine): "Both FBI and NSD confirm that they have no records..."

THEY do not have. Which is not to say that some other agency, or a part of, doesn't.

This doesn't mean that I personally believe (or not) what was alleged. I do not care. I am simply pointing out the logic implied in the above.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5938 on: September 03, 2017, 11:36:51 am »

It is harder to (dis)prove that something doesn't/didn't exist than it is to (dis)prove something that does/did exist.

In normal discourse, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. But with Trump's track-record of lies/falsehoods, checking reality and fact-checks are necessary, otherwise, he will base policy making on TV shows and shady lobbyists. Talk about a swamp.

More troubling than waiting for an apology from Trump that won't happen, is the fact that he based that accusation on FoxNews propaganda, and that his fanbase believed him unconditionally.

But fact-checking alone will not change people's minds very fast:
Why fact-checking can’t stop Trump’s lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8DQ2kseTWw

Cheers,
Bart

The National Security Agency (NSA) surveilled Trump's people and gave the transcripts of the telephone conversations to Obama through his National Security Adviser Susan Rice.    Usually, the FBI would handle any suspicions if something is afoul.  The fact these transcripts were going to the Oval Office smacks of politics.  So Trump was right about the White House listening in if not exactly right about the means and methods. 

In any case, how did the NSA record phone calls if phones if the wires weren't physically "tapped"?  They don't need to tap the lines within a building as they had to years ago.  Today, NSA uses central switching locations provided by the phone companies.  Plus, some of the calls were probably by cell phone so the calls are intercepted by radio waves sent to cell towers.  That's why Trump put "phone tapped" in quotes.  There are different ways to "tap" phones.  "Tapping" is just a general term for listening in to conversations.  The bottom line is Obama got the transcripts of Trump's phone calls. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5939 on: September 03, 2017, 04:08:28 pm »

The bottom line is Obama got the transcripts of Trump's phone calls.

Pure unmitigated bullshit...the NSA intercepted phonecalls of known foreign agents either talk to or about Trupm or his campaign. Those names of Americans scooped up had to be unmasked because of the nature of the intercepts indicated it was a matter of national security which is why Rice found out that Flynn was talking to the Russians and why Obama warned Trump about Flynn.

But nobody intercepted any Trump calls (unless he was talking to Russians-ya think he was?) so maybe you should learn about what actually happened and stop making stupid claims like Trump does...just sayin'
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