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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3280 on: June 06, 2017, 09:56:46 am »

Pathetic, appalling, sophmoric and ugly...

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3281 on: June 06, 2017, 10:02:01 am »

What did Trump first Tweet about the attack in London?

tell me what NATO (organization) said about that (and others) attack in London ? or for that matter when IRA killed Mountbatten dude ...
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« Reply #3282 on: June 06, 2017, 10:29:48 am »

tell me what NATO (organization) said about that (and others) attack in London ? or for that matter when IRA killed Mountbatten dude ...

Irrelevant, I think, even if NATO had a brief to comment on matters of public order which it hasn't. It's not about organizations but heads of state - people. Any head of state (so not only Trump of course) using social media to make partisan comments on a tragedy of this kind is engaging in extremely distasteful behaviour and unfortunately brings his/her whole country into disrepute since speaking as its official representative. Trump's comments on Twitter about the incident in London on Saturday have angered and upset a great number of people here in the UK. An apology would be good but a long period of silence from this gentleman would be better. My impression from the overall media is that Londoners now simply don't want him anywhere near their city so the most likely effect of his inability to speak appropriately, as befits the great office of President of the USA, is the cancellation of his planned visit here later this year. Another own goal from his administration, alas.
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« Reply #3283 on: June 06, 2017, 10:55:54 am »

I'd like to share an actual image of the location of that terrible incident near Parliament a few months ago. 

When people ask, "Where are the Muslims speaking against terror, and why don't they speak out?" my answer is, on March 29, 2017 they were in the spot of the attack, engaging with other Londoners and tourists, mostly wearing shirts that said, "Talk to me about Islam," while decrying the recent attacks.

Edit:  sorry it's sideways. If you click it's upright.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3284 on: June 06, 2017, 11:30:17 am »

tell me what NATO (organization) said about that (and others) attack in London ? or for that matter when IRA killed Mountbatten dude ...

It's not the role of NATO to comment on such events.

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« Reply #3285 on: June 06, 2017, 11:35:24 am »

It's not the role of NATO to comment on such events.

and where (@ how many lives) lies the difference ?
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« Reply #3286 on: June 06, 2017, 11:41:13 am »

And I was commenting on the conservative fake news. Conservatives think it's the truth, but it isn't. It's mostly plain lies.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3287 on: June 06, 2017, 11:48:38 am »

and where (@ how many lives) lies the difference ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO
"NATO constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party. "

The UK has not asked fellow NATO members to intervene in their handling of domestic crime events.

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« Reply #3288 on: June 06, 2017, 11:57:13 am »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO
"NATO constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party. "

The UK has not asked fellow NATO members to intervene in their handling of domestic crime events.

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you missed the point of the question - NATO did comment (see Schewe above) on 9/11 and that was put as an example and not on a lot of other incidents... you said "It's not the role of NATO to comment on such events" ... so where lies the difference between 9/11 and other events... how many people warrant the comment ?

if UK did not ask fellow members then it is clearly not a significant matter for UK and so why issue with Trump not respecting some non significant matter ?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3289 on: June 06, 2017, 12:20:32 pm »

you missed the point of the question - NATO did comment (see Schewe above) on 9/11 and that was put as an example and not on a lot of other incidents...

From the provided link:
"The North Atlantic Council met tonight ..."

So after a meeting, and we don't know what the USA said/asked in that meeting, a statement was issued.
I could imagine that international air traffic had something to do with it.

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« Reply #3290 on: June 06, 2017, 12:21:33 pm »

you missed the point of the question - NATO did comment (see Schewe above) on 9/11 and that was put as an example and not on a lot of other incidents... you said "It's not the role of NATO to comment on such events" ... so where lies the difference between 9/11 and other events... how many people warrant the comment ?

if UK did not ask fellow members then it is clearly not a significant matter for UK and so why issue with Trump not respecting some non significant matter ?

As already said, a head of state engaging in social media scuttlebutt and petty point-scoring in the face of a tragedy is embarrassing himself, his office and his whole country. Simple as that and nothing more to say. It's very sad and unnecessary but that's it.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3291 on: June 06, 2017, 12:22:59 pm »

Irrelevant, I think, even if NATO had a brief to comment on matters of public order which it hasn't. It's not about organizations but heads of state - people. Any head of state (so not only Trump of course) using social media to make partisan comments on a tragedy of this kind is engaging in extremely distasteful behaviour and unfortunately brings his/her whole country into disrepute since speaking as its official representative. Trump's comments on Twitter about the incident in London on Saturday have angered and upset a great number of people here in the UK. An apology would be good but a long period of silence from this gentleman would be better. My impression from the overall media is that Londoners now simply don't want him anywhere near their city so the most likely effect of his inability to speak appropriately, as befits the great office of President of the USA, is the cancellation of his planned visit here later this year. Another own goal from his administration, alas.
If you recall, the London mayor attacked Donald Trump during the election campaign. What do you expect him to do in return? Nothing? Trump.attacks back. That's who he is. If the mayor can't handle the heat, he shouldn't have said anything in the first place.

Trump is sending a message to all our enemies as well. He's not someone to play with. He's not like the weak Obama. If you mess with him, he's going to strike back. Our Allies should be thankful. Because now the Russians know he'll do the same thing if they mess with him. That'll keep peace in Europe. Remember Trump and America is on our Allies side notwithstanding what you guys think of us. So a strong American president helps keep the peace and protects you as well.

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« Reply #3292 on: June 06, 2017, 12:33:47 pm »

If you recall, the London mayor attacked Donald Trump during the election campaign. What do you expect him to do in return? Nothing? Trump.attacks back. That's who he is. If the mayor can't handle the heat, he shouldn't have said anything in the first place.

Trump is sending a message to all our enemies as well. He's not someone to play with. He's not like the weak Obama. If you mess with him, he's going to strike back. Our Allies should be thankful. Because now the Russians know he'll do the same thing if they mess with him. That'll keep peace in Europe. Remember Trump and America is on our Allies side notwithstanding what you guys think of us. So a strong American president helps keep the peace and protects you as well.

I expect him to behave with dignity. That simple little word. Instead he is embarrassing himself, you and all your fellow countrymen. As a lifelong friend of the USA I find this dismaying. BTW, the Mayor of London is a tough and patriotic cookie who may easily become prime minister one day - and who would probably make a very good one.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3293 on: June 06, 2017, 12:49:38 pm »

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« Reply #3294 on: June 06, 2017, 12:52:48 pm »

If you recall, the London mayor attacked Donald Trump during the election campaign. What do you expect him to do in return? Nothing? Trump.attacks back. That's who he is.

Yes, we know, he's a cry baby. He has yet to learn empathy for the victims, and put his personal grievances (and emerging Islamophobia) aside.

He's even stupid enough to think that the diplomatic situation with Qatar is helping to curtail Islamist terrorism. He's being played by the Abab infighting amongst themselves. Qatar is too friendly with Iran, so the other Arab countries have a score to settle and knew that Trump is gullible enough to think it all revolves around him.

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« Reply #3295 on: June 06, 2017, 01:11:13 pm »

If you recall, the London mayor attacked Donald Trump during the election campaign. What do you expect him to do in return? Nothing? Trump.attacks back. That's who he is. If the mayor can't handle the heat, he shouldn't have said anything in the first place.

Trump is sending a message to all our enemies as well. He's not someone to play with. He's not like the weak Obama. If you mess with him, he's going to strike back. Our Allies should be thankful. Because now the Russians know he'll do the same thing if they mess with him. That'll keep peace in Europe. Remember Trump and America is on our Allies side notwithstanding what you guys think of us. So a strong American president helps keep the peace and protects you as well.

I haven't seen any sign of a strong president yet. So far, we've seen some temper tantrums, a lot of confusion, stupid decisions, flip-flops, undiplomatic behavior and total lack of strategy.
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« Reply #3296 on: June 06, 2017, 01:24:15 pm »

Trump is sending a message to all our enemies as well. He's not someone to play with. He's not like the weak Obama. If you mess with him, he's going to strike back. Our Allies should be thankful. Because now the Russians know he'll do the same thing if they mess with him. That'll keep peace in Europe. Remember Trump and America is on our Allies side notwithstanding what you guys think of us. So a strong American president helps keep the peace and protects you as well.

In what way has he struck back?
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« Reply #3297 on: June 06, 2017, 01:45:49 pm »

If you recall, the London mayor attacked Donald Trump during the election campaign. What do you expect him to do in return? Nothing? Trump.attacks back. That's who he is. If the mayor can't handle the heat, he shouldn't have said anything in the first place.

In the unlikely event you want to actually know what you are talking about I offer this article:

A Brief History of Trump's Feud With Sadiq Khan

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It spans 18 months, an op-ed, several interviews and, of course, Twitter.

If it seemed strange for the president of the United States to engage in a Twitter spat with the mayor of London—a city that on Saturday night experienced the U.K.’s third terrorist attack this year—the feud did at least have a historical context. In fact, President Trump and London Mayor Sadiq Khan have been bickering in public since about a year and a half ago. Their feud can be traced to Trump’s call as a presidential candidate, following the attacks in Paris in November 2015, for a ban on Muslims from entering the U.S. A month later, following the attack in San Bernardino, California, Trump called for a “total and complete shutdown” of Muslims entering the country.

In May 2016, Sadiq Khan became London’s first Muslim mayor. Writing in the Observer that same month, Khan, the son of Pakistani immigrants to the U.K., accused David Cameron, then the prime minister, and Zac Goldsmith, Khan’s Conservative rival in the often-nasty mayoral race, of employing tactics “straight out of the Donald Trump playbook”—a reference to his rival’s attempt to paint him as an extremist.

When asked by Time on May 9 after winning the mayoral race, “What’s your view on a potential Trump presidency given his remarks on Muslims?” Khan replied:

Clearly [I’ll visit] before January in case Donald Trump wins ... I want to go to America to meet with and engage with American mayors. If Donald Trump becomes the President, I’ll be stopped from going there by virtue of my faith, which means I can’t engage with American mayors and swap ideas.
That same day, The New York Times asked Trump, at the time still a presidential candidate, what he thought of Khan’s victory. Trump said he was “happy” that London had elected its first Muslim mayor, and said “there will always be exceptions” to his proposed travel ban on Muslims. Trump also said Khan’s victory was a “very good thing … because I think if he does a great job, it will really—you lead by example, always lead by example. If he does a good job and frankly if he does a great job, that would be a terrific thing.”

On May 10, the BBC asked Khan what he thought Trump’s remarks that he would be an “exception” to the proposed ban. He replied: “I think Donald Trump has ignorant views about Islam. It’s not just about me. … It’s about my friends, family, and others, from all around the world … and my concern is he’s playing into the hands of extremists who say it’s not compatible to be Western and mainstream Muslim.”

And, as if to reinforce his rejection of Trump, Khan added he was supporting Hillary Clinton. “I hope that she trounces him,” he said. (Trump ultimately defeated her in last November’s presidential election.) But when asked whether he would do business with Trump, Khan replied: “I’m the mayor of London. … As the mayor of London, I’ll speak, within reason, to anybody if it’s in the best interests of our country.”

Six days later, Trump attacked Khan, saying it was the London mayor who was “ignorant,” and challenged Khan to an “IQ test.”

Personally, I would bet on London Mayor Sadiq Khan to win that battle...small hands=small mind :~)

Actually, it was Donny Jr that stepped in it more recently:

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Fast-forward to March of this year, and it was Donald Trump, Jr., the president’s son, who criticized Khan in the aftermath of the deadly terrorist attack in the British capital. Trump, Jr., tweeted “You have to be kidding me?!” linking to an article in the Independent that quoted remarks Khan made to the Evening Standard. In those remarks, the London mayor said the threat of terrorism had become “part and parcel of living in a great global city. You’ve got to be prepared for these things. We’ve got to be vigilant. We’ve got to support the police. They’re doing an incredibly hard job. You’ve got to support the security services.” Trump, Jr., appeared not to have read the remarks completely. 

So, I'm still waiting to see that "strong leader" you keep referring to...I just keep seeing a big bumbling orange idiot that keeps getting in his own way and flailing about like a person who finds himself terrified because he's in way, WAY over his head.

He doesn't have a clue how to be president and apparently refuses to listen to anybody who might. The two Steve's? all they want to do is wreck havoc and destroy our democracy. And that's not me just saying that:

Steve Bannon wants to destroy the Washington 'establishment' — and that could be Trump's undoing

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The result has been chaotic and often disorganized, prompting satiric television sketches and accusations from veteran Washington hands that the administration is amateurish and inept. Trump's approval ratings fall by the day.

But what by conventional measures looks like a string of setbacks and misfires could to an ideologue like Bannon be proof that the administration is on the right track to achieving its goal — destroying what he calls the Washington "establishment." What's less clear is what might take its place.

"I'm a Leninist," Bannon once told the Daily Beast. "Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that's my goal, too. I want to bring everything crashing down and destroy all of today's establishment."

"I'm a Leninist"? Really? That's somebody you want whispering in Trump's ear?

Trump is not a strong leader, he's a baffoon. And now the whole world knows it...particularly the citizens of the UK and London. Pretty sure Trump shouldn't plan on visiting any time soon, ya know?

The Guardian view on Trump’s state visit to the UK: his invitation should be rescinded

Keep sticking your head in the sand Allan, all you're gonna get is sand in your eyes.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3298 on: June 06, 2017, 01:47:07 pm »

In what way has he struck back?

Well, he Tweeted at them!

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« Reply #3299 on: June 06, 2017, 03:03:52 pm »

Another own goal by Trump - meddling in the Gulf and alienating the hosts of the US biggest military base there. Is there no end to his stupidity?
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