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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Capture One Q&A => Topic started by: JimDK on June 23, 2016, 07:59:13 am

Title: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: JimDK on June 23, 2016, 07:59:13 am
See the what's new video here!
https://www.phaseone.com/en/Products/Software/Capture-One-Pro/dot-release.aspx

This is a feature release, with new features, camera and lens support and bug fixes.

Highlights include:

New features
• Select and deselect primary variant
• Select previous and next “page”
• Select by same variant position
• Select from file name list
• Make album from any selection
• Batch “Create Masked Layer from Selection”
• Multi image editing roundtrip for Helicon

Improvements
• Keyboard shortcuts for all cursor tools
• Minor Keyboard shortcut editor improvements
• Preference for disabling Phase One tethered support (like for other cameras)
• Better TIFF color consistency in round trip editing (what you see in Capture One
looks like what you see in e.g. Photoshop)
• Improved performance on 4K/5K displays and in general when hardware
accelleration is enabled
• Select usability improvements

9.2 Camera Support
• Pentax K-1
• Nikon D500
• Canon EOS M10
• Canon G5x
• Canon G7x MkII
• Canon G9x

9.2 Lens Support
• Canon EF-S 18-135 f3.5-56 IS USM
• Sony FE 50mm f1.8
• Sony FE 70-200mm f2.8 GM OSS
• Sony FE 28mm f2
• Sony E 35mm f1.8 OSS
• Sony 70-200 mm F2.8 G SSM II
• Panasonic Lumix G Vario 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 ASPH Power O.I.S
• Canon G5x fixed lens
• Canon G7x MkII fixed lens
• Canon G9x fixed lens
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: AndyS on June 23, 2016, 08:47:26 am
Hi,

I wasn't sure from the table at the back of the release notes as to the extent to which C1 9.2 now supports the Fuji XPro2.

I'm assuming it still supports uncompressed raw only, but do lens corrections now work correctly?


Thanks for any info,
Andrew.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Mike Dale on June 23, 2016, 09:02:18 am
Yay, Thank you ;D

Downloading it right now.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Mike Dale on June 23, 2016, 09:25:05 am
D500 works just fine!

(http://Baltimore Oriole.jpg)
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on June 23, 2016, 09:56:57 am
D500 works just fine!

(http://Baltimore Oriole.jpg)

Wow.. nice one Mike.

Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Paul2660 on June 23, 2016, 12:16:06 pm
Was K1 multi shot support added? 

Paul

Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on June 23, 2016, 02:41:02 pm
Was K1 multi shot support added? 

Paul

Hi Paul,

No, currently unsupported.

David
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Paul2660 on June 23, 2016, 03:39:23 pm
I hope the multishot can be supported in a future release of C1.  The support the standard raw is excellent very good profile.

Paul C
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: AndyS on June 23, 2016, 04:24:39 pm
Hi,

For anyone else wondering, I can confirm that disappointingly 9.2 still does not support lens corrections for the Fuji XPro2.

Hopefully this will be fixed in the next release, as it works for all other FujiX series cameras.

I love the output of Capture One, and I don't like the fact that I'm starting to wonder about Lightroom again at the moment :)


Thanks,
Andrew.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Doug Peterson on June 24, 2016, 09:21:37 am
For anyone else wondering, I can confirm that disappointingly 9.2 still does not support lens corrections for the Fuji XPro2.

Hopefully this will be fixed in the next release, as it works for all other FujiX series cameras.

Not a matter of being "fixed"... The X Pro 2 support is still "preliminary" and therefore by definition not final / incomplete. When final/complete support is added it will, by definition, include lens corrections for the currently supported fuji lenses.

Phase One does camera profiles right; they take their time and get the color, noise reduction, tonality, and lens profiles as good as possible. They also do their own real world images of real world subjects (not just test charts etc) to check that the results are excellent. As a community we can rush them to support cameras faster, but we do so at our own peril.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: AndyS on June 24, 2016, 09:36:42 am
Good points well made Doug. My post perhaps came across a bit more negative than intended.

Will wait patiently with my XPro2! We all know that sorting out the XTrans is more complicated than bayer anyway. Have migrated my LR catalog completely across to C1 now, and more than happy with the processing and output.

Thanks for your input,

Andrew.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Rado on June 24, 2016, 07:57:18 pm
Are you guys ever going to fix this bug?

http://forum.phaseone.com/En/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=20584

I still see it with the new 9.2 version on Win7 64bit.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: ario on June 24, 2016, 09:27:42 pm
The lens correction for the Fuji X-Pro 2 is not yet available. Capture One has been always my SW of choice for the Fuji files, for the X-Pro 2 it is almost unusable. This is really disappointing
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: mediumcool on June 26, 2016, 01:17:26 am
I hope the multishot can be supported in a future release of C1.  The support the standard raw is excellent very good profile.

Paul C

I second this. The K-1 pixel-shift implementation makes more sense to me than Olympus’ version on the E-M5 II.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Harald L on July 06, 2016, 12:34:38 pm
The lens correction for the Fuji X-Pro 2 is not yet available. Capture One has been always my SW of choice for the Fuji files, for the X-Pro 2 it is almost unusable. This is really disappointing

I can't see any reasonable cause for not supporting X-Pro2 files properly except one: They've already started to implement X-Pro 2 support when rumors became more concrete that Fuji will (re)enter the MF market. From that day Fuji falls under C1's No-Support-For-Competitors-Rule.

Just my 2ct. Very sadly I prepare myself for a change to Lightroom...
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Doug Peterson on July 06, 2016, 03:27:25 pm
I can't see any reasonable cause for not supporting X-Pro2 files properly except one: They've already started to implement X-Pro 2 support when rumors became more concrete that Fuji will (re)enter the MF market. From that day Fuji falls under C1's No-Support-For-Competitors-Rule.

Just my 2ct. Very sadly I prepare myself for a change to Lightroom...

This is incorrect. I use the X-Pro 2 as the second camera at weddings so I share your frustration. But you're basically posting unfounded and incorrect conspiracy theories.

The X-Pro 2 will be fully supported. Preliminary support is already there.

I repeat my earlier post: Phase One does camera profiles right; they take their time and get the color, noise reduction, tonality, and lens profiles as good as possible. They also do their own real world images of real world subjects (not just test charts etc) to check that the results are excellent. As a community we can rush them to support cameras faster, but we do so at our own peril.

And as I've just posted to a similar thread...
Quote
And no one fear lockouts of high end small-format cameras. Phase One's policy has been crystal clear and consistent since day one:
1) they support high-end small format cameras in C1 as paid software*
2) they provide C1 for free as part of their own medium-format solutions

*Based on popularity and applicability of the camera to their core market of high-end pros and enthusiasts, balanced against the difficulty of support (e.g. harder to support cameras that use a new/unusual sensor). More than 400 are currently supported.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Doug Peterson on July 06, 2016, 03:31:35 pm
I'd also add this... even in preliminary form I think the quality of conversion of X-Pro 2 raw files is already notably better than any other raw convertor I've tried. It will only get better as they progress to full (non-preliminary) support.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Harald L on July 07, 2016, 06:48:36 pm
This is incorrect. I use the X-Pro 2 as the second camera at weddings so I share your frustration. But you're basically posting unfounded and incorrect conspiracy theories.
(...)

May be - it's just a wild guess.

The X-Pro 2 will be fully supported. (...)

Seems to be an unfounded posting, too. I would be more than glad that C1 proves you right.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: scyth on July 07, 2016, 08:59:25 pm
I repeat my earlier post: Phase One does camera profiles right; they take their time and get the color, noise reduction, tonality, and lens profiles as good as possible.

but you are not saying that put the same effort in dSLR/dSLM profiles as they do for their own MF... so "as good as possible" is not exactly as possible  ;D

PS: I am not even referring to historic facts of reusing profiles from one pentax camera with Samsung sensor for another pentax camera with Sony sensor few years back (when I used the gear)
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: scyth on July 07, 2016, 09:02:56 pm
I can't see any reasonable cause for not supporting X-Pro2 files properly except one: They've already started to implement X-Pro 2 support when rumors became more concrete that Fuji will (re)enter the MF market. From that day Fuji falls under C1's No-Support-For-Competitors-Rule.

Ricoh/Pentax has both MF dSLR and less than MF sensor sized dSLR/dSLM - still less than MF are supported...
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: BernardLanguillier on July 08, 2016, 06:46:32 am
Seems to be an unfounded posting, too. I would be more than glad that C1 proves you right.

Doug is close enough to P1 that I would take his word on this.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Doug Peterson on July 08, 2016, 07:21:23 am
Seems to be an unfounded posting, too. I would be more than glad that C1 proves you right.

Check my signature and read my prior posts.  :D

Support will come.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Paul2660 on July 08, 2016, 11:56:42 am
What is a bit sad, is the time lag on new cameras. 

The X-T2 is announced now, ships in Sept.  Odds are that support from C1 will not be until 2017, and more than likely in a 10.x version which will be 99.00 US to upgrade to. 

But since Phase has by far the best x-trans raw conversion out there (in a full tool set raw conversion software), the wait should be worth it. 

It is also a bit sad that Phase can not make their auto mask work with any Fuji X-trans file.

Paul C
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: JaapD on July 11, 2016, 03:36:48 am
I completely agree with Paul, it must be said that C1 has by far the best X-Trans raw conversion. However, without proper lens corrections I have as paying customer zero use for C1 because lens corrections are mandatory for lenses like the 16-55 f/2.8.

If I were head of the C1 development team I would be embarrassed by now. These new Fuji adaptations (reading the lens correction parameters from the X-Pro2 RAW file) simply take them too much effort to implement.

And then there is the already mentioned missing auto mask functionality but also think about the fact that there is no Opengl / Opencl  processing on Fuji RAWs, meaning that all processing is done only by the CPU. Your high performance graphics card is sitting doing nothing. Maybe they should let Iliah (Fast Raw Viewer) write some code for them as he very well knows his stuff.


Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: Paul2660 on July 11, 2016, 06:56:19 am
I did not know that open CL was not supported for Fuji files.

But for me since 9.x open CL support in C1 has been poor period. See my post on the error when processing a file which started with the first version of 9. I have to turn off open CL when I process any file.

Windows based.

Paul C
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: budjames on July 11, 2016, 08:24:41 am
Unfortunately, the latest version, 9.2, still does not fully support Fuji X-Pro2 RAW files. The lens profiles are not enabled and you cannot make manual adjustments either, therefore, this distortion of the RAW files cannot be corrected. It does a great job with the Fuji JPGs, which I always shoot RAW+Fine JPG.

For the moment, I went back to using LR CC, unfortunately. Although I must say the LR CC has improved its handling of Fuji RAW files since the previous version. I still think that C1P does a better job with less fuss, so I hope that PhaseOne will sort out the issues with X-Pro2 files soon.

Regards,
Bud James

www.budjames.photography
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: alfin on July 12, 2016, 03:55:32 am
The X-T2 is announced now, ships in Sept.  Odds are that support from C1 will not be until 2017, and more than likely in a 10.x version which will be 99.00 US to upgrade to. 
I’m not so sure they will delay X-T2 support. When they have got X-Pro2 to function, it should be easy to get X-T2 up and running also. Hopefully they have support for both cameras at the same time. Also, I think more people will buy X-T2 than X-Pro2, so maybe they feel the need to speed things up. I think the latest version of LR/ACR is doing a great job with X-Pro2 in the meantime.
Title: Re: Capture One 9.2 is now Live!
Post by: AndyS on July 16, 2016, 04:18:58 am
Hi,

It doesn't seem to be specifically mentioned in the release notes, but 9.2.1 now enables lens corrections for the X-Pro2 - Great news! Manufacturer or manual corrections seem to be supported.