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« on: May 15, 2006, 08:27:56 pm »

I was using shutter lock up on my 20D yesterday for an into the sun sunset. I have reason to believe that maybe I damaged the curtains. I would leave the mirror locked up around 2 seconds, then trip the shutter. Once I forgot and probably waited 5 seconds. Could this have damaged the curtain?

The reason I ask is that some of the images were very over saturated in the yellow area, and the sunset wasn't really even yellow.

Is there any way to determine if there is damage from shooting into the sun with lock up?

Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2006, 06:50:08 am »

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The reason I ask is that some of the images were very over saturated in the yellow area, and the sunset wasn't really even yellow.
Are you sure that you're not just seeing "sensor blooming"?
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2006, 08:37:13 am »

Don't worry, it's impossible to damage the curtains in such a short exposure to focused sun. They are from metal after all...
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2006, 10:43:40 pm »

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Are you sure that you're not just seeing "sensor blooming"?
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Perhaps. I don't know why it overs aturated the yellows. I took some more sunset shots, and things look normal, however. I didn't use shutter lock up. I also didn't see any increase in sharpness either. Although from what I've read, the most troublesome shutter speeds for vibration due to the shutter atre between 1/4 sec and 1/60th. When I shoot sunsets, that is usually not a problem.

If they are made of metal, then why do manuals advise not opening the mirror into the sun for an extended time?

Thanks to those who replied.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2006, 05:01:10 am »

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Perhaps. I don't know why it overs aturated the yellows. I took some more sunset shots, and things look normal, however. I didn't use shutter lock up. I also didn't see any increase in sharpness either. Although from what I've read, the most troublesome shutter speeds for vibration due to the shutter atre between 1/4 sec and 1/60th. When I shoot sunsets, that is usually not a problem.

If they are made of metal, then why do manuals advise not opening the mirror into the sun for an extended time?


The yellows become oversaturated because of the IR sensitivity of the Canon sensor. It is a general characteristic, not specifically in relation to sunset images. It will also happen when shooting sunlit flowers (or late afternoon where flowers may exhibit a kind of afterglow, which apparently is IR or heat radiation). Even more interesting may be butterflies for example, which sometimes have spots on their wings which completely clip in digital capture.

The manual advises against prolonged sun exposure because the lens may be concentrating the light to a single spot as a magnifying glass may do, which will completely toast your sensor. Idem for the lens itself, because there is always the nodal point within the lens where the rays converge to a single point.

However, for a normal exposure, where the sun expands over a reasonable area, there shouldn't be any problem with the sensor or the lens.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2006, 12:28:41 pm »

Perhaps Michael could write an article on this.  It could be called "Frying Ants".
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2006, 04:03:39 pm »

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The yellows become oversaturated because of the IR sensitivity of the Canon sensor. It is a general characteristic, not specifically in relation to sunset images. It will also happen when shooting sunlit flowers (or late afternoon where flowers may exhibit a kind of afterglow, which apparently is IR or heat radiation). Even more interesting may be butterflies for example, which sometimes have spots on their wings which completely clip in digital capture.

The manual advises against prolonged sun exposure because the lens may be concentrating the light to a single spot as a magnifying glass may do, which will completely toast your sensor. Idem for the lens itself, because there is always the nodal point within the lens where the rays converge to a single point.

However, for a normal exposure, where the sun expands over a reasonable area, there shouldn't be any problem with the sensor or the lens.
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Thanks for that. So how long would it take to fry the sensor using shutter lockup and shooting a sunset?

Also, does shutter lock up amplify the yellow oversaturation?

Thanks much
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2006, 03:40:31 am »

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Thanks for that. So how long would it take to fry the sensor using shutter lockup and shooting a sunset?
I don't know. (Wasn't planning on trying either :-)), but most likely longer than your battery can sustain shutter release. You have to remember that the nodal point for the lens is obviously not on the sensor, nor on an exact lens element. So I don't think that damage will occur very quickly, but again, I don't know.

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Also, does shutter lock up amplify the yellow oversaturation?
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2006, 06:06:09 am »

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I don't know. (Wasn't planning on trying either :-)), but most likely longer than your battery can sustain shutter release. You have to remember that the nodal point for the lens is obviously not on the sensor, nor on an exact lens element. So I don't think that damage will occur very quickly, but again, I don't know.
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The least you could do is fry your 20D sensor so the rest of us know exactly how long it could take. Sheesh!  lol

But more seriously, the yellow blossoming was just a matter of light angle and color at that particular moment? And thanks again for the information.
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