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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Fotogman on May 31, 2009, 06:16:21 pm
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I just went to the Leaf website, and they have new software available for their NEW Aptus II-10 and AFi II-10 systems.
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LC 11.2.4 has been out for a little while now.
Leaf Capture 11.2.7 was been released for the Aptus II-10 and the AFi II-10.
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LC 11.2.4 has been out for a little while now.
Leaf have released today (1st June 2009) version 11.2.7 for the AFi II 10 and the Aptus II 10 plus additional support for raw file formats in OS 10.5.7.
http://www.leaf-photography.com/support/downloads (http://www.leaf-photography.com/support/downloads)
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Leaf have released today (1st June 2009) version 11.2.7 for the AFi II 10 and the Aptus II 10 plus additional support for raw file formats in OS 10.5.7.
http://www.leaf-photography.com/support/downloads (http://www.leaf-photography.com/support/downloads)
Peartree, is there anything at all that you can say about Leaf's state to stop all the Leaf owners from jumping off cliffs?
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Peartree, is there anything at all that you can say about Leaf's state to stop all the Leaf owners from jumping off cliffs?
Don't Do It!!!
All I can say is, we at Peartree in the UK are continuing to supply and be supplied from Leaf, both the Aptus II and AFi II product lines. I would suppose that Kodak, as a public company would not comment on conjecture and speculation and probably have instructed their employees to do the same. Remember, supporting professional photographers for the guys at Leaf, isn't just a job, it's a vocation.
Keep the faith!
Andy
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All I can say is, we at Peartree in the UK are continuing to supply and be supplied from Leaf, both the Aptus II and AFi II product lines. I would suppose that Kodak, as a public company would not comment on conjecture and speculation and probably have instructed their employees to do the same. Remember, supporting professional photographers for the guys at Leaf, isn't just a job, it's a vocation.
Thanks for the comment. However, I suppose it is not unfair to ask for a clarification to whether or not Kodak's closure of certain pro digital projects includes Leaf or not???
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Keep the faith!
Sounds as future of the Leaf is rest assured.
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I do not know about Leafs future being assured ,with no official comment from Leaf management and Kodak's track record ?
The software upgrades could have been done some time ago and all the stock available could be inventory that needs to be sold
off.
I suppose all we can do is wait some more.
Terence
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... Kodak's closure of certain pro digital projects ...
The news is that Kodak ISRAEL has closed its small (50 person?) pro digital division; that is not the same as Kodak overall having ended its pro digital division, since it is more likely that Kodak has simply relocated/consolidated that activity.
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The news is that Kodak ISRAEL has closed its small (50 person?) pro digital division; that is not the same as Kodak overall having ended its pro digital division, since it is more likely that Kodak has simply relocated/consolidated that activity.
No chance Kodak would halt development of a professional product like Leaf and leave their customers with nowhere to go, most likely they might shift the production to alongside the SLR/n.
Kevin.
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... most likely they might shift the production to alongside the SLR/n.
Very funny. If you think that Kodak is no longer involved in the pro digital sector, you have overlooked its production of sensors for various digital medium format backs (though not for the Leaf ones!) and its Canadian based CREO division, whose assets Kodak was after when it incidentally acquired Leaf.
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At this time its simple math.
All the tech assembling Leaf backs FIRED
All the Tech producing the Leaf Software FIRED
All the marketing FIRED
= It sounds like Kodak is done with Leaf and trying to sell it off?
i am not sure how Leaf America is set up? When you call Leaf America you get the Mac Group?
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Very funny. If you think that Kodak is no longer involved in the pro digital sector, you have overlooked its production of sensors for various digital medium format backs
Yes, Phase One and Hasselblad. Phase One's most recent two backs use Dalsa sensors... Significant?
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All the tech assembling Leaf backs FIRED
All the Tech producing the Leaf Software FIRED
All the marketing FIRED
People were fired by Kodak Israel, which is consistent with operations like assembly and software development being moved to another country.
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Yes, Phase One and Hasselblad. Phase One's most recent two backs use Dalsa sensors... Significant?
But Hasselblad still uses lots of Kodak MF sensors, including the 50MP one in its most recent back.
Are you seriously suggesting that news of the shut-down of a 50 person operation in Israel is evidence that Kodak's US-based sensor operation is being shut down?
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Yes, Phase One and Hasselblad. Phase One's most recent two backs use Dalsa sensors... Significant?
Hi
Kodak CCD sensors are Made In The USA.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/article_print...0902Kodaksensor (http://www.dpreview.com/news/article_print.asp?date=0807&article=08070902Kodaksensor)
Denis
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But Hasselblad still uses lots of Kodak MF sensors, including the 50MP one in its most recent back.
Are you seriously suggesting that news of the shut-down of a 50 person operation in Israel is evidence that Kodak's US-based sensor operation is being shut down?
At this time I am avoiding making any conclusions at all. There is too little information. You have to wonder what it means when a long-time Kodak customer switches to Dalsa though.
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Carsten,
It is meaning nothing else but that a manufacturer buys/gets the sensor which he needs (technically speaking), at the time he needs it and at the costs he gets/can afford/needs it from THIS sensor manufacturer who can produce it.
Best regards,
Thierry
At this time I am avoiding making any conclusions at all. There is too little information. You have to wonder what it means when a long-time Kodak customer switches to Dalsa though.
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Carsten,
It is meaning nothing else but that a manufacturer buys/gets the sensor which he needs (technically speaking), at the time he needs it and at the costs he gets/can afford/needs it from THIS sensor manufacturer who can produce it.
This makes sense in the general case, but as far as I am aware, Phase has *always* bought Kodak sensors, until the P65+ and P40+. I find it difficult to believe that now being the first time that Dalsa sensors have made more price/performance sense than Kodak is a coincidence. There are many possible theories about why this might be, of course, including coincidence. Another would be that Kodak has not been advancing as fast as Dalsa recently, due to R&D cutbacks. There are others too. I just wish we had more information.
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This makes sense in the general case, but as far as I am aware, Phase has *always* bought Kodak sensors, until the P65+ and P40+. I find it difficult to believe that now being the first time that Dalsa sensors have made more price/performance sense than Kodak is a coincidence. There are many possible theories about why this might be, of course, including coincidence. Another would be that Kodak has not been advancing as fast as Dalsa recently, due to R&D cutbacks. There are others too. I just wish we had more information.
Hi
From what I heard is that Phase went to Kodak & asked for a newer sensor design with sensor plus. Kodak said no so they asked Dalsa & the rest is history ( 65+ & 40+). Also Phase did use the Phillips chip about 10 years ago.
http://www.epi-centre.com/reports/9902cs.html (http://www.epi-centre.com/reports/9902cs.html)
Dalsa bought Phillips. With Leaf as far as I can remember they have always used the Dalsa CCD sensor & Phillips in the past. Except for the Valeo 6 which used a CMOS 24x36 chip which was not Dalsa. Sinar uses both the Kodak & Dalsa chip.( depends on the model)
Denis
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This makes sense in the general case, but as far as I am aware, Phase has *always* bought Kodak sensors, until the P65+ and P40+.
No, Cartsen, the Light Phase (6 MPx), the Phase 11 MPx, ... are/were Philipps/Dalsa sensors.
I find it difficult to believe that now being the first time that Dalsa sensors have made more price/performance sense than Kodak is a coincidence.
There are many possible theories about why this might be, of course, including coincidence. Another would be that Kodak has not been advancing as fast as Dalsa recently, due to R&D cutbacks. There are others too. I just wish we had more information.
Fact is that Dalsa was ready to develop a sensor for/with Phase, under their specifications, and with an exclusivity.
Best regards,
Thierry
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Valeo 6 which used a CMOS 24x36 chip which was not Dalsa.
For correctness,
t was Leaf C-MOST digital back, not Valeo 6.
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And for the fun of completely useless trivia the Phase One FX+ was a Sony line sensor.
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Dalsa bought Phillips.
To be more precise, Dalsa bought the CCD sensor division of Phillips, which is why Dalsa as a whole is Canadian, but some or all of its medium format CCD sensor R&D activity is in the Netherlands (Phillips' home).
As to Kodak vs Dalsa: it does look as if Dalsa has taken a performance edge over Kodak with their respective 6 micron cell designs, and Dalsa is also getting some customers by offering larger maximum sensor sizes (and higher pixel counts): Dalsa offers 40x54mm (60MP) and 36x56mm (56MP) vs Kodak's 37x49mm (50MP).
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At this time I am avoiding making any conclusions at all. There is too little information.
Here I totally agree: Leaf is on my DMF "at risk" list, along with Sinar, Hy6, Leica and Pentax. Four makers of digital backs and/or digital bodies and three lens/body systems is already too many, and Leica and Pentax are about to make the market even more overcrowded.
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Here I totally agree: Leaf is on my DMF "at risk" list, along with Sinar, Hy6, Leica and Pentax. Four makers of digital backs and/or digital bodies and three lens/body systems is already too many, and Leica and Pentax are about to make the market even more overcrowded.
I generally agree, but I would remove Leica from that list, at least for the next few years. The owner, Herr Doktor Kaufmann, is in a long-term investment, expansion and planning stage, and doesn't expect much back for the foreseeable future. He is bringing all the various companies in the group back to the new Leica industrial park, which is currently being built in Wetzlar, the original home of Leica, and a larger city than Solms. He is expanding the Leica camera system on as many fronts as he can. And he is worth some billions, and is personally a huge Leica fan, and a shrewd business man and investor, so at the very least, he expects that he can pull it off. Even if everything fails, the plan will run for some years without deviating from the plan.
The other at-risks are much shorter term.
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Right now I'd like Leaf to do 2 things to enhance my confidence in their software:
1. Match the PC version with the Mac version with a shorter timeframe. 11.2.x should be available for PC by now, but instead only 11.1 is available.
2. Allow for installation of the PC software on 64 bit operating systems. Right now installation is stopped, whereas the code/installer could be written to install as a 32 bit program on a 64 bit platform.
Unfortunately Leaf is lagging behind Hasselblad (64 bit PC application) and Phase One (32 bit PC application on 64 bit OS) right now as a result.
Finally, being able to choose my own password on the website would be much appreciated!
Too much to ask?!