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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3040 on: May 31, 2017, 08:44:45 pm »

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While President Donald Trump mulls his rumored plan to withdraw from the Paris Agreement on climate change, others are apparently considering their own exit ― from Trump. Among them is Elon Musk, the billionaire founder of SpaceX, Tesla and a growing number of other startups. Musk said Wednesday that if Trump pulls the U.S. out of the landmark international accord on combating climate change, he’ll have no option but to resign from his role on Trump’s business advisory council.

And that's just the start.
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« Reply #3041 on: May 31, 2017, 11:37:58 pm »

Learn to spell. Especially peoples' names. You'll earn respect and credibility.
You're acting petty just like the media with their "gotcha" comments about Trump.    I guess you agree with the rest of my post since you didn't comment on the really important stuff I said.

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« Reply #3042 on: May 31, 2017, 11:48:20 pm »

Maybe I'm missing something. It sounds like people have tacitly accepted the notion that Europe is somehow screwing the USA on trade deals. Is this even true? I don't recall even hearing about such an idea until recently, and it sounds to me like just more nonsense that Trump has made up. How has this been kept a secret all this while, if it was true?

These government subsidy things never make any sense to me. There was some kerfuffle the other day about Boeing not being happen at Bombardier receiving Canadian government aid, which is a pretty glaring example of a kettle complaining about a pot (not withstanding the fact that the way our governments here have handed out money to Bombardier has been pretty ham-handed and not very useful that anyone can tell). And it has been my understanding for a long time that US agriculture receives all kinds of government largesse, although I've always wondered if that only started after Big Corporate Farms entered the fray. I don't remember any such handouts to small family farms, although I don't know very much about that sector. I won't mention those too big to fail banks.
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« Reply #3043 on: June 01, 2017, 12:13:05 am »

While the Trumpster may be on the verge of a substantial White House overall/reboot the problem isn't the people under him, the problem is him. Or so says that #FAKENEWS rag called The Wall Street Journal...

The White House Mess

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A shakeup needs to start with some self-reflection at the top.

White House aides are leaking that President Trump is considering a staff shakeup to stop them from leaking, and the casualty on Monday was communications director Mike Dubke. Mr. Trump certainly needs to fix his White House mess, but staff changes won’t matter unless the President accepts that he is the root of the dysfunction.

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Mr. Trump also needs a formal policy process for debating legislative initiatives like health care and tax reform. Members of Congress tell us they have no clear idea whom to talk to with a question about specific policies. This compounds the internal confusion because Congress and other outsiders will bombard everyone on the senior staff. Lt. Gen. McMaster seems to have built this process on foreign policy, but it isn’t clear Mr. Cohn has the same authority on the domestic agenda.

The larger reality is that Mr. Trump is wasting the precious asset of time. He has a shortening window for legislative achievements before the 2018 election. Presidents typically get a staff who reflect their governing style, and if Mr. Trump can’t show more personal discipline, the fair conclusion will be that he likes the chaos.

This is the WSJ trying to get under Trump's skin and tell him what he should do, become president...not wasting his time and political juice on non-presidential activities like tweeting about stuff like covfefe...

While I'm not a Trump supporter (spoiler alert) I do certainly hope he doesn't simply screw America over–like he done so far.
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« Reply #3044 on: June 01, 2017, 12:15:12 am »

Maybe I'm missing something. It sounds like people have tacitly accepted the notion that Europe is somehow screwing the USA on trade deals. Is this even true? I don't recall even hearing about such an idea until recently, and it sounds to me like just more nonsense that Trump has made up. How has this been kept a secret all this while, if it was true?

These government subsidy things never make any sense to me. There was some kerfuffle the other day about Boeing not being happen at Bombardier receiving Canadian government aid, which is a pretty glaring example of a kettle complaining about a pot (not withstanding the fact that the way our governments here have handed out money to Bombardier has been pretty ham-handed and not very useful that anyone can tell). And it has been my understanding for a long time that US agriculture receives all kinds of government largesse, although I've always wondered if that only started after Big Corporate Farms entered the fray. I don't remember any such handouts to small family farms, although I don't know very much about that sector. I won't mention those too big to fail banks.
Stop reading the liberal, left Democrat media who thinks Trump doesn't know what he's doing.  They hate him so much that they can't see the forest through the trees.  So let me explain the what Trump is about.  It's so simple, yet his enemies refuse to see it much or talk about. They're having too much good time trying to make him look stupid, like a guy who's worth $3.5 billion is a dope.  Sheesch!

So here's the deal.  To him, unless he's getting the best deal around, it's not fair.  Even if it was fair.  That's it!  Think no further than that.  So he starts by demanding the moon hoping to negotiate down to getting a mountain.  Now that he's America's negotiator-in-chief,  he's going to act in the best interest of the USA and ask for the moon in his non-real estate position.  That's who he is.  He's been learning how to do that and been doing it since he sat on his father's lap.  If you try to take a half-a-dollar from him, he'll make sure he gets two dollars back from you. Trade, NAFTA, North Korea, China trade, NATO, Russia, Iran, immigration, the wall, Obamacare;  they're all the same.  It doesn't matter if we subsidize farms while Canada subsidizes airplanes.  He'll demand Canada stop putting interference with our plane manufacturers and then negotiate some deal that will make it better for America.  That's why we hired him after watching Obama give away our advantages.  Trump wants to make things better for us, not Canada or Europe or elsewhere.  Sorry I have to be the one to tell you.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3045 on: June 01, 2017, 12:42:03 am »

While the Trumpster may be on the verge of a substantial White House overall/reboot the problem isn't the people under him, the problem is him. Or so says that #FAKENEWS rag called The Wall Street Journal...

The White House Mess

This is the WSJ trying to get under Trump's skin and tell him what he should do, become president...not wasting his time and political juice on non-presidential activities like tweeting about stuff like covfefe...

While I'm not a Trump supporter (spoiler alert) I do certainly hope he doesn't simply screw America over–like he done so far.
For 7 of 8 years, Obama blamed the former President Bush for the problems he can't solve.  Instead of standing up and accepting he's the Chief Executive Officer of America, he blamed others.  The media parroted his complaints as America fell into weakness internationally.  Typical government bureaucratic complaints.  Trump, on the other hand, has already turned around the world's feelings about America's standing again.  With all the phony complaints, our enemies fear Trump.  He's no pushover.  Our allies, to their incessant whining about him, are being told to tow the line.  And they will. 

Regarding his staff, every CEO who takes over a business has to weed out the deadbeats, misfits, traitors, and others who can't support him as he needs.  That takes some time.  All former administrations have this issue as do commercial businesses.  I'm sure Trump will fine tune his staff now and will make future changes as required during his entire term.  One thing about Trump, he's not against firing people.  Sometimes it even seems heartless.   But he will hire and had already hired some top notch people around him.  The bad ones will be replaced.  That's a positive and the Wall Street Journal should understand that being a business paper.  Unfortunately, they too have fallen into the anti Trumpers.  What are you going to do? 

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« Reply #3046 on: June 01, 2017, 12:56:51 am »

Maybe I'm missing something. It sounds like people have tacitly accepted the notion that Europe is somehow screwing the USA on trade deals. Is this even true? I don't recall even hearing about such an idea until recently, and it sounds to me like just more nonsense that Trump has made up. How has this been kept a secret all this while, if it was true?

That all depends on whether or not a trade deficit is automatically a bad thing. It seems Trump has been led to believe this is so...but it's much more complicated that deficit bad/surplus good (it's a completely simplistic view in line with Trump's world view). Sorry to lay out so much data but, well you kinda asked for it :~)

Take this article from Forbes a magazine not noted for being a left wing progressive rag, right?

Mr. Trump, Here's Why Trade Deficits Are Good

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President Trump seems to have the wrong end of the stick when it comes to trade deficits.

He seems to think big trade deficits mean the U.S. is losing in the game of international trade.. But nothing could be further from the truth. They are good: The bigger the better, in fact.

Here's what you need to know:

In 2016 the U.S. bought $347 billion more goods from China than it sold that country, according to U.S. Government data..

Sales competition?

It's easy to see why most people view that massive sum as a failure. On the face of it, a trade deficit between two countries means that one country exported way more goods than the other. For anyone who thrives on competition and sales, this must sound like losing. For the highly competitive Mr. Trump, that almost certainly appears just so, likely with the accompanying mental headline: "Chinese Win In Export Battle -- Sold More to the U.S. than Vice Versa."

But international trade isn't a sales competition, and the U.S. isn't losing. In fact, it's winning at something far more important than export sales.

Get the most, give the least

The idea with international trade is to import the largest volume of goods and services for any level of exports, as David Ranson, director of research at consulting firm HCWE & Co. has explained to me many times. The more goodies you get rather than give, the better off you are. In fact, this is just like life. Anyone with a job wants to trade the fewest hours possible for the largest volume of dollars.

All this means that a big trade deficit shows that you got more for your exports than did the other country. The bigger the deficit, the better your country came out in the trade deal. Clearly, the U.S. came out $347 billion ahead. That's awesome, but it's only part of the deal. It actually gets better.

China funds the U.S.

The deficit itself ends up being financed by the country with the trade surplus. In simple terms, China funds the huge U.S. trade deficit by lending money, currently at ultra-low interest rates. That means that China is helping finance the U.S. economy. That's a good thing.

It's also worth remembering that if the U.S. had a trade surplus with China, then its economy would be financed by the U.S., which wouldn't be nearly as good.

So, Trump is all riled up on what he thinks is bad, us importing more than we export...when in fact running a trade deficit means we're winning...

As it relates to Europe, here a page from the Office of the United States Trade Representative, Executive Office of the President. Note, not sure if this has been updated in fact Robert Lighthizer was confirmed as President Donald Trump's trade czar only a few weeks ago so it doesn't look like the site has been updated or scrubbed...


European Union

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The U.S. economic relationship with the EU is the largest and most complex in the world, generating goods and services trade flows of about $2.7 billion a day [2012 estimate] and transatlantic investment is directly responsible for roughly 6.8 million jobs [2010 estimate].  This enormous volume of transatlantic trade and investment promotes economic prosperity on both sides of the Atlantic and in the dozens of other countries that trade with the transatlantic partners.  The United States and the EU continue to pursue initiatives to create new opportunities for transatlantic commerce.

Key Trade and Investment Data and Trends

U.S. goods and services trade with the EU totaled nearly $1.1 trillion in 2014 (latest data available for Goods and Services trade).  Exports totaled $495 billion; Imports totaled $587 billion.  The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with the EU was $91 billion in 2014.

The United States had $699 billion in total (two ways) goods trade with the European Union during 2015, its largest Goods trade partner.  Goods exports totaled $273 billion; Goods imports totaled $426 billion.  The U.S. goods trade deficit with the EU was $153 billion in 2015.

Trade in services with the EU (exports and imports) totaled an estimated $388 billion in 2014 (latest data available). Services exports were $219 billion; Services imports were $169 billion.  The U.S. services trade surplus with the EU was $51 billion in 2014.

According to the Department of Commerce, U.S. exports of Goods and Services to the EU supported an estimated 2.6 million in jobs in 2014 (latest data available) (1.2 million supported by goods exports and 1.4 million supported by services).

Exports

The EU countries, together, would rank 2nd as an export market for the United States in 2015.
 
U.S. goods exports to the EU in 2015 were $272.7 billion down 1.3% ($3.5 billion) from 2014 but up 46% from 2005.  U.S. exports to the EU accounted for 18.1% of overall U.S. goods exports in 2015.
 
The five largest country markets were: United Kingdom ($56.4 billion), Germany ($49.9 billion), Netherlands ($40.7 billion), Belgium ($34.1 billion), and France ($30.1 billion).
 
The top export categories (2-digit HS) in 2015 were: Aircraft ($34.8 billion), Machinery ($30.7 billion), Pharmaceutical Products ($26.4 billion), Optic and Medical Instruments ($26.2 billion), and Electrical Machinery ($20.9 billion).
 
U.S. domestic exports of agricultural products to the EU totaled $12.1 billion in 2015. The EU countries together would rank 4th as an Ag Export Market for the United States.   Leading categories include: tree nuts ($3.0 billion), soybeans ($1.9 billion), wine and beer ($685 million), and prepared food ($499 million),
 
U.S. exports of services to the EU were $219.3 billion in 2014 (latest data available), up 6.5% ($13.4 billion) from 2013, and 80% since 2004.  Intellectual Property (industrial processes, computer software), financial services, travel, professional and management consulting services, and transportation services (including education) categories accounted for most of U.S. services exports to the EU.

Imports

The EU countries together, would rank as the 2nd largest supplier of imports to the United States in 2015.
 
U.S. goods imports from the EU totaled $426.0 billion in 2015, up 1.9% ($7.8 billion) from 2014, and up 37% from 2005. U.S. imports from the EU accounted for 19.0% of overall U.S. imports in 2015.
 
The five largest country suppliers of imports are: Germany ($124.1 billion), United Kingdom ($57.8 billion), France ($47.6 billion), Italy ($44.0 billion), and Ireland ($39.4 billion).
 
The five largest categories in 2015 were: Machinery ($70.2 billion), Vehicles ($58.8 billion), Pharmaceuticals Products ($53.2 billion), Optic and Medical Equipment ($26.9 billion), and Organic Chemicals ($25.9 billion).
 
U.S. imports for consumption of agricultural products from EU countries totaled $20.0 billion in 2015. The EU countries together rank 3rd (to Canada and Mexico) as a supplier of Ag imports to the United States.  Leading categories include: wine and beer ($5.5 billion), essential oils ($2.6 billion), snack foods (including chocolate) ($1.4 billion), vegetable oils ($1.1 billion), and processed fruits and vegetables ($1.1 billion).
 
U.S. imports of services from the EU were $168.7 billion in 2014 (latest data available), up 3.8% ($6.2 billion) from 2013, and up 58% since 2004. Travel (including education), transportation services, and intellectual property (industrial processes, computer software), professional and management consulting services and research and development services categories accounted for most of U.S. services imports from the EU.

Trade Balance

The U.S. goods trade deficit with the EU was $153.3 billion in 2015, a 7.9% increase ($11.3 billion) over 2014  The U.S. goods trade deficit with the EU accounted for 20.8% of the overall U.S. goods trade deficit in 2015.
 
The United States has a services trade surplus of $50.6 billion with the EU in 2014 (latest data available), up 16.6% from 2013.

Yeah so we're running a goods trade deficit with the EU was $153.3 billion in 2015 but a services trade surplus of $50.6 billion with the EU in 2014

So, we're running a net -$102.7 billion deficit with the EU. By Forbe's logic, we're winning there too...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3047 on: June 01, 2017, 01:32:28 am »

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« Reply #3048 on: June 01, 2017, 01:33:51 am »

That all depends on whether or not a trade deficit is automatically a bad thing. It seems Trump has been led to believe this is so...but it's much more complicated that deficit bad/surplus good (it's a completely simplistic view in line with Trump's world view). Sorry to lay out so much data but, well you kinda asked for it :~)

Take this article from Forbes a magazine not noted for being a left wing progressive rag, right?

Mr. Trump, Here's Why Trade Deficits Are Good

So, Trump is all riled up on what he thinks is bad, us importing more than we export...when in fact running a trade deficit means we're winning...

As it relates to Europe, here a page from the Office of the United States Trade Representative, Executive Office of the President. Note, not sure if this has been updated in fact Robert Lighthizer was confirmed as President Donald Trump's trade czar only a few weeks ago so it doesn't look like the site has been updated or scrubbed...


European Union

Yeah so we're running a goods trade deficit with the EU was $153.3 billion in 2015 but a services trade surplus of $50.6 billion with the EU in 2014

So, we're running a net -$102.7 billion deficit with the EU. By Forbe's logic, we're winning there too...
First off the article doesn't seem correct in it's analysis. Maybe I missed it's point correctly.   It argues that Exports valued at less total dollars are paying for Imports valued at a total of more dollars.That's a barter system and not what's happening.  .  What we are doing is paying for imports with dollars not America goods. We're paying for the goods with an IOU called the dollar.   A piece of paper.  China can use the dollar to buy stuff from America, our exports, and use the dollar surplus to buy from other countries such as for Saudi Arabian oil or subsidize us buying our bonds with the dollar surplus.

But this will only end badly as we are now the world's largest debtor.  Years ago we were the world's largest creditor.  I rather people owed me a lot of money than the other way around. 

Regarding Europe, if Trump can get the EU to reduce its VAT taxes and import duties, America will be able to sell more and create more American jobs and greater wealth for the country.  The idea that selling less goods internationally is somehow better than selling more is illogical.  What business says it want to reduce sales and profits?  That doesn't happen.  They're always looking to expand sales and profits.  Remember, countries do not produce and sell products.  Private businesses do whether they're selling domestically or internationally.  More sales are better.  More exports are better.

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« Reply #3049 on: June 01, 2017, 05:10:44 am »

The USA has the largest economy in the world.  Really, the USA has the big stack; they are the Chipper MaGea at the poker table.  Merkel may not like the one holding the cards right now, but that makes no difference.   

Really, I don't like it when I play against some loud mouth player that always boast, but it does not stop me from working him and taking his chips.  Not that I am for that kind of behavior, but I am not going to let them stop me from taking his money. 

This is the same nonsense when people said Greek should tell Germany to shove it a few years ago with Germany's bailout demands.  It made no sense then; in that card card, Germany had all of the chips. 

Same thing here. 

Speaking from what I know, photography, Schneider has two, maybe three, factories in the USA making the some of the best lenses to supply for, by far, the largest cinematography market in the world.  Same thing with Carl Zeiss.  Do you really think Merkel is just going to sit back and let them pay out the ass in the tariffs to operate in this country, especially considering Canon and Fuji are all but too ready to take over that market?

This isn't about Merkel. Forget the focus on her. The USA is very powerful but no longer as powerful as it likes to think, I'm afraid. Take cameras - Asia has a camera market much larger than the USA's. Even Europe has a larger camera market than the USA's. The US imports more because it manufactures less. But those jobs and that manufacturing won't come back. The fantasy here is to think they will and then lash out when they don't. The "rustbelt" jobs are gone for good. They can only be replaced with different jobs, different skills, different industries. My country has exactly the same problem.

Countries will still talk to the American state and do minor deals here and there but I don't think they will line up to do big deals with an administration (and its family entourage) seen largely as crooked, toxic and quite possibly short-lived politically. What on earth is the point? No upside in that for state players. Within a year, the US may be under UN-applied sanctions for busting the Paris climate change accords. Instead, it is quite likely China will start making hay and new friends as Trump degrades old alliances. Europe + China = a market for goods and services larger or potentially larger than anything the US can offer. The world order is changing and it's hard to see how the US will benefit from Trump's behaviour. His view is that of a generation ago and his bellicosity is a turn-off. China is investing massively in infrastructure to transport goods all over the European-Asian landmass, from Beijing to Berlin. The scale of the China–Pakistan Economic Corridor alone is pretty darn large. The sheer size of what's happening is breathtaking but often not well publicized in the West. The big prize is China. Merkel is a messenger, if anything at all.

The world revolves around trade and trade revolves around alliances which promote peace. Similar problem here with the Brexit movement which badly underestimates Germany and France and overestimates Britain's clout in the world.

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« Reply #3050 on: June 01, 2017, 06:02:09 am »

Trump is a tough negotiator. From personal experience, he'll take it to the edge.

But does he have any experience with negotiating with equals?  It is easy to be a "tough negotiator" when negotiating with contractors where Trump can either just walk away in a snit or simply default on the agreement.  When he knows that he can "out lawyer" the other party, it's easy to be a tough negotiator.  But can he be trusted to negotiate when he can't walk away from the table... When he has to be held accountable for the results of the negotiation... when the only acceptable outcome is a compromise and not just what he wants?

Those are the questions that some of us have.  He does not seem to have that experience nor the temperament that would lend itself to the belief that he can learn "on the job".

Running a country is not like running a business. Never has been, never will.

Different skill set and one I am doubtful that Trump has.
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« Reply #3051 on: June 01, 2017, 07:13:54 am »

Stop reading the liberal, left Democrat media who thinks Trump doesn't know what he's doing.  They hate him so much that they can't see the forest through the trees.  So let me explain the what Trump is about.  It's so simple, yet his enemies refuse to see it much or talk about. They're having too much good time trying to make him look stupid, like a guy who's worth $3.5 billion is a dope.  Sheesch!

So you think no one has noticed that he's trying to do that?
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« Reply #3052 on: June 01, 2017, 07:52:21 am »

So here's the deal.  To him, unless he's getting the best deal around, it's not fair.  Even if it was fair.  That's it!  Think no further than that.  So he starts by demanding the moon hoping to negotiate down to getting a mountain.  Now that he's America's negotiator-in-chief,  he's going to act in the best interest of the USA and ask for the moon in his non-real estate position.  That's who he is.  He's been learning how to do that and been doing it since he sat on his father's lap.  If you try to take a half-a-dollar from him, he'll make sure he gets two dollars back from you. Trade, NAFTA, North Korea, China trade, NATO, Russia, Iran, immigration, the wall, Obamacare;  they're all the same.  It doesn't matter if we subsidize farms while Canada subsidizes airplanes.  He'll demand Canada stop putting interference with our plane manufacturers and then negotiate some deal that will make it better for America.  That's why we hired him after watching Obama give away our advantages.  Trump wants to make things better for us, not Canada or Europe or elsewhere.  Sorry I have to be the one to tell you.

My real point was this. What exactly has happened recently that is so bad between Europe and the USA that Trump feels the need to go insulting everyone with whom the USA has had previous good relations. This seems like a manufactured crisis to me. If there are things to renegotiate in trade agreements, there are ways to do that. Shooting his mouth off making imbecilic statements about "evil" Germany and BMW is not "tough negotiation". How many of you would continue to sit in a room negotiating with someone whose opening gambit is to call you names in what has been an otherwise friendly relationship? You are bending over so far to find something good and useful in him that it strains credulity. You can't possibly believe that anyone is fooled or pressured by these transparent "tactics".

And if the USA really and truly is annoyed that other countries are not pulling their weight in their own common defense, all the USA has to do is shut down some of their 700 military bases around the world. See if that prompts some action.

Permit me an anecdote. A neighbour lady is Moroccan-born and she visits family back home every couple of years. During her last trip she was at a local fest and met a Chinese businessman who was involved in a local infrastructure project. He had been living there for several years and stunned her because he spoke their local dialect very well. This is a common thing to see, I am told. Who do you think people are going to want to do business with, Trump or a guy like that?

I am curious. You said that he is worth $3.5 billion. Is this self-declared or a best guess? I question your assertion that because someone has money that he is smart. Sometimes it's true, of course, but not always. Just means he did something right along the way, doesn't mean he's a suitable world leader. I've worked along several good salesmen that I wouldn't hire to run a hotdog stand.

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« Reply #3053 on: June 01, 2017, 08:16:35 am »

China and EU strengthen commitment to Paris deal with US poised to step away
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/31/china-eu-climate-lead-paris-agreement

"Beijing and Brussels to set up new alliance to reduce global carbon emissions as Donald Trump says he will announce decision later on Thursday"

China and the EU will forge an alliance to take a leading role in tackling climate change in response to Donald Trump’s expected decision to pull the US out of the historic Paris agreement.

Trump tweeted on Wednesday night that he would announce his decision at 3pm ET (8pm BST) on Thursday. There are fears that will he confirm reports that the US will soon join Nicaragua and Syria on the small list of countries refusing to back the climate accord, signed in 2015.


Who really needs Trump's USA? Too unreliable, energy draining, just like Steve Bannon likes. Trump doesn't understand that he's being played by Bannon, who earlier tried it with Sarah Palin (an even easier target). Bannon is a really clever guy, but with a very unpleasant goal, the disruption of society in the USA. It's easier to take control when all is in turmoil, and nobody knows if the news is fake or not.

Cheers,
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3054 on: June 01, 2017, 10:26:23 am »


Who really needs Trump's USA? Too unreliable, energy draining, just like Steve Bannon likes. Trump doesn't understand that he's being played by Bannon, who earlier tried it with Sarah Palin (an even easier target). Bannon is a really clever guy, but with a very unpleasant goal, the disruption of society in the USA. It's easier to take control when all is in turmoil, and nobody knows if the news is fake or not.

Cheers,
Bart

Unfortunately, the climate really does need it - the USA's investment in fossil fuels may be forfeiting any claim it has to being a leader (and the opportunity to be among the dominant players in renewable energy), but it's a huge blow to the planet even if all the other signatories actually make good on their commitments.  And most of what is actually being done amounts to no more than bandaids that make people feel better, and give the illusion that our leaders are actually doing something.   

Your last sentence reminds me of Trump's earlier business venture (President being his latest) as a casino owner.  Casinos are designed in every way to guide people into position and distract them with all kinds of lights and sounds and even smells in order to addict them to their game, so that they don't notice what's actually being done to them - and even when they do, they are so addicted to the sensation they can no longer stop.   

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« Reply #3055 on: June 01, 2017, 12:10:06 pm »

But does he have any experience with negotiating with equals?  It is easy to be a "tough negotiator" when negotiating with contractors where Trump can either just walk away in a snit or simply default on the agreement.  When he knows that he can "out lawyer" the other party, it's easy to be a tough negotiator.  But can he be trusted to negotiate when he can't walk away from the table... When he has to be held accountable for the results of the negotiation... when the only acceptable outcome is a compromise and not just what he wants?

Those are the questions that some of us have.  He does not seem to have that experience nor the temperament that would lend itself to the belief that he can learn "on the job".

Running a country is not like running a business. Never has been, never will.

Different skill set and one I am doubtful that Trump has.
No one is equal to an American president.  Business CEO's and foreign leaders can only dream of having the levers of military and economic power that an American president has.  Obama didn't know how to use them.  Trump does and has the temperament to exercise them.   

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3056 on: June 01, 2017, 12:29:37 pm »

No one is equal to an American president.  Business CEO's and foreign leaders can only dream of having the levers of military and economic power that an American president has.  Obama didn't know how to use them.  Trump does and has the temperament to exercise them.
I agree nobody can equal Trump (thank God), but currently his temperament will be the biggest stumbling block to exercise the American economic powers. You can't bully people into deals they don't want to make. His current behaviour is 100% counterproductive to making any new or better deals for the US.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3057 on: June 01, 2017, 01:30:34 pm »

No one is equal to an American president.  Business CEO's and foreign leaders can only dream of having the levers of military and economic power that an American president has.  Obama didn't know how to use them.  Trump does and has the temperament to exercise them.

Exercise them to do what? What problem needs to be fixed, exactly? Are you saying that americans lack economic opportunity or that they are hampered by the rest of the world in some way? It was your own "free market" gurus who shaped your economy over the last generation. Are you actually blaming the left or hippies for that? Do you really think it's the media's fault that your manufacturing was sent elsewhere?

Your own leaders tossed your middle class overboard. Or are you blaming muslims and Europeans for that?

The strategy is so incoherent and confused that it's hard to know what you're even talking about.
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« Reply #3058 on: June 01, 2017, 01:38:43 pm »

I also do not have confidence that Trump understands that international negotiations encompass more than just the deal being negotiated. The world is much more nuanced than that.  We may negotiate a deal with country A on issue 1, but in a way that influences issue 20 with country A.  We may even negotiate a deal with country A on issue 1 in the context of how it affects a deal with country Q and issue 30.

It is all interconnected.

We often accept a less than optimal deal on issue 1, if it results in a more optimal deal on issue 50.  Everything about foreign policy is about nuance and externalities.

I fear that Trump can't see past the deal immediately in front of him.  He does not seem to have the attention span to think strategically.

I liken him to playing checkers in a chess match.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3059 on: June 01, 2017, 01:39:09 pm »

No one is equal to an American president.  Business CEO's and foreign leaders can only dream of having the levers of military and economic power that an American president has.  Obama didn't know how to use them.  Trump does and has the temperament to exercise them.

Temperament for sure, but not the wisdom.
It still escapes me why he wasted all these good Tomahawks and other damage on a totally misguided and ineffective bombing mission in Syria.
 
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