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Best creative sharpening tools & techniques
« on: March 11, 2015, 04:40:14 pm »

Perhaps the most influential article I ever read about creative sharpening was this one by Ron Bigelow...
http://www.ronbigelow.com/articles/sharpen5/sharpen5.htm

It convinced me that edge masks were the way to go. Fast forward a few years, I'm now exploring new techniques/tools--if they exist-- that can make my life easier. Edge masks give me the power to do two-pass sharpening: once for large details and another for fine detail. I try to do as much as possible in PS so I don't have to keep up with third-party software updates; however, my eye has been wandering lately, particularly toward Topaz's Detail plugin. After watching their tutorial here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNWT81TqEPY
I have to say I'm intrigued.
Because I prefer to ride the shoulders of giants than to figure things out on my own, who here will recommend this plug-in (or something else) as a better alternative to using PS edge masks (and all the trappings that come with them, such as channel mixing, smart sharpen filters, levels adjustments, etc.)? BTW, by "creative sharpening," I mean structural detail enhancement, not contrast control (I'm studying Tony Kuyper's actions for that). Please don't send me links to engineering white papers (my day job is accounting, not coding. I'll have an aneurysm). And yes, I've read Schewe's books (and will likely re-read them). One more for the road before I vanish for a season. Graci.

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Re: Best creative sharpening tools & techniques
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2015, 04:46:25 pm »

Photokit Sharpener 2
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Re: Best creative sharpening tools & techniques
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2015, 05:19:50 pm »

Photokit Sharpener 2

That product hasn't been updated in over four years (correct me if I'm wrong). Makes me nervous.
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Re: Best creative sharpening tools & techniques
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 05:26:03 pm »

Instead of being nervous just download it in demo mode and try it. Nothing like expending a bit of sweat-equity and seeing for yourself.
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Re: Best creative sharpening tools & techniques
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2015, 07:30:12 pm »

Because I prefer to ride the shoulders of giants than to figure things out on my own, who here will recommend this plug-in (or something else) as a better alternative to using PS edge masks (and all the trappings that come with them, such as channel mixing, smart sharpen filters, levels adjustments, etc.)?

Hi,

Al these tools have a place where they can help in the workflow, but for creative 'sharpening', it's hard to find something as good and productive as Topaz Detail. The edge masking thing is a bit 'old school' compared to the power of this plugin. Detail is one of the few must-have plugins that I use, and I use it on almost every image that I process.

Cheers,
Bart
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Re: Best creative sharpening tools & techniques
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2015, 07:46:27 pm »

The edge masking thing is a bit 'old school' compared to the power of this plugin.

I thought as much.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2015, 10:34:07 am »

That product hasn't been updated in over four years (correct me if I'm wrong). Makes me nervous.
You're wrong  ;D No reason to (and it has be upgraded over the years as Photoshop has progressed).
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2015, 11:21:54 am »

You're wrong  ;D No reason to (and it has be upgraded over the years as Photoshop has progressed).

I should add that this product is so comprehensive in the range of presets it offers for both Capture and Creative sharpening, plus the non-destructive ability to adjust any of them to taste, that from a "features" perspective there is really nothing left to be done except to keep it compatible with OS and Photoshop updates, which PixelGenius do routinely. Just because something is a few years old doesn't destine it for the dust-bin by definition. It depends on how good it was to begin with, and this one was and remains superb - my experience using it - I have no other interest.
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Re: Best creative sharpening tools & techniques
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2015, 11:54:18 am »

Perhaps the most influential article I ever read about creative sharpening was this one by Ron Bigelow...
http://www.ronbigelow.com/articles/sharpen5/sharpen5.htm

It convinced me that edge masks were the way to go. Fast forward a few years, I'm now exploring new techniques/tools--if they exist-- that can make my life easier. Edge masks give me the power to do two-pass sharpening: once for large details and another for fine detail. I try to do as much as possible in PS so I don't have to keep up with third-party software updates; however, my eye has been wandering lately, particularly toward Topaz's Detail plugin. After watching their tutorial here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNWT81TqEPY
I have to say I'm intrigued.
Because I prefer to ride the shoulders of giants than to figure things out on my own, who here will recommend this plug-in (or something else) as a better alternative to using PS edge masks (and all the trappings that come with them, such as channel mixing, smart sharpen filters, levels adjustments, etc.)? BTW, by "creative sharpening," I mean structural detail enhancement, not contrast control (I'm studying Tony Kuyper's actions for that). Please don't send me links to engineering white papers (my day job is accounting, not coding. I'll have an aneurysm). And yes, I've read Schewe's books (and will likely re-read them). One more for the road before I vanish for a season. Graci.

Bart's comments amoung others got me to look at Topaz Detail.  I use it regularly now. 

1. Just because a technique or tool is old, does not mean it is not effective.  New techniques come with new side affects and problems same as the old ones.  Nothing is every really free.  What most of the plugins do try to do is make some of the old processes a little less painful and a little more automated.

2. The best tool for the job is the tool you understand best how to use well.  I use a few plugins Like Imogenic's Portraiture and Noiseware, Topaz Detail and Clarity when I am targeting things, but I also use Allentech's Perfectly Clear when I just need a fast, good enough, way to handle a folder full of similar images that are probably destined for the web and viewed on cell phones!
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Re: Best creative sharpening tools & techniques
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2015, 02:31:09 am »

Just tried to go to the Photokit Sharpener 2 site and got a message that tyhe server is not available.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2015, 05:53:43 am »

Just tried to go to the Photokit Sharpener 2 site and got a message that tyhe server is not available.

Works ok for me...exactly what url are you trying?
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Re: Best creative sharpening tools & techniques
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2015, 12:08:02 pm »

Are you using Topaz through Lightroom or PS? I want to test it and guess PS with have more accurate adjustments but LR allows you to work on the RAW file. Which is best?
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Re: Best creative sharpening tools & techniques
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2015, 01:07:51 pm »

I have a suggestion for the Pixel Genius team: Develop a Photokit Sharpener Lite for Scanned Film Images. Provide a subset of the sharpening routines (the ones dedicated to scanned film) and make it run on Photoshop Elements. Price it about 30 or at most 40 dollars.

Many of the folks I know who scan film only use Elements for post-processing. The digital camera people now have the PK Sharpener capture routines built in ACR and Lightroom. They would have to go to the full version of PK Sharpener to get the creative sharpening stuff.

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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2015, 01:10:55 pm »

We had a version for Elements years ago but it wasn't very successful. Perhaps Elements is more embraced by more users these days, not sure. I have passed your comments to the PG team.
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2015, 01:14:30 pm »

One wonders to what extent it makes sense for people to stick with Elements when Lightroom is now so affordable. LR Develop Mode sharpening can also be applied to TIFF images imported from a scan process. It could perhaps be useful for the PG team to develop sharpening presets for LR that would be best suited to TIFFs of film scans.
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2015, 01:35:38 pm »

Mark, I have tried the noise reduction and sharpening tools in Lightroom and find they come up short on scanned film. You have to evaluate both of these tools together because film grain is, I find anyway, more difficult than sensor noise.

I have found the combination of Neat Image applied to remove half the noise/grain then Focus Magic and finally followed up with a presharpen action taken from Bruce Fraser's book to work best for my scanned images.

That's two plugins and an action which could possibly be replaced by one plugin.

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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2015, 01:44:11 pm »

Hi Allan,

I agree that Neat Image works very well for reducing the appearance of grain in scanned film. However, it can be combined with suitably adjusted LR sharpening to produce a good quality LR-based workflow for the post scan stage. Also not to be ignored, I should mention that the latest sharpening and grain mitigation tools within SilverFast work pretty well if they are handled with care, the main issue being that once set, they get baked-in to any film scan destined for a post-scan workflow that is not SilverFast HDR. For those willing to remain within a SilverFast post-scan workflow using their "HDR" sister application, everything is "undoable" because the unadjusted or "raw" scan is always intact.
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Re: Best creative sharpening tools & techniques
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2015, 03:56:59 pm »

I have a suggestion for the Pixel Genius team: Develop a Photokit Sharpener Lite for Scanned Film Images. Provide a subset of the sharpening routines (the ones dedicated to scanned film) and make it run on Photoshop Elements. Price it about 30 or at most 40 dollars.

At one point we had a product for Elements but it was a real pain to develop and we discontinued it. Elements could just barely run our routines and it's a rabbit hole we won't be going down again...sorry.
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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2015, 08:26:32 pm »

At one point we had a product for Elements but it was a real pain to develop and we discontinued it. Elements could just barely run our routines and it's a rabbit hole we won't be going down again...sorry.

Jeez, lot's of pretty sophisticated tools run just fine on Elements, including the entire Nik Collection.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2015, 09:13:29 pm »

Jeez, lot's of pretty sophisticated tools run just fine on Elements, including the entire Nik Collection.

But Nik are plug-in filters, PK is an automate plug-in. Different animal (and different SDK).
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