UK Referendum camera - advice required

[dwswager]

Ya. A bit like saying the EU Laws are to do with the sizing of fruit. Of course they had nothing to do with improving civil liberties, pay conditions and a whole plethora of other laws that have improved the lives of EU citizens.

Oh there is good with the bad, that is not in dispute.  But there could have been the good without the bad. 

The reason for the minimum size regulation on peaches is to keep the price of peaches high.  Winners of this government largess is able peach growers that get more for their crop.  Losers are consumers, especially the poor, that pay higher prices for peaches, less able peach growers or those that had less favorable weather, and society as a whole at the loss of peaches.  For the economic illiterate, I recommend Bastiat's 1850 paper That Which is Seen, That Which is not Seen and Gene Callahan's Economics for Real People.  What is gained on one hand is more than lost on the other, but the gain is concentrated and visible while the loss is diffuse and usually invisible.

Oh, and as a Yank, I have to admit that it is our belief that civil liberties are the right of the individual.  Government may protect or abridge them, but  can not grant them.  The rightful purpose of government is to protect life, liberty and property so that peace may reign over the land.  Government has no reason to be involved whatsoever in "pay conditions" which is a matter between employer and employee, for once involved it becomes and act of plunder.  Either the government forces pay to high and plunders the employer or pay too low and plunders the employee.

[Rob C]

Oh there is good with the bad, that is not in dispute.  But there could have been the good without the bad. 

Oh, and as a Yank, I have to admit that it is our belief that civil liberties are the right of the individual.  Government may protect or abridge them, but  can not grant them.  The rightful purpose of government is to protect life, liberty and property so that peace may reign over the land.  Government has no reason to be involved whatsoever in "pay conditions" which is a matter between employer and employee, for once involved it becomes and act of plunder.  Either the government forces pay to high and plunders the employer or pay too low and plunders the employee.

AFAIK, government employees get the best pensions, too! Here, in Spain, they also get the best - longest - holidays: try posting or collecting your mail around Xmas and New Year! Or even today, in Puerto Pollensa: Sts. Pere i Pau; aka Bonnie and Clyde, you could say.

Rob C

P.S. I don't know if Bonnie and Clyde made cameras, but the double-barrelled formula seems to have a future. Much like an improved smartphone that you can read in the full glory of sunlight.

[dwswager]

AFAIK, government employees get the best pensions, too! Here, in Spain, they also get the best - longest - holidays: try posting or collecting your mail around Xmas and New Year! Or even today, in Puerto Pollensa: Sts. Pere i Pau; aka Bonnie and Clyde, you could say.

Rob C

P.S. I don't know if Bonnie and Clyde made cameras, but the double-barrelled formula seems to have a future. Much like an improved smartphone that you can read in the full glory of sunlight.

In the U.S. that has been changing on the Federal level.  Not quite the gravy train as it used to be, but pay has gone up too.

Juxtapose President George Washington who twice turned down offers to be made King at the birth of our country and turned it down and President Barack Obama who on several occasions has opined on his desire to be dictator.  The character of our leaders has been in almost constant decline! As President Thomas Jefferson remarked "The natural progress of things is for the government to gain ground and for liberty to yield."

[Enda Cavanagh]

Oh there is good with the bad, that is not in dispute.  But there could have been the good without the bad. 

The reason for the minimum size regulation on peaches is to keep the price of peaches high.  Winners of this government largess is able peach growers that get more for their crop.  Losers are consumers, especially the poor, that pay higher prices for peaches, less able peach growers or those that had less favorable weather, and society as a whole at the loss of peaches.  For the economic illiterate, I recommend Bastiat's 1850 paper That Which is Seen, That Which is not Seen and Gene Callahan's Economics for Real People.  What is gained on one hand is more than lost on the other, but the gain is concentrated and visible while the loss is diffuse and usually invisible.

Oh, and as a Yank, I have to admit that it is our belief that civil liberties are the right of the individual.  Government may protect or abridge them, but  can not grant them.  The rightful purpose of government is to protect life, liberty and property so that peace may reign over the land.  Government has no reason to be involved whatsoever in "pay conditions" which is a matter between employer and employee, for once involved it becomes and act of plunder.  Either the government forces pay to high and plunders the employer or pay too low and plunders the employee.

They must have found a loophole because the peaches one gets in Ireland are far from huge!! There were way more important issues that the public did not understand which is why Cameron should have had the balls to let parliament vote on it. It just turned out into a simplistic nationalistic argument. Anyway. That's all I'm saying. I'm tired and grump )

[Alto]

Hi All

Staying with the photographic theme I counted the votes for my local area last week and there were a STOP more votes to leave than stay in .


Regards

Jon

[Telecaster]

The character of our leaders has been in almost constant decline! As President Thomas Jefferson remarked "The natural progress of things is for the government to gain ground and for liberty to yield."

The actual quote is: "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground." Implying that the first precedes the second rather than the second being its cause. IOW Big Government—including such concepts as the unitary executive, which I presume you objected to when the GWB admin tried it on for size and which the BHO admin may also be taking cues from—is a result of loss of liberty. Now note that "liberty" has become a loaded and much abused term. Or maybe it always has been such. Liberty for whom and from what?

IMO Jefferson is getting at the human tendency to relinquish degrees of freedom for the sake of gaining degrees of security. That it will happen is inevitable. Most people, as much as we may squawk about "freedom" this or "liberty" that, willingly make this tradeoff. A large, complex society maybe even requires it.

Again IMO, those of us who genuinely want a fresh start or a renewal (however we may define that) should take Buzz Aldrin's exhortation seriously: Get your ass to Mars! We need a pressure release valve—that is, new territory we can explore & settle & escape to—and this planet no longer has one.

-Dave-

[John Hollenberg]

Again IMO, those of us who genuinely want a fresh start or a renewal (however we may define that) should take Buzz Aldrin's exhortation seriously: Get your ass to Mars!

Actually, that was Arnold Schwarzeneggers line in the movie Total Recall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dW9pUA1BI

[Telecaster]

Hehe.    Of course Hauser is a character in a movie. Aldrin is a real person, and is genuinely serious. I've even got one of his t-shirts! 

http://store.buzzaldrin.com

-Dave-

[eronald]

I hear the UK has a new camera model called THE BACKFIRE.

Edmund

[eronald]

Government may protect or abridge them, but  can not grant them.  The rightful purpose of government is to protect life, liberty and property so that peace may reign over the land.  Government has no reason to be involved whatsoever in "pay conditions" which is a matter between employer and employee, for once involved it becomes and act of plunder.  Either the government forces pay to high and plunders the employer or pay too low and plunders the employee.

Really? You have a short memory, for not only was liberty plundered from the slave but also labor delivered to the owner, by said government. Oh, how proudly democracy can be applied in a fractionate way, denying the votes and rights of many, be it in the polis of Athens, post independence United States, or the modern and very present "only democracy of the middle east".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States

Edmund

[Rob C]

I hear the UK has a new camera model called THE BACKFIRE.

Edmund

It's got very low resolution: 52%, and according to some reports, insiders in the Company fixed the testing data by feeding in fake detail. There's a lot of fringing, and it's highly possible that the entire sensor will have to be redesigned as parts peel away.

Interesting times - I can see a lot of people being given the digital salute in time-honoured fashion.

Rob

[eronald]

It's got very low resolution: 52%, and according to some reports, insiders in the Company fixed the testing data by feeding in fake detail. There's a lot of fringing, and it's highly possible that the entire sensor will have to be redesigned as parts peel away.

Interesting times - I can see a lot of people being given the digital salute in time-honoured fashion.

Rob

Yeah, the Brits  keep checking their fingers, they're so afraid they got ripped off by those EU foreigners

Edmund

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Yeah, the Brits  keep checking their fingers...

And they were told by the Exit campaign that it should add up to to 12 of them.

they're so afraid they got ripped off by those EU foreigners

Well, those remaining 10 fingers are suddenly worth much less, with the downgrading of the credit rating (making loans and imports more expensive) and the drop of the exchange rates which seem to stabilize at a lower level than before the results of referendum (Camera) became clearer.

Solution, produce the camera in the UK (or England) with UK parts and labour only. The devaluation of the GB pound will make it attractive to export.

Cheers,
Bart

[Rob C]

And they were told by the Exit campaign that it should add up to to 12 of them.

Well, those remaining 10 fingers are suddenly worth much less, with the downgrading of the credit rating (making loans and imports more expensive) and the drop of the exchange rates which seem to stabilize at a lower level than before the results of referendum (Camera) became clearer.

Solution, produce the camera in the UK (or England) with UK parts and labour only. The devaluation of the GB pound will make it attractive to export.


Cheers,
Bart

To Japan, Germany or to Sweden?

Rob

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

To Japan, Germany or to Sweden?

To all of them of course, it will be cheaper to purchase in GB pounds because they are worth less (more Pounds to the Dollar / EUR / Chinese CNY / Russian Ruble / you name it).

It'll be really competitively priced compared to e.g. Hasselblad/Phase.

Cheers,
Bart

[Rob C]

To all of them of course, it will be cheaper to purchase in GB pounds because they are worth less (more Pounds to the Dollar / EUR / Chinese CNY / Russian Ruble / you name it).

It'll be really competitively priced compared to e.g. Hasselblad/Phase.

Cheers,
Bart

From where will they buy camera sensors - or will it be a brave new industry for Edgeland to pioneer?

Rob C

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

From where will they buy camera sensors - or will it be a brave new industry for Edgeland to pioneer?

Absolutely, opportunity knocks. I can already see the stickers, "Only English components inside ®".

Cheers,
Bart

[eronald]

Absolutely, opportunity knocks. I can already see the stickers, "Only English components inside ®".

Cheers,
Bart

This camera was made in the Rump Kingdom of England ...

Edmund

[BobShaw]

Actually the 1930's camera could be better. The biggest image capture we have in digital is about 50mm. Film was maybe 5 times that.
A bit like music on mp3 vs vinyl records and the common telephone which now has Donald Duck voice and fails 4 times per year. I digress.

Although not from the UK, but having been brought up watching Alf Garnett and Steptoe and remembering when British cars were made in Britain I would say this. Feel free to add more.

Top five reasons why Brexit occurred:
1. Stay voters were too drunk to get out of bed before 6PM (or whenever polls close)
2. It is not compulsory so nobody is going to force me to vote.
3. I don't have to vote because everyone is going to vote to stay anyway.
4. You never gave me the chance to vote to join the Common Market (as per Alf G) so cop this.
5. I have never been to the next county, why would I want to go all the way to France.