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Equipment & Techniques => Digital Cameras & Shooting Techniques => Topic started by: cjmonty on April 09, 2010, 07:48:25 pm
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Whether you love, hate, or don't care about the iPad, a modest sounding app called "Camera A" is really showing off a remarkable possibility for touchscreen devices... if they can ever get properly and wirelessly tethered to DSLRs.
Basically it's a dummy-proof wireless tether between your iPhone and iPad. Download "Camera A" to the iPad, and "Camera B" to the iPhone, and open both apps. Suddenly your iPad is a big viewfinder for your iPhone's camera. You can release the shutter and "zoom" (fake digital zoom of course).
The problem? The iPhone camera is horrible.
The hope? Being able to do the same thing via the LiveView modes of a modern DSLR.
The reality? The iGadgets play well together because they share the same firmware. I doubt Canon, Nikon or the rest will be able, much less willing, to create cameras with WiFi or bluetooth and embedded functionality with iPhone OS, Android or other mobile platforms.
It would be nice though.
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Can already do this with an iPhone and your dslr, I'm sure an iPad version is in the works.
http://www.ononesoftware.com/detail.php?prodLine_id=38 (http://www.ononesoftware.com/detail.php?prodLine_id=38)
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Can anyone tells me what happen if your phone ring during tether? any field experience?
But with the Ipad that will not happen, and as they fixed the multitask issue.
But about handling, do you really thing it will be the best ergonomic way to tether the gear?
mmm...I'm sceptical.
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Imagine doing a fashion, product, architectural, landscape, etc, etc shoot with medium format or DSLR set-up and being able to instantly view the shot wirelessly on the gorgeous, 10", high-res, and sharp iPad screen. (If you haven't seen one yet, you owe it to yourself to drop into a Apple store just for the eye candy).
Imagine being able to pass it around to the AD, producer, or client, rather than have them clustered around a bulky monitor somewhere near a power point, with cables running all over the place.
I can.
And you can bet that there are lots of smart folks at camera makers and elsewhere beavering away as we speak to make this a reality sooner rather than later.
I can't wait.
Michael
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Imagine doing a fashion, product, architectural, landscape, etc, etc shoot with medium format or DSLR set-up and being able to instantly view the shot wirelessly on the gorgeous, 10", high-res, and sharp iPad screen. (If you haven't seen one yet, you owe it to yourself to drop into a Apple store just for the eye candy).
Imagine being able to pass it around to the AD, producer, or client, rather than have them clustered around a bulky monitor somewhere near a power point, with cables running all over the place.
I can.
And you can bet that there are lots of smart folks at camera makers and elsewhere beavering away as we speak to make this a reality sooner rather than later.
I can't wait.
Michael
...yeah...
It reminds me of an anecdote. On one Chanel campaign, Karl Lagarfeld was trying to explains to the photographer the essence of what he wanted. After many sessions ( no digital was involved then ) and viewings, he went crazy with the photographer, took the Pentax 6x7 and shoot the campaign himself.
You imagine if Lagarfeld would have had an Ipad ?
I can.
By the way, I think that the I.pad or whatever similar display will really have to be undestructible in order to do this revolution. It should be able to stand drops, clumsinesses, liquids etc...
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Can anyone tells me what happen if your phone ring during tether? any field experience?
But with the Ipad that will not happen, and as they fixed the multitask issue.
But about handling, do you really thing it will be the best ergonomic way to tether the gear?
mmm...I'm sceptical.
I know you can talk on an iPhone and use apps. I don't know if that applies to all apps or not, but you can always use airplane mode.. The new OS4 should help with this.
I think for some the device will be very useful if tethered others perhaps not so much. I imagine there will be gizmos to mount the iPad to various things such as in your car etc. Hopefully one will adapt to a tripod. I would love to tether this in the field to my phaseone for focusing. Tethering via wifi would be the best ... No cables.
I haven't dropped mine yet but it seems pretty sturdy. Damage from a fall will depend on how it lands, how far etc. I think i am less likely to drop it than the phone, especially in the case which makes it easier to grip as well as use on your lap. I have found it useful and fun for many things and the apps for it will be far more powerful and feature filled than the phone. The screen ia amazing, and is much easier clean and to keep clean than my iPhone.
Typing takes some adjustment because you don't rest your hand on the device - you learn pretty quickly to hover your hands. I can still type faster with a keyboard but am getting pretty good with the iPad now. I do all email and most web surfing on it now.
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I think for some the device will be very useful if tethered others perhaps not so much. I imagine there will be gizmos to mount the iPad to various things such as in your car etc. Hopefully one will adapt to a tripod. I would love to tether this in the field to my phaseone for focusing. Tethering via wifi would be the best ... No cables.
An easy tripod adapter would be perfect. Too niche though I think for anyone to break even on the production costs. Maybe if they used a universal adapter like the 3/8" screw or hotshoe dimensions. then it would be compatible with numerous lighting accessories ala magic arms.
Regarding the tethering software, I am torn as to whether I would prefer Canon/Nikon/Phase making highly-functional and polished but brand-specific apps (like apple) or a 3rd party developer making a brand-agnostic but functionally limited apps (like android)
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I'm surprised that all the comments are aimed to the specs and presentations etc...
But again, if that "table" (it reminds kind of Moise table, no?) has to be a game changer as Michael's intuition said, and I beleive he is right, don't you think that the undestructible feature is going to be as important as the specs?
Because I.pad and Co destiny is to be manipulated all day by all kind of people etc...
Thiese will have to stand any kind of bad treatment.
If not, it will just be another fancy gadget for fashionable photographers and AD.
When they'll do an add like Phase with the 4x4 wheels on the back, I'll start to beleive it is a game changer.
I suggest a test:
Throw the Ipad on the floor, and then, throw a glass of bad champagne on it (you don't want to waiste a Don Perignon 69), and see what happen.
Then clean the screen with alcool or any cheap product etc...
This is a real test for this medium.
The others are just specs speculations and limitations that we know they solve in the future. IMHO.
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Wayne,
Try Dragon Dictation. It's uncannily accurate, and makes the whole keyboard issue go away.
Michael
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Imagine doing a fashion, product, architectural, landscape, etc, etc shoot with medium format or DSLR set-up and being able to instantly view the shot wirelessly on the gorgeous, 10", high-res, and sharp iPad screen. (If you haven't seen one yet, you owe it to yourself to drop into a Apple store just for the eye candy).
Imagine being able to pass it around to the AD, producer, or client, rather than have them clustered around a bulky monitor somewhere near a power point, with cables running all over the place.
I can.
And you can bet that there are lots of smart folks at camera makers and elsewhere beavering away as we speak to make this a reality sooner rather than later.
I can't wait.
Michael
This kind of tablet has existed for years, both with proprietary OSs and Windows, so the ipad is nothing new - other than apple's marketing behemoth pushing the ipad on us why should things be any different now? Unless the unquantifiable 'it's apple so it's cool' factor is that strong that people get excited about old technology dressed up in new clothes.
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This kind of tablet has existed for years, both with proprietary OSs and Windows, so the ipad is nothing new - other than apple's marketing behemoth pushing the ipad on us why should things be any different now? Unless the unquantifiable 'it's apple so it's cool' factor is that strong that people get excited about old technology dressed up in new clothes.
Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. Cool it is, but cool has little to do with it. The iPad is nothing like any previous tablet, either in features or function.
Hype and marketing can only go so far before people discover whether the Emperor has clothes or not. In this case not only is he very well dressed, but he makes everyone else look naked by comparison.
It's about the whole ecosphere that Apple has created, as well as the iPad itself. It's elegant technology in and of itself, but when combined with the movie / video / book / application / publishing environment that Apple has put together, it's a game changer.
Only Sony has the ability to challenge Apple in this sphere, and somehow I doubt that they have the guts or the wherewithal to do it. Microsoft is still stuck in the Windows / DOS world, and Zunes aside, just doesn't get it, and if and when they do, it's too little too late.
There just isn't anyone else at this time. And with some $30 billion of free cash in the bank Apple is on a roll and unlikely to trip, unless something happens to Jobs in the near future, in which case all bets are off.
Michael
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There is a lot of money involved here, and if these are going to be what the print use to be centuries ago, Apple will not stay alone for a long time. Guarantee.
Now, talking about the replacement of flash, can someone tells what will happen to the video codec to display in html 5?
Apple did some fake ads for presentation, it is cool. But if they want us to not use flash any more, is that tech going to be Open? (as many prentend so) I seriously doubt it.
I hope the Emperor has shown his cards and plays fair. And that the new law table will be (sorry if I insist again): undestructible.
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Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. Cool it is, but cool has little to do with it. The iPad is nothing like any previous tablet, either in features or function.
Hype and marketing can only go so far before people discover whether the Emperor has clothes or not. In this case not only is he very well dressed, but he makes everyone else look naked by comparison.
It's about the whole ecosphere that Apple has created, as well as the iPad itself. It's elegant technology in and of itself, but when combined with the movie / video / book / application / publishing environment that Apple has put together, it's a game changer.
Only Sony has the ability to challenge Apple in this sphere, and somehow I doubt that they have the guts or the wherewithal to do it. Microsoft is still stuck in the Windows / DOS world, and Zunes aside, just doesn't get it, and if and when they do, it's too little too late.
There just isn't anyone else at this time. And with some $30 billion of free cash in the bank Apple is on a roll and unlikely to trip, unless something happens to Jobs in the near future, in which case all bets are off.
Michael
I am not "wrong", personal media tablets have been available for years, this is a fact not an opinion. I didn't claim it was a bad product (ie that the emperor had no clothes) simply that it is not as revoultionary a product as you think and if what you think will happen does indeed happen it will be because their marketing is so good (in addition to the pretty design and easy interface) that a hell of a lot more people buy it than did media tablets by other manufacturers. This will make it a self fulfilling prophecy ie there will be a lot of content given the large captive market. Which again comes down to marketing expertise and not a 'revolutionary' product - when was the last time you saw a Cowon or Archos ad on tv? Hell who here even know who Cowon is?
How does being able to send pictures wirelessly to another device have anything even to do with the ipad alone that hasn't been possible all this time with laptops, some of which are convertible tablets? THe pad may be more elegant but this is hardly 'revolutionary'.
Sony has been lagging innovation-wise with consumer electronics a long time ago, however, in this case they seem to be waiting for colour e-ink, and even htough they may end up with better hardware their interface and software will be horrible as per usual with them. microsoft is more a software company than anything else but their journal (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/microsofts-courier-digital-journal-exclusive-pictures-and-de/) doesn't seem bad.
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Only Sony has the ability to challenge Apple in this sphere, and somehow I doubt that they have the guts or the wherewithal to do it.
Sony's CEOs and CTOs have been very open about their strategy in this domain for at least 2 years. I wouldn't bet agains them. They are going through a transformation that is probably un-heard of in a company that size/history/complexity.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Wayne,
Try Dragon Dictation. It's uncannily accurate, and makes the whole keyboard issue go away.
Michael
Wow. Very cool. Thanks for the tip.
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And that the new law table will be (sorry if I insist again): undestructible.
Not sure what you mean by this and why you feel something that could be run over is necessary. I see it as robust or more so than any laptop or netbook out there, and it certainly would be easy to design a case that would make it even more protected. It seems to be fine.
I am not "wrong", personal media tablets have been available for years, this is a fact not an opinion.
I've tried many of these devices, from the newton, a couple windows attempts at a tablet, and some recent netbooks. You may label it as a "personal media tablet" and thus categorize it as nothing new, it is in fact nothing like anything I have ever used. I was very skeptical that it was nothing but an oversize iPod touch, but once you use one for a while the similarities end at a touch screen interface and the icons that represent the apps. there is a lot of potential. It is interesting how the device becomes the app you are running at the time, intuitive and functional.
It will change the game ...by now many are working on similar devices, and one of them is bound to break free of the windows metaphor and reinvent the OS to provide an experience more like the iPhone OS than a traditional OS, perhaps Sony, some Linux developers, google - maybe even MS. Long term there will be non-Apple options, some of which will probably be pretty good.The idea of consuming media via a light portable device is certainly going to gain momentum, and once you have the device for that, it opens the doors for many other possibilities.
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Imagine doing a fashion, product, architectural, landscape, etc, etc shoot with medium format or DSLR set-up and being able to instantly view the shot wirelessly on the gorgeous, 10", high-res, and sharp iPad screen. (If you haven't seen one yet, you owe it to yourself to drop into a Apple store just for the eye candy).
Imagine being able to pass it around to the AD, producer, or client, rather than have them clustered around a bulky monitor somewhere near a power point, with cables running all over the place.
I can.
And you can bet that there are lots of smart folks at camera makers and elsewhere beavering away as we speak to make this a reality sooner rather than later.
I can't wait.
Michael
This app exist today when shooting into computer, but for the iPhone.
http://www.leaf-photography.com/products_lcremote.asp (http://www.leaf-photography.com/products_lcremote.asp)
Phase/Leaf just has to port to iPad.
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Not sure what you mean by this and why you feel something that could be run over is necessary. I see it as robust or more so than any laptop or netbook out there, and it certainly would be easy to design a case that would make it even more protected. It seems to be fine.
I've tried many of these devices, from the newton, a couple windows attempts at a tablet, and some recent netbooks. You may label it as a "personal media tablet" and thus categorize it as nothing new, it is in fact nothing like anything I have ever used. I was very skeptical that it was nothing but an oversize iPod touch, but once you use one for a while the similarities end at a touch screen interface and the icons that represent the apps. there is a lot of potential. It is interesting how the device becomes the app you are running at the time, intuitive and functional.
It will change the game ...by now many are working on similar devices, and one of them is bound to break free of the windows metaphor and reinvent the OS to provide an experience more like the iPhone OS than a traditional OS, perhaps Sony, some Linux developers, google - maybe even MS. Long term there will be non-Apple options, some of which will probably be pretty good.The idea of consuming media via a light portable device is certainly going to gain momentum, and once you have the device for that, it opens the doors for many other possibilities.
Wayne,
The sturdiness is going to be relevant in a coming generations, now not that much IMO. I'll explain why.
Is the I.Pad a game changer? I certainly beleive it is. Or more exactly: the game is about to experiment a revolution where the I.Pad is the forerunner.
It is a little different but I won't play with words.
Actually, the proof that this is serious is that I have more work now from clients who asked me to get rid of the flash features in their websites and work on html alternative in order to be displayed properly in I.pad and I.phones.
I'm not talking about ads wich is where the "problem" stands but about structures.
I think that Michael is not right when he pointed that Apple is going to play alone for awhile (although it depends what we understand in terms of time).
Sony is not going to stand still, and there are some informations that Adobe is working with HP in a Flash compatibility alternative.
Why is The I.pad a sort of first revolution?
Chex posted here a true comment saying that these kind of tablets where not new. But no one as gone as far as Apple. It is the user experience and the integration of multitask etc...that makes the I.pad a game changer. I'll do a comparaison with MFT. MFT was not new, Evil cameras did exist before, but MFT pushed the concept to such a level that it became a revolution. Now...will MFT stay alone for a long time? The answer is 90% NO. Sony, probably Pentax are coming, and others will come.
As always, Apple has done the best in usability and features. That's their strengh.
To see the user experience
Someone in another thread posted this visual link that shows well a configuration.
http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/201...viewing-on.html (http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2010/04/idisplay-wireless-client-viewing-on.html)
Back to resistance, why did I pointed that the I.pads or Co will have to be undestructible? and that this will be a key factor?
Now, what Michael describe here, this experience on the field, is possible right now as it is with no need to more structure strurdiness.
But the I.pad is MORE than a tool for photographers. It will be able to compeat with the paper press and give to the user a totally new dimension in this area. These tablets have the capability to make a enormous revolution further than the applications we tend to talk now.
So, these tablets will be passed in hundreds of hands every day, will have to handle kids, pets, clients, drinks etc...you see? This will not just be a nice and fancy display for photographers, it will need to be a "military tank" and will have to be built under military standards.
Then, back to Michael comment, he seems to see the I.pad a little bit in one way, the light side. For the photographer and AD, it is a great tool, but as everything, there is also a dark side. That is why I posted the Karl Lagarfeld story.
The I.pad can be a fantastic help as it can also be a problem with certain clients and put even more pressure to the photographer. I just depends on the situation. So there is no magic land.
Revolutionary it is, and a game changer.
But this game is long path and we'll have I'm sure many surprises from others soon or later.
Cheers.
Ps: Sorry to ad more. And I forgot: Cheap pricing, open source video encoder.
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As many have posted, and as I realize more and more, the important part about the iPad is bringing a new, non-windows interface to real computing, not just smartphones. Whether its from Apple, Sony, or MSoft, its going to be all about the OS software.
This is a good, if poorly titled, article:
http://gizmodo.com/5506692/ipad-is-the-future (http://gizmodo.com/5506692/ipad-is-the-future)
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This app exist today when shooting into computer, but for the iPhone.
http://www.leaf-photography.com/products_lcremote.asp (http://www.leaf-photography.com/products_lcremote.asp)
Phase/Leaf just has to port to iPad.
Yes and it works well with both Capture One and Leaf Capture
...and an iPad version is in the making;-)
Yair
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I've tried many of these devices, from the newton, a couple windows attempts at a tablet, and some recent netbooks. You may label it as a "personal media tablet" and thus categorize it as nothing new, it is in fact nothing like anything I have ever used. ...
... many are working on similar devices, and one of them is bound to break free of the windows metaphor and reinvent the OS to provide an experience more like the iPhone OS than a traditional OS ...
Wayne,
thanks for your observations. I agree with you about the keys to success for the coming wave of "bigger screen hand-held devices" (like the HP Slate, or the book-like Microsoft Courier), and the reasons why none has succeeded before the iPad. The user interface and perhaps the whole OS and software environment need to be adapted to both the addictive wonder of multi-touch and hardware constraints that are very different than for a desk-top (from now on, "desk-bound") computer. Good execution needs everything from an OS and application software written for a touch screen interface and modest memory needs, to strict resource priority for on-screen process responsiveness (no virtual memory paging or memory leaking background processes), to energy efficiency far better than with any current processor using Intel x86 architecture.
It will not work to shoe-horn a desktop UI, memory hungry keyboard-oriented desktop software, a free-for-all approach to background process activity, and a power hungry x86 architecture processor (including Intel Atom processors) into a device with a small screen and operated by under a pound of batteries. And it needs more innovation than running a web browser with some touch features added, as with the Google Chrome OS idea. Maybe Android or Moblin/MeeGo or Windows Phone (as rumored for the Microsoft Courier) will be good competing platforms.
I do regret though that the iPhone OS approach might never let me run some of the serious programming tools of my trade, so I wonder how good VNC or Remote Desktop clients are as a way of occasionally using an iPad to work on a remote "real computer".
P. S. Things change quickly: the NYT reports that Google might be planning a "slate" running its Android phone OS, as opposed to its net-book oriented Google Chrome:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/12/a...news-for-adobe/ (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/12/a-google-tablet-could-be-good-news-for-adobe/)
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there is a very interesting comparison between the slate ipad and joojoo on engadget....
the great thing about the ipad is that it is not osX....which would need a much faster processor/ larger battery/.....to come close to provide the same performance.....
the slate ( and all other tablets before) is simply window7 with touch.....osx or windows7 aren't made for touch....the interface is made to be used with a mouse and does not work with fingers....
the ipad is a first gen product and the possibilities are just amazing....but to think that we will have a ipad capable of crunching 40mpix raw files coming in at 1fps via wifi n and adding adjustments on the fly anytime soon is crazy....
i am looking into the canon wifi grip right now....built in server....shoot raw+jepg....check out the shots in safari on the ipad (up to 5 actually at the same time)....no other cpu needed.....fine for thumbs and general composition....email some files for layout right away....all on an amazing screen, 10+ hours battery.....this is doable right NOW and it is cheaper then mbp.....
yes this post is from an ipad....
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there is a very interesting comparison between the slate ipad and joojoo on engadget....
the great thing about the ipad is that it is not osX....which would need a much faster processor/ larger battery/.....to come close to provide the same performance.....
the slate ( and all other tablets before) is simply window7 with touch.....osx or windows7 aren't made for touch....the interface is made to be used with a mouse and does not work with fingers....
the ipad is a first gen product and the possibilities are just amazing....but to think that we will have a ipad capable of crunching 40mpix raw files coming in at 1fps via wifi n and adding adjustments on the fly anytime soon is crazy....
i am looking into the canon wifi grip right now....built in server....shoot raw+jepg....check out the shots in safari on the ipad (up to 5 actually at the same time)....no other cpu needed.....fine for thumbs and general composition....email some files for layout right away....all on an amazing screen, 10+ hours battery.....this is doable right NOW and it is cheaper then mbp.....
yes this post is from an ipad....
Are you talking about this?
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Hey...
Foxy idea! Thanks.
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yes.....i wish it was wifi n.....just speeds things up and gives you more range.....but for now the wft e4 ii will have to do and should work for tranferring jpegs for quick viewing....
the only way i can describe the screen of the ipad is that it reminds me of looking at 8x10 chromes on a lightbox....
also: i guess red announced today that the epic will have built in iphone/ipad remote viewing/monitor.....which really should not be that hard...wifi n is fast enough to stream the finder image.....
i guess we should give this whole thing another week or two to come up with some more fun solutions....
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I do regret though that the iPhone OS approach might never let me run some of the serious programming tools of my trade, so I wonder how good VNC or Remote Desktop clients are as a way of occasionally using an iPad to work on a remote "real computer".
This is another thing I take issue with. So a 12" thinkpad tablet has wifi,can pair with a usb dongle or mobile phone to get 3g internet anywhere, can run real applications including photoshop and lightroom, but is inferior to an ipad because its not as pretty and doesn't have a multitouch interface? To addinsult to injury the iphone OS system is very closed and apple are dictating which software does and does not get on to there - using a 'real' OS would not result in issues like this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8616274.stm).
I dunno if you've actually read the story about the emperor with no clothes on - if you do you'll see that the majority of people did not want to acknowledge the fact and the one person who did was laughed at. History does not paint a pretty picture for the idea that people will see through the bullshit and not succumb to contagion - see tulip mania, the missisipi bubble, the French fiat money scandal, the '29 stock bubble, the '99 dotcom bubble, the '08 credit bubble, the '10 sovereign debt bubble. Millions of people are willing to choose an inferior product (not that the ipad is inferior) which is pretty and cuts out the amount of thinking you have to do for yourself. The ipad is a nice toy, but to assert that it will 'revolutionise' the industry is laughable - the ipad is definitely not the first step towards an almot entirely electronic media - this movement started long before it was announced and was not fueled by the tablet rumours that had been about for about 10 years now. Just because it may end up being the most widespread point of access to electronice media doesn't mean that it led the revolution, it is nothing more than a new toy jumping on a pre-existing bandwagon. The real future for electronic media is colour e-ink which is visible in any light and doesn't burn your eyeballs out and maybe the next ipad will have that.
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The real future for electronic media is colour e-ink which is visible in any light and doesn't burn your eyeballs out and maybe the next ipad will have that.
And 3D, sooner than we expect IMO.
Ps: I think that the interesting path taken by Apple is html5 and a non flash video for ads etc... But we are just at the begining of much more powerfull things to come.
The point I'd like to make is that many criticisms have been aimed from a photographer point of view, normal where we are, but I.Pad is not made for photographers only, so it just makes sense that it is unperfect. I'll see Adobe very strong in this terrain if they make the step with a big company like Sony for example.
Cheers.
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This is another thing I take issue with. So a 12" thinkpad tablet has wifi,can pair with a usb dongle or mobile phone to get 3g internet anywhere, can run real applications including photoshop and lightroom, but is inferior to an ipad because its not as pretty and doesn't have a multitouch interface? To addinsult to injury the iphone OS system is very closed and apple are dictating which software does and does not get on to there - using a 'real' OS would not result in issues like this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8616274.stm)
I don't think anyone said the computer you describe is inferior. In fact the iPad is not intended to replace a computer, there is an assumption that the iPad is an ancillary device to a full computer. That may change, because in fact you really don't need a computer to do many things, but for most the iPad is an alternative to pulling out your laptop or going to your desk.
As far as Apple and it's control, I think that is overhyped. The app store offers great marketing potential- good for developers, as well as a simple and almost foolproof delivery method. Apple's control is about verifying the code you put on the device works correctly and doesn't affect the user experience on things such as system stability and battery life. Other than inaapropriate porno type of apps or blatantly obvious attempts at getting a lot of money for something worth nothing, Apple doesn't seem to have a real policiy about what apps are "allowed" ... there is a LOT of crap in the app store. They are not making some evaluation of what the app does and if it's worth what you want to charge. It's a model which as served the iPhone market very well.
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This is another thing I take issue with. So a 12" thinkpad tablet has wifi,can pair with a usb dongle or mobile phone to get 3g internet anywhere, can run real applications including photoshop and lightroom, but is inferior to an ipad because its not as pretty and doesn't have a multitouch interface? To addinsult to injury the iphone OS system is very closed and apple are dictating which software does and does not get on to there - using a 'real' OS would not result in issues like this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8616274.stm).
I dunno if you've actually read the story about the emperor with no clothes on - if you do you'll see that the majority of people did not want to acknowledge the fact and the one person who did was laughed at. History does not paint a pretty picture for the idea that people will see through the bullshit and not succumb to contagion - see tulip mania, the missisipi bubble, the French fiat money scandal, the '29 stock bubble, the '99 dotcom bubble, the '08 credit bubble, the '10 sovereign debt bubble. Millions of people are willing to choose an inferior product (not that the ipad is inferior) which is pretty and cuts out the amount of thinking you have to do for yourself. The ipad is a nice toy, but to assert that it will 'revolutionise' the industry is laughable - the ipad is definitely not the first step towards an almot entirely electronic media - this movement started long before it was announced and was not fueled by the tablet rumours that had been about for about 10 years now. Just because it may end up being the most widespread point of access to electronice media doesn't mean that it led the revolution, it is nothing more than a new toy jumping on a pre-existing bandwagon. The real future for electronic media is colour e-ink which is visible in any light and doesn't burn your eyeballs out and maybe the next ipad will have that.
the thinkpad is not the only product out there....the modbook has a touchscreen....and runs osX...this is not about windows vs mac....simply adding a touchscreen to an interface that wasnt made for touch just does not make any sense....
those little sonys had touch, built in wifi, 3g, ran PS,...but it is just not practical....
you need at least the equivalent of a macbook pro (core2duo) 4gb ram and 256 vram to really run ps, lr, c1,.....then add in 3-4 hour battery and you are back at a much larger laptop/ macbook pro.....the ipad is only so fast at what it does because it is more or less a huge battery with a big screen...and a custom processor designed for the os it runs....
whcih is why the HP slate has to have a 1.6 chip (compared to a 1 in the ipad) and still runs slower.....and yes it runs flash (badly) and the battery is dead within a couple of hours.....
all existing tablets have one problem: they are running a os that needs enormous recources already.....
the ipad runs an os that came first on a phone....and is much much simpler, leaner, faster....
anyone who wants to run ps on a ipad got it wrong.....
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whcih is why the HP slate has to have a 1.6 chip (compared to a 1 in the ipad) and still runs slower.....and yes it runs flash (badly) and the battery is dead within a couple of hours.....
all existing tablets have one problem: they are running a os that needs enormous recources already.....
the ipad runs an os that came first on a phone....and is much much simpler, leaner, faster....
anyone who wants to run ps on a ipad got it wrong.....
Exactly. The downside of the Slate is that it's more a tiny "traditional" laptop architecture that runs W7 and therefore is hungry.
Rumors in the developpers sphere, that I mentionned here further up, is that HP and Adobe are working on an big evolution right now. But I guess the choice of windows os is going to be their bet, and it's not the best one. They should be at least a "light" Windows version or something like that.
Apple seems to take in a path and the others in another.
But Apple seems to be on the right path. Old clients are asking me to rebuilt their websites without flash, it's a "sign of the times" and for me thanks to Apple: no flash=more money. I'll be able soon to purchase the Sinar back I want and mount it on the Contax 645.
When the HP went to the light, many observer beleived that when Apple will release the I.pad, it will completly eclipse the Slate, and that is what happened.
Marketing power only? I don't think so. Simply the I.pad is a better product IMO.
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Rumors in the developpers sphere, that I mentionned here further up, is that HP and Adobe are working on an big evolution right now. But I guess the choice of windows os is going to be their bet, and it's not the best one. They should be at least a "light" Windows version or something like that.
I've heard rumors of another HP slate running Android, and I suppose a future option in Windows-world is using Windows Phone OS, once that is upgraded (allowing some multitasking by third party apps and cut-and-paste, both to be absent from the initial release of Windows Phone ) ... much the way that iPhone OS is adding functionality as the low power ARM-based hardware it runs on becomes more powerful. But a full desktop OS on a small battery-powered hand-held is like running a full-sized pickup on a engine designed for a sub-compact.