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Title: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on November 20, 2016, 03:43:14 pm
I note that my B&H order for the Hasselblad X1D system is suddenly being processed and made ready for shipment, credit cards I imagine being charged, etrc. No tracking number given, yet.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Doug Peterson on November 20, 2016, 11:27:45 pm
Congratulations to Hassy and best wishes for those with one on preorder.

The era of digital mirrorless larger-than-35mm format begins!
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: minicoop1985 on November 21, 2016, 07:02:48 am
This is fantastic news. Hasselblad really needs this as a kick in the pants.

What Chris said makes me wonder. Will Leica or Mamiya come out with a mirrorless medium format digital rangefinder? This could be interesting.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: ErikKaffehr on November 21, 2016, 10:41:38 am
Hi Doug,

You forgot another one, the camera in the foreground in the enclosed image…

Best regards
Erik

Thanks. I'm quite familiar with the Mamiya 7 :).

I've now expressly added the implied word "digital" in my well wishes.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: kers on November 21, 2016, 12:53:53 pm
Too bad those beautiful Mamiya7 lenses do not have a digital body to fit them.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on November 21, 2016, 01:03:15 pm
Checked with B&H, and they are processing, but don't have the camera in stock. They sent me the 30mm lens, and had others ready to go. So, we are still waiting for Hasselblad to come across with the actual camera. Sorry.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Joseph Colson on November 25, 2016, 08:59:21 am
Michael, no need to apologize. There are others of us in the same boat. I wasn't aware that the XCD 30mm was shipping. The XCD 45mm and 90mm are in stock and the 30mm shows January availability. I've pre-ordered the 30mm but no joy yet from B&H.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: hasselbladfan on November 28, 2016, 10:44:35 am
It is disappointing that Hasselblad is taking customers money for lenses that cannot be used (yet).

This is not right. IMHO.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: sgilbert on November 28, 2016, 11:22:57 am
Hasselblad isn't "taking: the money;  B&H are.  And they're "taking" the money from people who have presumably decided they'd rather have the lenses they want even if the camera isn't ready yet.

I guess it'd be different if someone bought a lens based on a promise Hasselblad made about the availability of the camera.  Is that the case?
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: ErikKaffehr on November 28, 2016, 04:25:33 pm
Hi,

I was in a pretty similar state with Sony A7rII one and a half year ago. The camera was announced in June and I got mine end September. Got some lens stuff before having a camera to test it on.

In this case, Hasselblad is delivering lenses before delivering any camera body those lenses could be used with. This may be a bit disputable. It may be that lens owners encounter issues once they receive a camera they can put their lenses on.

Hopefully, Hasselblad will be helpful in resolving any possible issues.

On the other hand, we must realise that mirrorless cameras are a bit demanding on the firmware side. Hasselblad probably encountered an unexpected problem or two in putting the X1D into production. It is probably better that customers get a finished product than a not fully functional prototype.

There is another aspect. When a new camera is released there will be a lot of test reports, and those test reports may indicate any weakness with the product. Most of those things can be improved with firmware updates. But firmware updates won't repair initial test reporting.

Things Take Time, we need to accept that!

Best regards
Erik

Hasselblad isn't "taking: the money;  B&H are.  And they're "taking" the money from people who have presumably decided they'd rather have the lenses they want even if the camera isn't ready yet.

I guess it'd be different if someone bought a lens based on a promise Hasselblad made about the availability of the camera.  Is that the case?
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: hasselbladfan on November 29, 2016, 03:34:11 am
Hasselblad isn't "taking: the money;  B&H are. 
I guess it'd be different if someone bought a lens based on a promise Hasselblad made about the availability of the camera.  Is that the case?

Yes, they promised the camera for end August.

Let's not be naive. If B&H takes the money, it will flow very quickly to H.

Depending where you are in the waitlist, it may take months before you can use the lenses that are billed in November.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: eronald on November 29, 2016, 05:09:01 pm
Yes, they promised the camera for end August.

Let's not be naive. If B&H takes the money, it will flow very quickly to H.

Depending where you are in the waitlist, it may take months before you can use the lenses that are billed in November.

At the moment, everybody is preannouncing cameras they don't supply for at least 6 months after showing prototypes. It's an industry trend.

Edmund
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: BernardLanguillier on November 30, 2016, 01:31:50 am
At the moment, everybody is preannouncing cameras they don't supply for at least 6 months after showing prototypes. It's an industry trend.

Not quite true. Phasone announced the IQ3+XF and it was available the same day.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: hasselbladfan on November 30, 2016, 06:06:50 am
At the moment, everybody is preannouncing cameras they don't supply for at least 6 months after showing prototypes. It's an industry trend.

This not my point.

I agree : delays can happen, planned or unplanned. :)   But if they happen you don't bill your customers for lenses they cannot use.

You keep these lenses then nicely in your warehouse till you are ready to ship the cameras. That is customer service.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: TonyVentourisPhotography on November 30, 2016, 08:02:20 am
I would think everyone would want to do this.  I imagine impulse and excitement sales would be a lot more plentiful too.

Not quite true. Phasone announced the IQ3+XF and it was available the same day.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Paul2660 on November 30, 2016, 08:02:57 am
Not quite true. Phasone announced the IQ3+XF and it was available the same day.

Cheers,
Bernard

Available in very limited numbers less than 10 most likely.   There was a long wait 3 months on average (not as long as this situation) for initial orders that become much worse after the earthquakes in Japan.


Phase also gave preference to new orders not upgrades from previous backs. Something I found to be a bit disappointing.

Edit:  However I only had to pay a 20% deposit on the IQ100, not the full cost as it seems some folks may have paid full for the kit back when it announced.  However usually in cases like this in the US B&H will not charge your card until the product is available. 

Paul Caldwell
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: hcubell on November 30, 2016, 09:00:37 am
Not quite true. Phasone announced the IQ3+XF and it was available the same day.

Cheers,
Bernard

Actually, Ye ars before the XF was formally announced, Phase One and its dealers had been privately telling or at least implying to anyone who asked that Phase was working on a brand new body that would replace the legacy Mamiya Body, particularly when another warmed over iteration of the Mamiya body appeared and everyone groaned. 
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Ken Doo on November 30, 2016, 09:26:19 am
Actually, Ye ars before the XF was formally announced, Phase One and its dealers had been privately telling or at least implying to anyone who asked that Phase was working on a brand new body that would replace the legacy Mamiya Body, particularly when another warmed over iteration of the Mamiya body appeared and everyone groaned.

There is a world of difference between talk of developing a new body, camera, or lens---and an actual official company announcement of a product release, specifications, etc.  In this regard, Phase One has been pretty consistent in its announcements and delivery of cameras, lenses and MFDBs.  Hasselblad, not so much. The X1D may not be the flagship offering, but imho, successful delivery of the X1D is of utmost importance to Hasselblad. It says a lot about innovation, something fresh and new, rather than simply adopting the most recent sensor that Phase One is using and insert it into its own brand of MFDBs. The delays hurt. I hope a lot of X1Ds get delivered for Christmas.

There is also a big difference between prototypes being tested and official announcements with orders being taken.  Delay is not the new norm or an industry trend.  ::)   ...and I doubt Hasselblad is complacent about the X1D delay or attributing it to an acceptable industry trend.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: hubell on November 30, 2016, 11:23:51 am
There is a world of difference between talk of developing a new body, camera, or lens---and an actual official company announcement of a product release, specifications, etc.

Yes, the former is much worse in my mind. It creates Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt that handicap one's ability to plan acquisitions of equipment around a reasonable timetable. I would rather have a company make an announcement of a product and say it is our intention to deliver this in 3-4 months than whisper in people's ears that they are working on a new camera body, the subtext of which is to be patient and don't jump ship. Did anyone have a problem with Fuji announcing the GFX camera, which gave potential buyer of the X1D a heads up about a competitive offering?
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: ErikKaffehr on November 30, 2016, 02:20:29 pm
Hi,

I would say roadmaps are good and rumours are not so good.

Best regards
Erik

Yes, the former is much worse in my mind. It creates Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt that handicap one's ability to plan acquisitions of equipment around a reasonable timetable. I would rather have a company make an announcement of a product and say it is our intention to deliver this in 3-4 months than whisper in people's ears that they are working on a new camera body, the subtext of which is to be patient and don't jump ship. Did anyone have a problem with Fuji announcing the GFX camera, which gave potential buyer of the X1D a heads up about a competitive offering?
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Telecaster on November 30, 2016, 03:11:06 pm
If I'm not mistaken B&H gives you the option to have items in an order shipped individually, per availability, or to hold off 'til all items are in stock. (Note: I may be thinking of my favorite guitar shop instead, so apologies if I'm wrong.)

-Dave-
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: etto1972 on December 01, 2016, 05:15:51 pm
Any one with some new about the release of the camera???
It has been too long :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 02, 2016, 06:51:32 am
Well, I just heard that B&H, once again, has put off the delivery of the X1D, not to mention charging me months ago for the 30mm lens, with no camera to use it with. Personally, I have had about enough.

It seems the Hasselblad seems to have jumped the gun on the X1D, perhaps fearing the Fuji GFX or whatever. The bottom line is that no camera has been forthcoming AND they may be in over their head in logistics, re-design or who-knows-what.

We are close enough to the Fuji GFX’s appearance for me to wait for that. Fuji has a pretty good history of delivery on time, and the fact that there will be adapters for my many F-Mount lenses is an additional plus. Yes, I love the look of the X1D, but in fact that is not everything. I liked the idea of an X1D kit that was small and even got behind the idea of no adapter for my Nikon-mounts, just as a bit of discipline.

However, I am straying from all those concepts. We know that Fuji will make solid lenses, and the focal-plane shutter is a big plus for me. I hate to miss the jet-set of Hasselblad by a few months or a few dollars, but I don’t really care. I am wondering about how others feel about this endless delay and the advent of the Fuji GFX. The GFX is 75g heavier than the X1D, but I won’t use the GFX viewfinder anyway (it is removable), being LiveView oriented, so it will probably come out being the same or less weight than the X1D.

Before I pull the plug on the X1D, any clear ideas why I should not go for the GFX. Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: eronald on December 02, 2016, 07:51:10 am

Before I pull the plug on the X1D, any clear ideas why I should not go for the GFX. Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this.

By the time any of these products hits the streets and these forums in real numbers, somebody else will already have preannounced something better. I think the best strategy is to wait for early reports from real users (not "reviews") and buy something that doesn't have prototype manufacturing defects or major firmware issues.

Edmund
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 02, 2016, 08:03:17 am
By the time any of these products hits the streets and these forums in real numbers, somebody else will already have preannounced something better. I think the best strategy is to wait for early reports from real users (not "reviews") and buy something that doesn't have prototype manufacturing defects or major firmware issues.

Edmund

I hear you and agree. however, in my case I have a few things that I need and both the X1D and the GFX offer these. Kicking the can down the road as to new offerings is eternal, so at some point we actually have to shoot some photos. I like the elegance of the X1D, but am perhaps more attracted to the practicality of the Fuji GFX (price, alt lens mounts, etc.)
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: JeffS on December 02, 2016, 03:08:09 pm
LensRentals will stock the X1D (if and when it appears).  They haven't yet confirmed the same regarding the GFX.

I'll wait to try both before deciding....only way for me to gauge is to take pics and make prints using my own workflow. Reviews, even on finalized product, will never give me the same feedback.  The key unknown, however, will still be lens rollout timing.

Jeff
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: BernardLanguillier on December 02, 2016, 05:08:26 pm
I guess that if Hasselblad were confident they could ship before X-Mas they would have made that clear already. Which means mid to end January at the earliest... or 5 months delay.

I would think that Fuji will probably have a final shipping date announced by then... at about the same time as the  D810 replacement is likely to be announced... ;)

As far ad I am concerned my MF plans are put on hold although I had started to purchase some second hand Hasselblad based equipment already.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 02, 2016, 05:28:40 pm

As far ad I am concerned my MF plans are put on hold although I had started to purchase some second hand Hasselblad based equipment already.

Cheers,
Bernard

Same here. I am now selling that equipment, cancelled my X1D lens adapter... cancelled the 30mm X1D lens, and am about to cancel all the rest.  I have been a good sport, but the Fuji GFX looks better and better to me, since I have so many F-Mount lenses and am realizing Hasselblad has purposely put their foot in the door or misjudged what it takes to bring their product to market. Either way, not a good sign. The lack of direct explanation from Hasselblad is disappointing.

For all I know, there may be some sensor breakthough from Nikon that would allow them to offer a 50 Mpx FX sensor that more closely approximates the MF 50 Mpx sensor. I was "locked in," but now am more willing to wait and see, hold on to my money, and see what comes. I have been hanging in there since before August, but popped out of that bubble.

Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: JKevinScott on December 02, 2016, 09:31:51 pm
Same here. I am now selling that equipment, cancelled my X1D lens adapter... cancelled the 30mm X1D lens, and am about to cancel all the rest.  I have been a good sport, but the Fuji GFX looks better and better to me, since I have so many F-Mount lenses and am realizing Hasselblad has purposely put their foot in the door or misjudged what it takes to bring their product to market. Either way, not a good sign. The lack of direct explanation from Hasselblad is disappointing.

For all I know, there may be some sensor breakthough from Nikon that would allow them to offer a 50 Mpx FX sensor that more closely approximates the MF 50 Mpx sensor. I was "locked in," but now am more willing to wait and see, hold on to my money, and see what comes. I have been hanging in there since before August, but popped out of that bubble.

Same here.  I'd like to give the X1-D a shot.  I've pre-ordered it three different times, each time after they communicated a date, and have cancelled two of those pre-orders when they slipped, and am about to cancel the third order.  Shame is that I'm looking for a backup MF camera for my road kit for my portrait work, and the X1-D looked like it might be a really good option.  Unfortunately I have expenses to manage, shoot logistics to plan, techs and assistants to book, etc., and I can't do any of that without knowing what I'm shooting.  Hasselblad certainly isn't helping on that front and has inspired little confidence that I can rely on anything that they say in terms of dates.  If they get to the finish line before Fujifilm does with the GFX, this guy might make it into my kit.  I'm rooting for them.  But by God they're making it challenging.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Jlister on December 07, 2016, 07:07:00 pm
BandH just put February as the expected delivery date on the X1D. 
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 08, 2016, 01:16:41 am
BandH just put February as the expected delivery date on the X1D.

I will leave my order in at B&H, since I can always return it, but if the Fuji GFX arrives first, I probably will buy that. It actually does more for me than the X1D (Nikon Mount adapter, etc.) , but the haptics of it are not as nice. I like the idea of the X1D being a neat, concise, lovely camera, since I still have other cameras (D810, etc.) to use along side it. I don't need the leaf shutter, but I like the idea on the X1D of using Nikon flash. I have every reason to believe that the Fuji will top notch... unless it is not. Or, I could buy the X1D, use it, sell it, and get the GFX, since it is less money anyway. Hasselblad could have been more helpful in telling us exactly what is happening. IMO, that was a mistake on their part.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: hasselbladfan on December 11, 2016, 10:58:02 am
B&H mentions the black version for FEBRUARY !! Nothing is mentioned for the regular one.

Is it such a big deal for Hasselblad to inform their customers, who placed an order.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: hubell on December 11, 2016, 04:53:21 pm
B&H mentions the black version for FEBRUARY !! Nothing is mentioned for the regular one.

Is it such a big deal for Hasselblad to inform their customers, who placed an order.

Not a big deal....they have already announced that the X1D will start to ship to end users next week in limited quantities, but they will not be able to fill all open orders by the end of the year. The Special Edition apparently will not start to ship until February 1. There supposedly will be an interview with the Hasselblad CEO on LuLa tomorrow that will address the shipping delays on the X1D and the state of the firmware.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: mtakeda on December 11, 2016, 07:07:56 pm
Can you tell me where I can find this information? Thank you.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: BernardLanguillier on December 11, 2016, 07:24:33 pm
An official Hassy representative is commenting in this thread: http://www.getdpi.com/forum/medium-format-systems-and-digital-backs/59983-where-x1d.html

He seems to confirm that a small number of cameras will be shipping to early pre-orders in December time frame.

There seems also to be several versions of beta firmwares still being applied to test bodies.

I guess we'll know more tomorrow.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: NickT on December 11, 2016, 07:56:09 pm
B&H isn't the only place selling cameras... The cameras will be shipping in December in limited numbers, see Perry's upcoming interview here for more information.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Kevin Raber on December 11, 2016, 08:24:23 pm
On Friday I interviewed Perry and the Ove regarding shipping status of the X1D.  I'll have an article finished in the morning on what's going on and what to expect.  I took the X1D to Antarctica and have had a few weeks with it.  It's a real nice camera.  I just upgraded the firmware to the latest and shipping firmware.  I will be completing my testing and will get a review started very soon.  There is a lot to like about this camera and it will only get better.  More sometime on Monday.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Joseph Colson on December 11, 2016, 09:48:15 pm
There is a lot to like about this camera and it will only get better.

I know. I pre-ordered one with the two XCD lenses on June 23. I have the lenses but no camera. I'm sure watching a video interview will make me feel a whole lot better. Sarcasm intended.

Joe
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: eronald on December 12, 2016, 09:45:25 am
I know. I pre-ordered one with the two XCD lenses on June 23. I have the lenses but no camera. I'm sure watching a video interview will make me feel a whole lot better. Sarcasm intended.

Joe

There's a handson in dpreview today.

My feeling is the hardware really is in production, but the firmware is not yet quite full-featured, and stability unknown. Don't sell your H5 yet ;)

They are probably hand-making these in super-small batches, which means they will get delivered piecemeal. Brand N and C make cameras in huge runs, so when one person gets one a lot of people get them.

I think users are gonna be happy, and Hassy may get away with this preannouncement, but if they do it again they'll get burnt.

Edmund

Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Joseph Colson on December 12, 2016, 10:12:12 am
To "Nick-T" (Nick Tressider), "Hasselblad Official", Ming Thein, Kevin Raber, and all those who are representing Hasselblad and the X1D,

Thank you for your periodic (but cryptic) updates on the progress towards completion of the X1D. While it is encouraging that Raber says, "There is a lot to like about this camera and it will only get better" and DPReview says "So far though the X1D is really very nice to use, and already produces first class images...If the pre-production firmware that I've used is anything to go by though, it will certainly be worth the wait" and Ming Thein says "...there is no question in my mind that the concept is sound and image quality is top notch...I think the images say enough – it’s already shaping up to be a formidable tool for its size", I didn't need all of those glowing reports to pre-order the camera and lenses on June 23. I had enough confidence in Hasselblad and enough experience with digital photography to know that the announcement, specifications and design of the camera (captured in images presented on the Hasselblad website) were "game changing", to use Hasselblad's description from the announcement. I had enough experience with the H4D-40 and H4D-50 to know and love the quality and aesthetic of Hasselblad designs. And I had enough faith, given the fact that pre-production cameras were already being shown and demonstrated, to pre-order the camera for late August/early September delivery.

I have been patient and have not (yet) cancelled my pre-order. I have taken delivery of the two available XCD lenses and have received assurances from B&H that I can return them if I decide to do so once I have a camera. I have been in communication with my regional Hasselblad sales representative to be kept in the information flow from Gothenburg. I have been in communication with two "brick and mortar" Hasselblad dealers, in addition to B&H, based on a recommendation from the regional sales rep.

I have watched as cameras have been demonstrated at Photokina and Photo Plus. I have watched as cameras have been demonstrated in retail shops. I have watched as cameras have been taken for "test drives" by the chosen few, perhaps in the spirit of increasing the hype surrounding the camera or perhaps to get critical feedback on its features and flaws or perhaps for both reasons.

At this point, I don't need additional marketing videos. I don't need online reviews proclaiming the X1D as the best thing since sliced bread. I don't need explanations and apologies and excuses for not delivering to plan. It doesn't help me to know that Kevin used the camera for two weeks in Antarctica. Perhaps he ordered his on June 22. It doesn't help me to know that Annie Leibovitz or some other famous photographer is shooting with the X1D. I don't need all the marketing bulls&%t.

The only thing that will satisfy me at this point of my frustration is the timely delivery of the Hasselblad X1D camera that I pre-ordered on June 23, almost 6 months ago. Is that too much to ask? Am I being unreasonable? Can I not draw my own conclusions once I get the camera in my hands? Do I need another Hasselblad Ambassador or favored Web reviewer to weave stories of rainbows and butterflies emanating from the camera's sensor? No. Ship me a damn camera please!!!

Joe
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 12, 2016, 11:09:06 am
The latest update for Adobe Camera Raw now includes the Hasselblad X1D.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: peterv on December 12, 2016, 11:24:03 am
Joe, out of a photographer's interest, may I ask: Do you feel that during the past months you've actually missed shots because of the absence of the X1D?
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: etto1972 on December 12, 2016, 02:48:44 pm
Joe, out of a photographer's interest, may I ask: Do you feel that during the past months you've actually missed shots because of the absence of the X1D?

I don't know about Joe
but back in late October in order to buy the X1D i sold most of my Canon gears !!!
On Wednesday i am leaving to Europe Budapest-Copemhagen-Rome
and because of this unprofessionally handled "delay affair" I feel totally cheated

Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: fotagf8 on December 12, 2016, 03:53:02 pm
Very symphathetic to those who pre-ordered.  Seems like there was an element of vapor ware in this. 

The good news.  Because this appears to be software driven, when the camera finally ships, there should be a lot more in the initial balance.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: hasselbladfan on December 12, 2016, 04:48:10 pm
Very symphathetic to those who pre-ordered.  The good news.  Because this appears to be software driven, when the camera finally ships, there should be a lot more in the initial balance.

The good news should be that Hasselblad offers a 10% discount on al pre-orders.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: BernardLanguillier on December 12, 2016, 06:57:04 pm
but back in late October in order to buy the X1D i sold most of my Canon gears !!!

Apologies, but I cannot comprehend why you did such a thing...

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: mtakeda on December 12, 2016, 07:16:15 pm
I share Mr. Colson's frustration. I hope  Hasselblad has been abusing customer's trust too long. I too had preorder on June 22 but cancelled it. I lost trust in that company. The worst thing they did was they kept their mouth shut regarding continuous delay of shipment.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 12, 2016, 08:40:16 pm
In an earlier post, Kevin Raber said he would post a review or some account today sometime. Does anyone know where that is posted?
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Kevin Raber on December 12, 2016, 10:43:15 pm
Sorry for the delay in posting the article that now is on the home page of this site.  I do want to make it clear that I feel for all those that have ordered and not seen their cameras delivered.  I was loaned a demo unit to try out during my Antarctica trip.  I am in no way an ambassador for Hasselblad or any other camera company as was implied (quite understandably).  The unit I received was for doing a review.  As I explained in my article I reached out to Hasselblad and particularly Perry Osting the CEO, on my return when I saw all the posts in the forum.  He was kind enough to spend time on the phone and explain the delays.  What I share in my article is directly from my talk with Perry. 

I will now begin to shoot more images as well as prepare a write up on this camera.  There is a lot to like about the X1D and there are some things that need attention or seem to be missing.  The images are very nice but for me working with Phocus software I find to be unintuitive . The images I show in the article were processed in Lightroom.  I have also tried something new and made a few images click to enlarge.  While it is not great it is better than the 810 pixels found in articles.  We are working on some new features for the site and one of those is zoom into detail feature for select images.  Our team is working on that as well as some other new features.

I do hope that the article does explain where Hasselblad is at as far as deliveries.  It will be a tough 90 or more days for some as there is quite a backlog of cameras to work through. 
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: NickT on December 12, 2016, 11:22:16 pm
working with Phocus software I find to be unintuitive .

It's actually a pretty solid piece of software these days. It has nothing like the features of C1 or Lightroom, in my world it's job is to tweak tethered images as they come in or just a RAW processor. Then it's off to Lightroom to do the keyboarding rating sorting galleries etc etc all of which Lightroom does better.

Happy to answer Phocus questions if any one has any.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: cgarnerhome on December 13, 2016, 12:20:28 am
Thanks Kevin!  I appreciate the additional information.  I have an X1D on order and I will wait things out.  Hopefully, this is a good learning experience for the company and more importantly Perry.  My experience, having run a public company for many years, is that timely, direct and honest communication is the only way to build a strong reputation and customer loyalty.  All Perry had to do was to be upfront with the delay and trust that customers (camera stores and users) would rather have the facts than be left in the dark. People are generally very forgiving when they are presented with the truth.  Under promise and over deliver is always a good adage!  I wish the company great success as we will all benefit with strong product options.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: hubell on December 13, 2016, 12:24:28 am
Thanks, Kevin, Can you elaborate on what needs attention or is missing?
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: BernardLanguillier on December 13, 2016, 02:07:59 am
It's actually a pretty solid piece of software these days. It has nothing like the features of C1 or Lightroom, in my world it's job is to tweak tethered images as they come in or just a RAW processor. Then it's off to Lightroom to do the keyboarding rating sorting galleries etc etc all of which Lightroom does better.

Happy to answer Phocus questions if any one has any.

Hi Nick,

A major issue, the major issue IMHO, I still see with Phocus is the lack of integrated purple fringing suppression.

Would you be able to communicate with their dev team to communicate this and try to get a plan?

Thank you.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Hasselblad on December 13, 2016, 02:41:47 am
Hi Bernard,

Thank you for the feedback. Your suggestion has been forwarded to the Phocus development team.

// The Hasselblad Team

Hi Nick,

A major issue, the major issue IMHO, I still see with Phocus is the lack of integrated purple fringing suppression.

Would you be able to communicate with their dev team to communicate this and try to get a plan?

Thank you.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: BernardLanguillier on December 13, 2016, 08:40:05 am
Hi Bernard,

Thank you for the feedback. Your suggestion has been forwarded to the Phocus development team.

// The Hasselblad Team

Much appreciated, thank you!

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: etto1972 on December 13, 2016, 08:48:37 am
Apologies, but I cannot comprehend why you did such a thing...

Cheers,
Bernard

I tried the camera I. September and despite being pretty  "raw" , I simply loved the concept, the felling , size and IQ
Since I don't have that kind of money I had to put many of my gears on sale !!!
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Brent Daniels on December 13, 2016, 10:10:34 am
Hi Nick,

A major issue, the major issue IMHO, I still see with Phocus is the lack of integrated purple fringing suppression.

Would you be able to communicate with their dev team to communicate this and try to get a plan?

Thank you.

Cheers,
Bernard
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I have been having some heavy purple/green fringing on highlight edges on a few images lately, but with large focus movements with technical lens. As Bernard says Phocus cannot clean this up. Photoshop does not work too well either. Lightroom does a great job on 16 bit PSD files processed through Phocus first. Tried DNG but since it is a RAW format all the Phocus RAW processing such as Scene Calibration on the file does not carry through. I have some to do today.
 
I have the opposite view of many on here on the C1 vs Phocus debate. I like Phocus as a Hasselblad specific RAW image processor. To me it is very simple and does a generally great job of processing RAW images to be seriously worked in PS or Lightroom. I find C1 to be very complicated and it seems to be moving to be more of a RAW processor & PS light in one program. However I could get to love C1 if I used Phase, or actually had a 35mm format. C1 can be confusing and complicated if you use it only once a year.

Brent Daniels
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Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: fotagf8 on December 13, 2016, 10:12:00 am
In response to Etto1972:

I would hope Hasselblad would read this and get this person his camera ASAP.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: hubell on December 13, 2016, 10:33:13 am
In response to Etto1972:

I would hope Hasselblad would read this and get this person his camera ASAP.

How about all the people that ordered a regular X1D several months earlier? Just move them to the back of the line behind those that ordered a black X1D? This is not an easy choice for Hasselblad. Someone will be pissed off.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: fotagf8 on December 13, 2016, 10:50:14 am
I sympathize with them too, but I was responding to this person.  I am particularly sympathetic because he apparently is now a photographer without a camera.  Yes, I know he shouldn't have sold till he had the new one in hand.

UPS will be delivering the new Olympus Mark II to me in about 45 minutes.  I leave for an overseas trip this afternoon.  It is all a question of irrational expectations.  I have multiple cameras and would have taken two other cameras with me had the Olympus been subject to additional delays.  i would have gotten great shots one way or the other (I am optimist).  But having placed the order months ago, I had been anticipating the new Olympus features, and would have been disappointed had it not arrived.  Recognizing that, I sympathize with everyone who ordered the X1D thinking about this trip or assignment where it would have been perfect and they had thought about how they would use it.  Most will do just fine until it arrives. 
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 13, 2016, 11:40:08 am
I sympathize with them too, but I was responding to this person.  I am particularly sympathetic because he apparently is now a photographer without a camera.  Recognizing that, I sympathize with everyone who ordered the X1D thinking about this trip or assignment where it would have been perfect and they had thought about how they would use it.  Most will do just fine until it arrives.

Yes! I was foolish enough to assume that Hasselblad could keep their schedule and I even added a little extra time for a new model. I was ready this Fall to go on a number of fairly extensive photographic expeditions, but of course, all that has gone out the window. I am scheduled to go to a big opening of a non-profit site dedicated to Rock Concert Poster, for which I did all the database work, in San Francisco in the middle of January, and I need the X1D, but chances are I won't get it before then either. Lesson learned. Also perhaps the Fuji GFX will appear. That would work also.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: hogloff on December 13, 2016, 02:23:41 pm
Apologies, but I cannot comprehend why you did such a thing...

Cheers,
Bernard

Agreed. People have been burned on pre-orders all the time. Why would some leave themselves naked?
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: BernardLanguillier on December 13, 2016, 06:03:13 pm
I have been having some heavy purple/green fringing on highlight edges on a few images lately, but with large focus movements with technical lens. As Bernard says Phocus cannot clean this up. Photoshop does not work too well either. Lightroom does a great job on 16 bit PSD files processed through Phocus first.

Thanks for the tip, I had noticed that LR was doing a good job cleaning purple fringing on Hasselblad raw files (but the colors aren't quite as pleasing as with Phocus which is a major issue), but hadn't thought of doing the conversion in Phocus first and then correction of purple fringing in LR.

I really hope that Hasselblad will quickly add this purple fringing removal capability to Phocus though, it really does belong to the core capabilities of a raw converter.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Brent Daniels on December 14, 2016, 12:16:32 am
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Thanks for the tip, I had noticed that LR was doing a good job cleaning purple fringing on Hasselblad raw files (but the colors aren't quite as pleasing as with Phocus which is a major issue), but hadn't thought of doing the conversion in Phocus first and then correction of purple fringing in LR.

I really hope that Hasselblad will quickly add this purple fringing removal capability to Phocus though, it really does belong to the core capabilities of a raw converter.

Cheers,
Bernard

Lightroom defringing actually can do both purple and green fringing. It has 2 part separate controls for each one and a color picker. Works very very well.  Try it.

Brent
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 14, 2016, 08:57:34 pm
Speaking of small MF images and the FF DSLRs coming up from below, I must say that I find Lloyd Chambers recent blog (today) of using the new Nikkor 19mm PC-E Tilt/Shift lens with the D810, which he claims is an incredible lens, using shift, to get a 73 MPx image, which he says is says is pristine and the equivalent of a MF camera/Lens. Check it out. I also read his complete description of the process in the expanded version and it is very enticing.

https://diglloyd.com/

It is very clear that 2017 is going to be the year we have been waiting around for.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: ErikKaffehr on December 15, 2016, 12:15:05 am
Hi Michael,

I have done a somewhat similar test, using some of my Hasselblad lenses with -12/0/+12 mm shift. Gives you a 48x36 mm image, almost same size as the P45+ I have (49 x 37 mm).

The examples are here:

http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Articles/H_CF_Lenses_on_A7rII/

Best regards
Erik

Speaking of small MF images and the FF DSLRs coming up from below, I must say that I find Lloyd Chambers recent blog (today) of using the new Nikkor 19mm PC-E Tilt/Shift lens with the D810, which he claims is an incredible lens, using shift, to get a 73 MPx image, which he says is says is pristine and the equivalent of a MF camera/Lens. Check it out. I also read his complete description of the process in the expanded version and it is very enticing.

https://diglloyd.com/

It is very clear that 2017 is going to be the year we have been waiting around for.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 15, 2016, 06:00:51 am
Hi Michael,

I have done a somewhat similar test, using some of my Hasselblad lenses with -12/0/+12 mm shift. Gives you a 48x36 mm image, almost same size as the P45+ I have (49 x 37 mm).

The examples are here:

http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Articles/H_CF_Lenses_on_A7rII/

Best regards
Erik

Erik: Yes, very interesting. What camera are you using and what tilt/shift device?  I will have a copy of the new Nikon 19mm Tilt/Shift lens tomorrow and I have the various pano gear I might need for multi-layer stitching. The fact that (finally) Nikon is offering a flexible tilt'shift device on a PC lens is a big help, thus allowing users to have TILT parallel or perpendicular to shift.

Although I have (and have had) a number of technical cameras, most I am selling off as either too cumbersome or not well designed. However, I regularly use the Cambo Actus with my various enlarger and view-camera lenses, but don't enjoy the 15-20 lb. cameras anymore. I am getting old, yes, but more important is that I want to take the tilt/shift outside for much of what I do.

The flexibility of this new Nikon 19mm lens is a good sign. Also, that Nikon finally is producing higher-quality lenses, although at an expense. They are worth it. I understand that the Nikon 19mm PC-E is not at the level of the Zeiss Otus lenses, but close enough, considering what they can do in addition via tilt, shift, etc. I am about to see and I can always return the lens if it does not help me. The series of recent articles by Lloyd Chambers on the 19mm PC-E is wonderful, and now he has moved onto the details and problems of stitching with the lens, nodal points, etc.

Lenses like the 19mm PC-E on the Nikon D810 offer us another approach similar is some ways to the new Hasselblad X1D, which I still have on order.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: ErikKaffehr on December 15, 2016, 01:22:57 pm
Hi Michael,

I use a HCam Master TSII.

http://www.getdpi.com/forum/sony/56810-hcam-master-tsii-sony-a7rii.html

It is based on the Mirex adapter, but has a built in tripod collar, so lens is fixed while the cameras does the tilt and shift. There are no gears, though. Maximum shift is +/- 15 mm and maximum tilt is 11 degrees (or 10?). In the real world, shift is limited by internal baffles, say around 12 mm.

On the front it has a Canon mount. Rear mount is exchangable.

I don't think the X1D will work with T&S options as it does not have a built in shutter or control for non Hasselblad leaf shutters built into lenses. It may work with HTS using a H-mount adapter, of course.

The camera I use is the A7rII. It has both electronic first shutter curtain and fully electronic shutter, although the fully electronic shutter has slow scan time and is limited to 12-bits. The A7rII has some disadvantages, like small battery with a short battery life, a haphazard menu system. But that is nothing I cannot live with if the camera makes good images, and it does.

Best regards
Erik



Erik: Yes, very interesting. What camera are you using and what tilt/shift device?  I will have a copy of the new Nikon 19mm Tilt/Shift lens tomorrow and I have the various pano gear I might need for multi-layer stitching. The fact that (finally) Nikon is offering a flexible tilt'shift device on a PC lens is a big help, thus allowing users to have TILT parallel or perpendicular to shift.

Although I have (and have had) a number of technical cameras, most I am selling off as either too cumbersome or not well designed. However, I regularly use the Cambo Actus with my various enlarger and view-camera lenses, but don't enjoy the 15-20 lb. cameras anymore. I am getting old, yes, but more important is that I want to take the tilt/shift outside for much of what I do.

The flexibility of this new Nikon 19mm lens is a good sign. Also, that Nikon finally is producing higher-quality lenses, although at an expense. They are worth it. I understand that the Nikon 19mm PC-E is not at the level of the Zeiss Otus lenses, but close enough, considering what they can do in addition via tilt, shift, etc. I am about to see and I can always return the lens if it does not help me. The series of recent articles by Lloyd Chambers on the 19mm PC-E is wonderful, and now he has moved onto the details and problems of stitching with the lens, nodal points, etc.

Lenses like the 19mm PC-E on the Nikon D810 offer us another approach similar is some ways to the new Hasselblad X1D, which I still have on order.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 15, 2016, 02:02:11 pm
Hi Michael,

I use a HCam Master TSII.

http://www.getdpi.com/forum/sony/56810-hcam-master-tsii-sony-a7rii.html

It is based on the Mirex adapter, but has a built in tripod collar, so lens is fixed while the cameras does the tilt and shift. There are no gears, though. Maximum shift is +/- 15 mm and maximum tilt is 11 degrees (or 10?). In the real world, shift is limited by internal baffles, say around 12 mm.

On the front it has a Canon mount. Rear mount is exchangable.

I don't think the X1D will work with T&S options as it does not have a built in shutter or control for non Hasselblad leaf shutters built into lenses. It may work with HTS using a H-mount adapter, of course.

The camera I use is the A7rII. It has both electronic first shutter curtain and fully electronic shutter, although the fully electronic shutter has slow scan time and is limited to 12-bits. The A7rII has some disadvantages, like small battery with a short battery life, a haphazard menu system. But that is nothing I cannot live with if the camera makes good images, and it does.

Best regards
Erik

Fascinating! If they come out with an adapter for Nikon F-Mount, please let me know. As for me, I go round and round about the "technical" cameras. I have tried the various Novoflex CASTBAL and BALPRO, but the design is faulty for my work and so I don't use them. Same with the Rollei X-ACT 2, which I found not well designed enough and too heavy. I am selling my brand new one on Ebay right now. In fact, I am getting rid of a lot camera equipment, like many mint Nikon lenses that are not well-enough corrected for me, including all three of the PC-E lenses, the 14-24 and 24-70 f/2.8 Nikkors, the 135mm DC Nikkor, and so on. I appreciate them but not enough to actually use them. And I am done assembling a museum of lenses I don't use, just because I like them.

I should get the new Nikon 19mm T/S PC tomorrow and imagine that I might keep that, since I have long wanted a solid wide-angle lens with some movement. It is not ultra-wide, but if it is sharp enough and if the parallel movements work, it may help.

As for the X1D, I have heard that it will take the Hasselblad HTS, which would have to be mounted on H-mount adapter, which has led me to wring my hands, cancel my order for the H-Mount adapter, and sell of the Hasselblad 120mm Macro that I bought. I have had enough of jury-rigged equipment. My plan is to use the Nikon D810 and perhaps get the next iteration of that wonderful camera... AND try the X1D system, which won't tilt and shift, but I crave some plain-old photo taking with a smallish kitanyway..... since I have almost all of the other kind of equipment. I do love the Cambo Actus very much, and all of my exotic lenses will have to be happy with that. I am watching for the Fuji GFX out of the corner of my eye, and may sell the X1D and get that. 

But do let us know if there is any more interesting equipment like you pointed out. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Hasselblad X1D Prepares to Deliver
Post by: ErikKaffehr on December 15, 2016, 03:07:33 pm
Hi,

You can use it with some Nikon lenses, using the Novflex EOS/NIK NT adapter.

Best regards
Erik

Fascinating! If they come out with an adapter for Nikon F-Mount, please let me know. As for me, I go round and round about the "technical" cameras.
But do let us know if there is any more interesting equipment like you pointed out. Thanks.