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print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« on: February 08, 2015, 11:09:07 am »

i am trying to get print templates to work on my mac ook pro. Hoever a templates does not keep the printer setting.  The printer is epson 3880.
On my Windows 7 desktop printer setting are kept in the print templates in LR.
Any suggesties on ho w to make this work as well on OSX???
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2015, 04:13:01 pm »

Make sure you are using the default setting when in the printer setting dialog. Using a preset within that dialog can be problematic. Since Lightroom remembers every setting in both page setup and printer settings dialog no need to use a Mac preset within these

And another thought , I assume you are updating your preset when you change it by right clicking on it and choosing update with current settings.
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2015, 09:09:06 am »

Make sure you are using the default setting when in the printer setting dialog. Using a preset within that dialog can be problematic. Since Lightroom remembers every setting in both page setup and printer settings dialog no need to use a Mac preset within these...

I've never been able to get this to work, meaning my printer driver settings don't stick with LR Printing Presets. I'd like ask Wayne, or anyone else who has found a method that works: When you enter the printer driver dialog, do you begin with a Default setting, but subsequently enter the driver dialog allowing media selection, high speed ON/OFF, platen height,  and so on; but simply make those driver selections without ever changing the Driver Preset from the Default value? Not too long ago, a thread on this topic came up and many people echoed my experience, but I recall Jeff Schewe feeling that print driver settings should stick to LR presets unless there were errors of technique.

Like some others, it's been my habit to build custom Printer Driver Presets that specify various Driver selections, and to name those driver presets descriptively. When I "embed" those printer driver presets within a LR Printing Preset, they never stick. The bulk of my experience centers around OSX and Epson drivers, incidentally.

Thank you,

John Caldwell
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2015, 12:11:13 pm »

I have never had any problems with any version of LR and versions of Mac OSX from 10.6 to 10.9 (which is what I am currently using) with Epson drivers (I have used both the 3800 and the 3880).  But as the first person to respond to this thread said - the settings you set up will only stick with your named print template if you specifically update it with the changed settings.  On a Mac that requires a ctrl-click and choose that option.  If you fail to do that then the settings won't stick the moment you move away from that template (to be pedantic they do stick but only at the point from which you started to change them).  So what works for me with OSX 10.x and the Epson Driver is:

1.  Create a new user template and name it.
2.  Click on the the Page Set Up button in the left hand panel and choose your paper size and feeding options.  Click on save.
3   In the right hand LR panel choose your paper profile under the colour management tab.  If you start on a setting such as "Managed by Printer" then your options in the Print Settings dialog box are limited, so I make sure I have the correct paper profile selected before I go to the Print Settings.
4.   Click on the Print Settings Button at the bottom of the the left hand panel.  Leave the Preset there to Default and instead go to Printer Settings and change what you need to - i.e. media type, 1440 or 2880, High Speed etc.  Then change platen width etc. and click on "save".
5.  Make all your selections and changes in the other tabs in the right hand LR panel.
6.  THEN: ctrl-click on your template and choose "update with current settings".  If you fail to do that and move anywhere else in LR your template settings will go back to square one.  But if you do that they will stick.

Good luck
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2015, 12:41:09 pm »

Actually another way of dealing with this is to choose a template close to the one that you want to create - i.e. same paper size, media etc. etc. 

Make all the necessary adjustments and once you have done that create your new template and name it - it will have all the settings you have just created already embedded in it.
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2015, 02:00:35 pm »

Actually another way of dealing with this is to choose a template close to the one that you want to create - i.e. same paper size, media etc. etc. 

Make all the necessary adjustments and once you have done that create your new template and name it - it will have all the settings you have just created already embedded in it.

Your second approach illustrates a method I feel like I have employed dozens of times without a single success. By no success I mean that the print driver selections regarding media type, High Speed, Platen and such are not retained. What are always retained, however, are the LR right panel selections, and the Page Setup selections.

I'm intrigued by your "first" method though, as it's one I haven't used - meaning the creation of a named, but otherwise empty, LR Print Template and filling it "in reverse" through Update With Current Settings after driver selections are made under the Default heading. I'm eager to try this.

Does this difficulty not point to something that might be improved in LR, or is this an OS issue?

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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2015, 02:07:30 pm »

But now that I read your second method, it begins with the premise that you have a working LR Print template where driver settings are embedded in that template. So I am out of luck, as this is the crux of my problem: Driver settings aren't truly embedded in my templates. My error must have something to do with the way I am making driver selections within the Default context.

Would love to figure this out as I do use several different driver setups. Would love it even more if LR would allow us to created a Saved Driver Setting, name that driver setting, and have that drive setting stick to a LR template.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2015, 02:17:30 pm by John Caldwell »
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2015, 02:51:34 pm »

Hmm.  This is strange.   I am actually sitting here with LR open, printing from it and have been trying out various approaches as outlined in my previous posts all of which work fine for me.

It sounds as if we have very similar systems and I have had no problems. 

I am running OSX 10.9.5, LR 5.7 and an Epson 3880 with driver version 9.17.  You say that you don't have any driver settings "truly embedded" in your templates.  But even if you open one of LR's default templates - for example the one marked "Maximise Size" and then go to both Page Setup and after that to Print Settings - there must be some settings that come up which you can then change.  I have been using LR since version 1 and I do admit that version 5 changed a few things in the Print Module which threw me at first but the great thing about it is the ability to create templates for various papers, paper sizes etc. etc. and then just press "Print" without bothering to check anything.  If you are missing out on that then there is a problem which does not seem to me to be as things ought to work and, indeed, as they are working for me.

Just as an experiment I chose the LR default template of "Maximise Size".  Since I had previously been printing from another template all of the "settings" under the "Print Job" Panel in the right hand panel remained as per the last template - i.e. Resolution, Printer Profile, Output Sharpening.  So the default template didn't change those.  Going to Page Setup I can change the Paper Size which I did to A2 Rear Feed.  I then went to Print Settings ( the default drop down menu in the lower half of the window is on "layout" but then goes to Print Settings which I chose) and changed the paper type to Proofing Paper (which I never use), put in 2880, High Speed and changed the platen gap to narrow.  I then changed the Printer Profile in the Right Hand Panel to one I have for a glossy paper and created a new template called "Test".  I then quit LR and restarted it, chose a photograph, went to the Print Module and chose a couple of different templates which changed settings as I expected.  I then chose the "Test" template and everything I had set up was still there ready to go (even though what I had set up is clearly a mess).

If that approach doesn't work for you then I suspect you have some kind of software problem.  If you can print as expected but the template just doesn't stick then I suspect that the problem lies with LR.  Thereafter I am not an expert.  Deleting preference files is always something that people recommend.

But that is the way that LR should work and has always worked for me. 

If it isn't working for you then possibly a re-install?
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2015, 03:17:48 pm »

Ian Lyons has an excellent tutorial on printing from Lightroom with Mac OS X. Although it applies to older versions of OS X, I find that it still works excellent with Mavericks. I am not using Yosemite.

http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr2_print/lr2-print.htm

Ian's tutorial broke the code for me regarding printing from Lightroom and creating and saving print templates with OS X.

Good luck.
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2015, 03:57:06 pm »

Thank you for taking the time to communicate these points. My problem, which carries over to more than one system and more than one Epson LF printer, is probably the way in which I am approaching the Epson driver settings. Until reading this thread, I did not understand that driver settings other than "Default" were disallowed. I have always saved driver settings a "Save Current Settings as Preset", named the preset descriptively, and expected that Preset's setting to stick to the LR template. It does not stick, and I'll argue that it should.

The Lyons tutorial, while good, does not encompass current Epson driver layout, at least in discussing the importance of the Default driver setting.

I'll bet that working from Default, based upon all the remarks made here, will change my luck. If so, I'm indebted.

John-
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2015, 06:01:16 pm »

Ah, I think that's your problem.  The presets in the Epson driver are completely different to the templates in LR - as far as I know there is no connection at all.
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2015, 06:05:41 pm »

Ah, I think that's your problem.  The presets in the Epson driver are completely different to the templates in LR - as far as I know there is no connection at all.
There isn't and they conflict in a way. So you never select a custom setting in LR, that's stored in the print template itself. In the driver, in LR, it should be set to Default Settings.
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2015, 07:53:22 pm »

There isn't and they conflict in a way. So you never select a custom setting in LR, that's stored in the print template itself. In the driver, in LR, it should be set to Default Settings.
exactly ... the LR preset can store any setting you decide to use in the printer setup and printer settings dialog boxes  as well as all the LR settings in the right panel except a choice of a printer dialog preset.  If you are depending on one of those to be set, you will have issues, so leaving it to default is the only reliable method.

You can either start from scratch, and after you get everything set up in all 3 places create a new preset, and then update the LR preset as you tweak it, or you can start with a preset and after changing it make a new preset based on the new changes. For me this is typical because I'm often just changing something like page orientation.  I can print almost everything by selection a preset, tweaking the position of the signature, and then hitting the print one button, whether the image is landscape or portrait,and the paper size and borders by just using a preset.

set up everything to make your print including page setup, print settings, and all of the controls in the right panel.  Save it as a preset.  then print it, verifying the dialog boxes are correct.  if not cancel, use the page setup and printer settings button to make the changes, right click on the preset and update the changes, then print again.  Once you get the preset nailed, you can just use the print one button to print.
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2015, 11:30:06 am »

...The LR preset can store any setting you decide to use in the printer setup and printer settings dialog boxes  as well as all the LR settings in the right panel except a choice of a printer dialog preset.

Indeed this has been my problem and I'm grateful to all responding here who have set me straight. I'll say that I find this unfortunate that we can't create Printer Presets that stick to LR Printing Templates. To examine the Epson driver, for example, to see driver settings labeled as Default, when they are anything but Default, is inconvenient. I'll guess that this is more difficult to fix than first meets the eye, and perhaps Adobe alone can't solve a problem like this without help from Apple or printer manufacturers.

Happy in any case though.

John-
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Re: print Temple on OSX does not keep printer setting. help!
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2015, 11:34:44 am »

I'll say that I find this unfortunate that we can't create Printer Presets that stick to LR Printing Templates.
Not necessary really, once you understand how the unique LR and driver settings coexist. You should never need to enter the print driver once you build a print preset expect perhaps to alter and then update via that preset instead of the driver dropdown.
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2015, 04:26:31 pm »

I agree with Andrew, not really necessary.  The problem with storing a printer driver preset as part of the LR preset means the LR preset can easily become invalid.  Since both presets are storing settings made in the driver, you can get into a situation where the two can conflict with each other.  So LR doesn’t try to figure out what is in the driver preset, since the only known repetitive state which can be consistent for the LR presets is leaving the driver preset to default.

The problem is when you do elect to use a driver preset, LR doesn’t seem to be able to handle it at all, so you end up with users assuming it just doesn’t work.  Not sure if there is a way to help that ... at least a warning.
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