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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5840 on: August 30, 2017, 11:08:29 am »

Did you actually listen to Trump speak? He didn't thank the first responders...he didn't lament the deaths...he didn't thank the various groups that have come from all over the country to help the flood rescues. He didn't really do anything other than thank the governor and the FEMA director and comment on how famous he became on TV...

Wait, what? Trump is fixated on the fact that the FEMA director is getting a lot of air time on TV?

And then he goes on to comment on the size of the crowd? Again with the crowd?

President Bush today said what Trump should have said and then just shut up...and this was from an informal stop to visit with members of the Southern Methodist University football team from Houston.

In Dallas, George W. Bush offers words of support for Houston, via college football players

What did Trump say?

Yeah so The Big Orange Dummy went down to Texas and did nothing to help anybody...is that about right?

Oh and the article in the NYT was not a report doodle, it was an opinion so not news...

Here's a different take on what Trump did.  This one is positive not the usual NY Times opinion doodle complaining about the size of the wooden nickels.  Maybe you need to subscribe to different newspapers.   
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-harvey-texas-20170829-story.html

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« Reply #5841 on: August 30, 2017, 11:20:51 am »

That's correct: U.S. federal regulations generally need to be established or modified in accordance with a statute, the Administrative Procedure Act.  Regulations typically fill in gaps in the more general language of laws enacted by Congress, and the APA is intended to provide assurance that agency regulations are consistent with their underlying statutes, that there is a rational basis for the regulations, and that the public has an opportunity to comment before the regulations go into effect.  The APA also provides for judicial review of regulations promulgated by federal agencies in many instances.

Withdrawal or modification of NAFTA may be even more complicated because Congress enacted a specific statute to implement the agreement.  It's not clear whether Trump can simply give notice of U.S. withdrawal, pursuant to Article 2205 of NAFTA, or whether he would need to seek Congressional authority to do so.  (Obviously, any modification of the agreement would require the consent of Canada and Mexico.)

It didn't appear that Trump was familiar with either the rulemaking process or the legal status of NAFTA during his campaign for president.  He didn't even seem conversant with the president's basic constitutional authorities, for that matter.  He gave the impression he believed he could change things on his ipse dixit.  That's not how the U.S. government works.
That's not how New York City government is suppose to work either.  But, his supporters voted for him because he's an action man who gets things done.  When the NYC government failed to get Central Park's Wollman Ice Skating Rink completed after 6 years and $12 million dollars, Trump, a private citizen,  refurbished it two and a half months ahead of his own speedy six-month schedule and $750,000 below his own projected $3 million budget.  http://www.nytimes.com/1986/11/15/nyregion/about-new-york-pssst-here-s-a-secret-trump-rebuilds-ice-rink.html

People are tired of government that doesn't work.  They're tired of excuses.  They wanted a non-politician who thinks and acts out of the box.  He's not eloquent, more like a bull in a China shop.  But maybe, just maybe, things will change for the better.   
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5842 on: August 30, 2017, 11:53:14 am »

How's our boy doing?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5843 on: August 30, 2017, 01:50:06 pm »

They guard CIA headquarters and personnel in Washington DC. That's not law enforcement.   They don't have policing authority in or to the public.

let us read what the employer states (of course this is gov't and US gov't on top of that - so it is a patented lie, but)

"As a Police Officer in the Security Protective Service (SPS) with the CIA, you will protect CIA personnel, facilities and information through the enforcement of Federal laws and Agency Regulations... Police Officers exercise full law enforcement authority, including making arrests and enforcing traffic laws in Agency jurisdiction."

state police from another state can't arrest me in my state by itself...  that does not make them not a police, does it ?
 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5844 on: August 30, 2017, 01:57:30 pm »

smashing colleges and free speech.

they had good teachers !

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5845 on: August 30, 2017, 02:35:56 pm »

let us read what the employer states (of course this is gov't and US gov't on top of that - so it is a patented lie, but).....
 
You're point was wrong but you obviously hate the American government and America so I'm not going to bother telling you why. Why waste my time?

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« Reply #5846 on: August 30, 2017, 03:12:19 pm »

That's not how New York City government is suppose to work either.  But, his supporters voted for him because he's an action man who gets things done.  When the NYC government failed to get Central Park's Wollman Ice Skating Rink completed after 6 years and $12 million dollars, Trump, a private citizen,  refurbished it two and a half months ahead of his own speedy six-month schedule and $750,000 below his own projected $3 million budget.  http://www.nytimes.com/1986/11/15/nyregion/about-new-york-pssst-here-s-a-secret-trump-rebuilds-ice-rink.html

People are tired of government that doesn't work.  They're tired of excuses.  They wanted a non-politician who thinks and acts out of the box.  He's not eloquent, more like a bull in a China shop.  But maybe, just maybe, things will change for the better.

Did you not read Chris' post (No. 5900)?

What do you mean by "government that doesn't work"? That makes no sense. Carefully deliberating policy that will affect the country as a whole for decades to come IS EXACTLY he work of government. And if some of the wheels grind slowly, it's sometimes because they should. Maybe motivational speakers can encourage thinking out of the box, and maybe that works for the 1 in 10,000 corporate execs who give Ted talks, but there is a reason we never hear speakers from the other 99% of corporations that went belly-up because they didn't plan well enough.

The point was that Trump can't change certain rules and regs on his own say so. He does not have dictatorial powers. Senators are not his VPs, they don't report to him. Same with Congress. My impression was that the US constitution was deliberately set up that way for a reason. Do you think electing Trump changed that?

Basically what I'm seeing is what I have thought from the start. He's a salesman and he has no idea how anything actually works. Our culture needs philosophers and engineers, not more salesmen. We have enough salesmen.


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5847 on: August 30, 2017, 04:01:01 pm »

You're point was wrong

I repeat = "As a Police Officer in the Security Protective Service (SPS) with the CIA, you will protect CIA personnel, facilities and information through the enforcement of Federal laws and Agency Regulations... Police Officers exercise full law enforcement authority, including making arrests and enforcing traffic laws in Agency jurisdiction."

what is not clear to you in the enforcement of Federal laws and exercise full law enforcement authority ?

you city police authority is limited to your city limits for example ... but it is still police... and so CIA police can arrest you in this country if you happen to find yourself violating federal laws (and ... agency regulations too) on american soil within their jurisdiction - just like your city police can arrest you in your city (which is their jurisdiction)... feel free to find a proper definition of police  ;D

granted Wikipedia is tainted, but still = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_law_enforcement_in_the_United_States#List_of_agencies_and_units_of_agencies

Central Intelligence Agency, Security Protective Service (CIA SPS)

is treated like a Federal Law Enforcement outlet...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5848 on: August 30, 2017, 04:14:37 pm »

Did you not read Chris' post (No. 5900)?

What do you mean by "government that doesn't work"? That makes no sense. Carefully deliberating policy that will affect the country as a whole for decades to come IS EXACTLY he work of government. And if some of the wheels grind slowly, it's sometimes because they should. Maybe motivational speakers can encourage thinking out of the box, and maybe that works for the 1 in 10,000 corporate execs who give Ted talks, but there is a reason we never hear speakers from the other 99% of corporations that went belly-up because they didn't plan well enough.

The point was that Trump can't change certain rules and regs on his own say so. He does not have dictatorial powers. Senators are not his VPs, they don't report to him. Same with Congress. My impression was that the US constitution was deliberately set up that way for a reason. Do you think electing Trump changed that?

Basically what I'm seeing is what I have thought from the start. He's a salesman and he has no idea how anything actually works. Our culture needs philosophers and engineers, not more salesmen. We have enough salesmen.



Bob (Can I call you Bob?), I gave an example of government not working.  NYC government spent six years to complete a skating rink, and it still wasn't done.  Trump went in and completed it in 4/12 months and under budget.  There's too much thinking, deliberating, posturing, and wasting money in the government and not enough real execution.  Politicians are afraid to take a position and talk out of both sides of their mouth.   You may not like Trump's big mouth, but he doesn't take crap from no one.  He expects results or "you're fired".  With government, people rise to their level of incompetence and then stay there for decades sponging off the taxpayers. 

My last job after a career in private business was working for NYC government.  I had a boss who would tell us after lunch that he had to go visit some sites in the field to check on things.  Actually, he went straight home.  He worked maybe 3-3/12 days out of a 5 day week and got paid $110K+.  I had another boss who I went to with a great idea for saving the agency some money.  He looked me right in the eye and asked me "Why do you care?"  He was right of course, why should I care?  No one owned the agency.  No one cared about the money.  Who gave a crap about the taxpayer? 

Remember FEMA and Hurricane Katrina.  What a disaster that was.  No one in government cares.  Well, we'll see if Trump gets FEMA to do better with Hurricane Harvey in Texas.  Maybe he can get FEMA to build them an ice rink or maybe a swimming pool since they have all that water. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5849 on: August 30, 2017, 04:16:31 pm »

  Maybe you need to subscribe to different newspapers.   
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-harvey-texas-20170829-story.html

Maybe you should read the article you mentioned...

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President Trump on Tuesday assured Texans slammed by Tropical Storm Harvey that “we are here to take care of you” and promised a “better than ever before” relief effort, as he visited the state while rescuers continued to pull people from submerged homes.

During visits first to Corpus Christi on the Gulf Coast, southwest of the worst-hit areas of Houston and its environs, and then to the state capital of Austin, Trump repeatedly praised federal, state and local officials. But he said little about victims who had lost their homes and loved ones to the historic storm.

--snip--

Still, Trump, clad in a “USA” ball cap and a windbreaker with a presidential seal, did not shy from raising expectations for the response effort.

“We want to do it better than ever before,” he said. “We want to be looked at in five years, in 10 years from now, as this is the way to do it.”

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Trump spoke about the work of officials and the recovery efforts, leaving it to others to discuss the storm’s continuing risks and the loss of life — including the drowning death of veteran Houston Police Sgt. Steve Perez, who was to turn 61 this week.

When he left the firehouse, Trump mounted a ladder between two fire trucks to address the crowd outside.

“We love you, you are special; we are here to take care of you,” he said. “It's going well.”

“What a crowd, what a turnout,” he said, as if speaking at a political rally. “It's historic, its epic, but I tell you, it happened in Texas, and Texas can handle anything.”

Compare that to what Bush said yesterday as an ex-president and citizen of Texas.

And about that hat Trump was wearing and hawking for sale...

DID TRUMP SEEK TO CASH IN FROM TEXAS HURRICANE VISIT BY SPORTING $40 CAMPAIGN MERCHANDISE CAP?


U.S. President Donald Trump holds the state flag of Texas outside of the Annaville firehouse after attending a briefing on Hurricane Harvey in Corpus Christi, Texas, August 29.

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President Trump’s former ethics chief said the president’s decision to show off a $40 Trump campaign merchandise baseball cap on a visit to storm-struck Texas raises ethics concerns.

The president was pictured wearing the Official USA 45th Presidential Hats in two pictures released by the White House over the weekend, and in TV footage of an official visit to the state Tuesday. Both hats, described as “Proudly Made in the USA,” are sold as merchandise via the Trump campaign website.

“Any ethics issues raised by using official White House press releases on Hurricane Harvey to show off Trump’s re-election campaign merch?” tweeted Bloomberg analyst Anna Massoglia early Wednesday.

To which Walter Schaub, former Director of the Office of Government Ethics, simply replied, “Yes.”

Walter Shaub‏Verified account
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The presser would be more convincing if POTUS weren't wearing merch touted as the hat “worn by 45thPresident-Elect Donald J. Trump, himself”

10:22 AM - 29 Aug 2017

Schaub, who was appointed government ethics chief in 2013, accused Trump of reducing America to a “laughing stock” when he left the office in July.

He slammed the president for unprecedented conflicts of interest, and for not disentangling himself from them.

“It’s hard for the United States to pursue international anti-corruption and ethics initiatives when we’re not even keeping our own side of the street clean. It affects our credibility,” Shaub told The New York Times. “I think we are pretty close to a laughing stock at this point.”

Apart from questions of conflict of interest, others expressed astonishment at the price of the hats Trump wore, which retail at almost twice that of a New York Knicks cap.

Yeah, Trump went to Texas and didn't do anything to actually help. Good job Donny...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5850 on: August 30, 2017, 04:26:18 pm »

I repeat = "As a Police Officer in the Security Protective Service (SPS) with the CIA, you will protect CIA personnel, facilities and information through the enforcement of Federal laws and Agency Regulations... Police Officers exercise full law enforcement authority, including making arrests and enforcing traffic laws in Agency jurisdiction."

what is not clear to you in the enforcement of Federal laws and exercise full law enforcement authority ?

you city police authority is limited to your city limits for example ... but it is still police... and so CIA police can arrest you in this country if you happen to find yourself violating federal laws (and ... agency regulations too) on american soil within their jurisdiction - just like your city police can arrest you in your city (which is their jurisdiction)... feel free to find a proper definition of police  ;D

granted Wikipedia is tainted, but still = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_law_enforcement_in_the_United_States#List_of_agencies_and_units_of_agencies

Central Intelligence Agency, Security Protective Service (CIA SPS)

is treated like a Federal Law Enforcement outlet...
I don't like discussing things with people who don't identify themselves, at least what country they're from.  If you tell me that, then I'll answer.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5851 on: August 30, 2017, 04:31:37 pm »

Meanwhile, he tries to buy himself out of trouble, in true mobster fashion:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/30/trump-tower-russia-meeting-chuck-grassley

Donald Trump called a senior Republican senator from Iowa on Wednesday whose congressional committee is investigating his son, Donald Trump Jr, and promised him critical federal support for the biofuel ethanol, a key issue for the lawmaker.

Chuck Grassley, the chairman of the Senate judiciary committee and a major advocate of the ethanol industry, announced on Twitter that he had received a phone call from Trump and had been assured by the US president that Trump was “pro ethanol” and was “standing by his campaign promise” to support the biofuel.

The phone call came less than a day after CNN reported that Trump’s eldest son had reached an agreement with the committee to appear in a private session and answer investigators’ questions. The committee, which has oversight of the Department of Justice, is investigating a 2016 meeting that occurred in Trump Tower before November’s election. During the meeting, Trump Jr and other campaign staff met with Russian operatives after being promised compromising information about the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton.

The interview with investigators could take place in the next few weeks, according to CNN.
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« Reply #5852 on: August 30, 2017, 04:32:19 pm »

Maybe you should read the article you mentioned...

Compare that to what Bush said yesterday as an ex-president and citizen of Texas.

And about that hat Trump was wearing and hawking for sale...

DID TRUMP SEEK TO CASH IN FROM TEXAS HURRICANE VISIT BY SPORTING $40 CAMPAIGN MERCHANDISE CAP?


U.S. President Donald Trump holds the state flag of Texas outside of the Annaville firehouse after attending a briefing on Hurricane Harvey in Corpus Christi, Texas, August 29.

Yeah, Trump went to Texas and didn't do anything to actually help. Good job Donny...
Texans appreciated he came down to let them know he cared and was going to help them.  Plus they had a chance to check out his wife.  If Hillary had won, they'd have to check out her fat ass.  Texas went for Trump.  They're not stupid. 

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« Reply #5853 on: August 30, 2017, 06:46:38 pm »

Curious.  Did any country offer to send help to Texas other than Mexico?   

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« Reply #5854 on: August 30, 2017, 07:28:14 pm »

Plus they had a chance to check out his wife.  If Hillary had won, they'd have to check out her fat ass.  Texas went for Trump.  They're not stupid.

Melania is from Stepford. She doesn't need to eat.



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« Reply #5855 on: August 30, 2017, 07:54:44 pm »

Curious.  Did any country offer to send help to Texas other than Mexico?

The proximity of Mexico makes it a logical option for logistical support, where needed (that's what good neighbors do, they help out). That they chose to defy the abuse by the Trump administration by offering help shows a lot of class (and they are still not going to pay for a wall).

My country (the Netherlands) typically helps developing countries that lack the funds or expertise to solve their own issues. Otherwise, we tend to not interfere with internal affairs unless asked to, and there are obvious limits to what a country of some 17 million people can do for others.

Besides, having to pony up the money to compensate for the USA's withdrawal from the Paris Climat agreements, and increasing our Defense expenditure towards the 2% of GDP goals, is already taxing our financial abilities to support the USA enough.

On the other hand, 'we' are willing to sell our expertise in Water Management to countries that can afford to pay for it (and offer it at a reduced/subsidized (as development aid) cost to developing nations). We've been involved in the post-Katrina efforts in Louisiana, and the post-Sandy efforts in New York, and are working on a slew of other projects across the USA.

Here's a list of commercial project locations, e.g. by just one Dutch company, called Arcadis:
https://www.arcadis.com/en/united-states/where-we-work

That company has apparently already been (and still is) doing some work on (amongst others) protecting the US coasts against rising sea levels but is often not being paid for protection against increasing precipitation and melting snow/ice water coming from inland. The specific Houston problem is one of neglect and perverse building ethics, and the effects will only get worse and more costly due to Global Warming (with warmer air and water providing more water for precipitation).

Cheers,
Bart
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« Reply #5856 on: August 30, 2017, 08:10:42 pm »

Curious.  Did any country offer to send help to Texas other than Mexico?   

Quebec is offering to help Houston in the wake of Hurricane Harvey and is at the ready for when officials there say they need it, says Minister of International Relations Christine St-Pierre.

St-Pierre also offered the help of Hydro-Québec crews, which are part of a mutual assistance group connecting electricity utilities in North America's Northeast region.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-offers-aid-texas-hurricane-harvey-1.4267387

Also, Montreal-based Resolute Forest Products has committed to sending a rail car full of lumber to Houston once the storm-battered city begins to recover from the devastation wrought by Hurricane Harvey.
And one Quebec priest kayaks Houston streets helping flood victims.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5857 on: August 30, 2017, 08:15:28 pm »

I don't like discussing things with people who don't identify themselves, at least what country they're from.

Good point!  Especially in a forum thread like this—but in many of the mainstream photography ones, as well—it would be helpful at times to know where posters are located, even those who (for whatever reason) prefer not to reveal their real names.

Does everyone know that there is a user profile attribute they can set for location?

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« Reply #5858 on: August 30, 2017, 10:43:26 pm »

The proximity of Mexico makes it a logical option for logistical support, where needed (that's what good neighbors do, they help out). That they chose to defy the abuse by the Trump administration by offering help shows a lot of class (and they are still not going to pay for a wall).

My country (the Netherlands) typically helps developing countries that lack the funds or expertise to solve their own issues. Otherwise, we tend to not interfere with internal affairs unless asked to, and there are obvious limits to what a country of some 17 million people can do for others.

Besides, having to pony up the money to compensate for the USA's withdrawal from the Paris Climat agreements, and increasing our Defense expenditure towards the 2% of GDP goals, is already taxing our financial abilities to support the USA enough.

On the other hand, 'we' are willing to sell our expertise in Water Management to countries that can afford to pay for it (and offer it at a reduced/subsidized (as development aid) cost to developing nations). We've been involved in the post-Katrina efforts in Louisiana, and the post-Sandy efforts in New York, and are working on a slew of other projects across the USA.

Here's a list of commercial project locations, e.g. by just one Dutch company, called Arcadis:
https://www.arcadis.com/en/united-states/where-we-work

That company has apparently already been (and still is) doing some work on (amongst others) protecting the US coasts against rising sea levels but is often not being paid for protection against increasing precipitation and melting snow/ice water coming from inland. The specific Houston problem is one of neglect and perverse building ethics, and the effects will only get worse and more costly due to Global Warming (with warmer air and water providing more water for precipitation).

Cheers,
Bart


America always seems to be helping out others.  It would have been nice for more countries beside Mexico and Canada to show some class and friendship to us.   Not much.  Maybe a kayak or two. 

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« Reply #5859 on: August 30, 2017, 11:09:53 pm »

America always seems to be helping out others. 

Maybe you can help us out by using selective quoting rather than just hitting the button and typing. It's pretty easy, just select the unwanted text and hit the delete key! Easie piepie...
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