Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

[jduncan]

Just received. I heard It is only 4 bodies in worldwide.
Beta test version, so Don't load camera raw or c1pro. Only DPP in canon.

1st feeling is COOL , awesome image.

Hi thanks for sharing.

Could  you do a test with :
1. A human (single shoot)
2. Something that has translucency  (or transparency if you can't)  (multi)
3. Something like fibbers and color to simulate art reproduction.    (multi)

It will get funny when the Canon face the 645z.
Thanks.

[dolina]

It will get funny when the Canon face the 645z.
Thanks.

Any comparison with the 645z?

If I can swing a Japanese price that is roughly $1500 more than the 5DS R then it may be worth adding another system.

[Kolor-Pikker]

Any comparison with the 645z?

If I can swing a Japanese price that is roughly $1500 more than the 5DS R then it may be worth adding another system.

Look around this 5DSR impressions review and you'll find a number of studio test setups comparing the two. Needless to say, one look at how the two deal with fabrics at any comparable ISO level and you'll likely feel the need to get the 645Z, however the 5DS does allow you to gain access to the excellent 17/24TS-E and new 11-24mm lenses. Depending on how important really wide lenses are to you, the Z's non-shifting 25mm and not-as-wide 28-45mm may not quite cut it; personally I'm not a fan of fields of view wider than 24mm on small format.

[dolina]

Look around this 5DSR impressions review and you'll find a number of studio test setups comparing the two. Needless to say, one look at how the two deal with fabrics at any comparable ISO level and you'll likely feel the need to get the 645Z, however the 5DS does allow you to gain access to the excellent 17/24TS-E and new 11-24mm lenses. Depending on how important really wide lenses are to you, the Z's non-shifting 25mm and not-as-wide 28-45mm may not quite cut it; personally I'm not a fan of fields of view wider than 24mm on small format.

In other words the 5DS just more pixels to meet the pixel quota when DR for landscape is equally as needed?

[Kolor-Pikker]

In other words the 5DS just more pixels to meet the pixel quota when DR for landscape is equally as needed?

Maybe. Before I switched to using the 645Z I've been using Canon digital cameras since ~2005, and I can't say that I've ever been seriously bothered by a lack of DR for at least 95% of my shots. But how many people would be unhappy to own a $4000 camera anyway? Most of the photographers here and at other MF-centric forums are connoisseurs that really fret over these things, but I think you could honestly do most things you need with both cameras, and as I've said before, the Canon system has access to a larger and arguably more interesting selection of lenses.

Compared to the D810 or 5DSR, the Z is going to be cleaner at any ISO level, a bit sharper, and have greater color fidelity; it's up to you if it's worth going after these things at the cost of convenience.

[dolina]

Thanks for your insight.

As mentioned on the "Buying a 645Z in Japan?" thread the 645Z can be bought in Japan for less than $6,200 with sales tax. Without sales tax it can go even much lower than $5,700 depending where you shop. Less than $1,800 price difference could make one rethink if the premium between the two cameras is that much.

Yeah, adding a system will also incur the need to buy new lenses but that's a given.

Thus the appeal of Canon is that it is largely cost effective way to reach 50+MP to comply with client requirements, large prints, highly detailed prints and more ability to crop when you do not want to go through pixel interpolation.

[Kolor-Pikker]

Since you'll be doing your shopping in Japan, may as well take advantage of possibly getting some Pentax lenses on the cheap as well, at the very least most of the old film glass is capable of resolving the sensor by f/6.3~8. The FA 35mm, 55mm SDM, 120mm f/4 Macro and 150mm 2.8 are all easy recommendations.

[sailronin]

You're okay by me Siobodan.  I'm sorry I (myself) was reacting to your initial post.  Bar fights have started over far less.

Which is why I stay out of bars and camera tests!

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Which is why I stay out of bars and camera tests!

Ah, yes! But would you be able to resist a mermaid bar?


Mermaid Bar by Slobodan Blagojevic, on Flickr


Mermaid Tips by Slobodan Blagojevic, on Flickr

[Chris Valites]

Ah, yes! But would you be able to resist a mermaid bar?


Mermaid Bar by Slobodan Blagojevic, on Flickr


Mermaid Tips by Slobodan Blagojevic, on Flickr

I dunno, a mermaid bar...sounds fishy.

 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I dunno, a mermaid bar...sounds fishy.

 

Nah...for a proper tip, you even get a kiss (a bit on the wet side, but still...)  


Mermaid Kiss by Slobodan Blagojevic, on Flickr

[BernardLanguillier]

Hum... the Speedo googles kind of sink it for me... what's the Drowning Ratio anyway?

Cheers,
Bernard

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... what's the Drowning Ratio anyway?

Do not know for mermaids, but for patrons... pretty high. Just check the size of the cocktail glass (also serves as a tip jar - second photo)... enough to drown in it

[BernardLanguillier]

Do not know for mermaids, but for patrons... pretty high. Just check the size of the cocktail glass (also serves as a tip jar - second photo)... enough to drown in it

There you go! 

Cheers,
Bernard

[Joe Towner]

Some one has been to Sip N Dip ....  It's the 'other' reason to go to Montana right?

[Phil Indeblanc]

In the link of multiple test images it is clear to me the CF39 has better separation of fine detail.
The new 100L is sharp/est(resolving power), the 180 is also very sharp. Sharper than the older 100Macro.
The Leica macro Elmerit R100 is sharper than both, well on par with the 180L. Its maybe just as sharp, but the Lieca has more contrast.These I base on tests I did some time back between the 180 vs the older 100 vs the LeicaR100

The Canon file is actually "warmer", less blue. Not colder...to my eyes Erik.
The Hass is "colder" with that ting of blue-purple-magenta.

The unsharpened Canon image shows the mix in separation on the pliers teeth. The contrasts start to mix. It can be lens perhaps?

If any of these are possible....100L or 180L, or if available the Lieca Macro El-R100...I would love to see a test with them vs a Shneider or Rod digitar/digital lens Macro on the CF39.

Thank you for the testing! Look forward to more if possible.

[chrismuc]

Chiek, now as Adobe released ACR 9 which allows to open 5Ds (R) files, could you please upload some 5Ds R raw files, then we also could "play" with them :-)
Thanks a lot for your valuable efforts!
Christoph

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Chiek, now as Adobe released ACR 9 which allows to open 5Ds (R) files, could you please upload some 5Ds R raw files, then we also could "play" with them :-)

Hi  Christoph,

I'm not sure if 'Chiek' is allowed to share Raws from his pre-production trial model. Apparently also sites like Imaging-Resource had to remove their posted Raws (I downloaded a copy, and it converts as can be expected in ACR 9, and proper Capture sharpening does wonders).

Cheers,
Bart

[jduncan]

Legacy MF is becoming the less-pixels-less-DR solution.
I guess the sh*t will really hit the fan as soon as Sony release their next sensors, and program their anti-shake to do multi-shot.

Edmund

Seems about right , for Nikon and Canon users we still have the issue with the lenses (Otus is Manual) but once that get solved it will get very interesting.
In the other hand, Sony do have the new line of Zeiss glass. Nikon in particular should be shaking like crazy too.

Best regards,

[synn]

Legacy MF is becoming the less-pixels-less-DR solution.
I guess the sh*t will really hit the fan as soon as Sony release their next sensors, and program their anti-shake to do multi-shot.

Edmund

On the other hand, if one can't make anything worthwhile with legacy MF, they are not going to turn into an amazing artist with any of these new fangled cameras either.

@Chiek: Thanks for the comparison. Very enlightening.