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Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« on: February 06, 2015, 11:37:34 am »

Any USA sources yet?  No luck overseas since shipping is costly nor have I found a supplier willing to ship.

I've been playing with some Awagami Thin White and it is a mess without a backing.  Printer wants to wad it up if it grabs it, or not accept it at all (mostly this).

Tried taping a regular RC paper under it with a 1" leader and that helps with the feed issue, but the wet ink swells the paper and the head then strikes the paper and rubs the ink off no matter the print head height or platen widest.  I taped the leader and both sides with 3/4" wide "Scotch Removable Double-Sided Tape" and it holds, but the wetness and swelling is an issue.  Seems the entire sheet needs to be held down by a backing sheet to keep the head from smudging the surface so Epson has the peel-off backing printing plan it seems.

Tia.

SG
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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2015, 12:37:17 pm »

Currently Epson USA is not planning on importing it, according to Gary Wornell, on of the developers of the paper >:(
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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2015, 12:53:10 pm »

well that su*ks.  for all the papers they do import, they won't import this one?

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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2015, 01:11:53 pm »

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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2015, 01:19:36 pm »

I would think you could get it here:

http://www.epson.co.uk/gb/en/viewcon/corporatesite/products/mainunits/overview/13596

Thanks.  E-mail just sent.

I know I tried to buy some flashbulbs out of Ireland to USA and shipping and importing for about 2 pounds of bulbs was about $230 or so.  Paper probably heavier.  If their was a source in China it might be free shipping since they are subsidized shipping, but I haven't found it yet.

Wait to see what Epson UK says...

SG
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2015, 03:33:59 pm »

Living in Australia, I feel your pain, particularly because a lot of US suppliers think that everyone wants stuff sent by courier. I have had good luck emailing suppliers and arranging for USPS instead of a courier. A good supplier in the UK is http://www.on-linepaper.co.uk/epson-digital-inkjet-photo-and-fine-art-papers They don't list it, but I would still ask.
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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2015, 05:57:14 pm »

Wonder if Scotch "ReMount" spray would work sprayed on a thin mylar sheet (Cleanable and reusable.) available at most sewing stores as a carrier for the thin paper?  Sort of a "Post-It Notes" glue for the Kozo paper.  Framer told me the stuff always tears for them though.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000I6PM7W?*Version*=1&*entries*=0

Reusable carrier sheet maybe?  http://www.joann.com/no-melt-mylar-plastic-template-sheets/4793402.html

Wash off with Goo-Gone or alcohol?

SG
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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2015, 03:00:36 am »

I believe you use Freezer paper, which has a wax coating on one side. The tissue paper (kozo) is lightly pressed or ironed to the substrate. Later easily peeled off.

http://thegraphicsfairy.com/print-fabric-freezer-paper-method-2/
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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2015, 05:17:32 am »

Living in the UK I use http://www.on-linepaper.co.uk but they do not stock Kozo nor have I found any other UK supplier who do. I bought mine direct from Epson UK and as a bonus at the time they had a 25% discount. The paper was couriered to my place of work from Germany. I think for none EU citizens the best way of getting Kozo will be to use the Epson UK website, that's if they are willing to ship outside of the EU.
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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2015, 11:15:39 am »

I believe you use Freezer paper, which has a wax coating on one side. The tissue paper (kozo) is lightly pressed or ironed to the substrate. Later easily peeled off.

http://thegraphicsfairy.com/print-fabric-freezer-paper-method-2/

This is interesting.  Thanks!  ;)

That Hiromi Japanese paper place in Santa Monica, CA has some really thin Kozo and Wabashi papers, like 7gsm weight on their website.  This freezer paper trick might work even with them too.  I need to go to the market and see if I can find some.

Sort of sad Epson doesn't make their removable backing paper available to the rest of the world since it is unique compared to others.  Many seem copies of other papers, or from the same factory but re-branded.

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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2015, 01:09:29 pm »

Some Guy,

I love that Japanese Paper place at Bergamot Station. It can be dangerous, Too many papers and it can get expensive.:-)

I have some very thin tissue from them. I plan to coat it and try it.
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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2015, 02:42:15 pm »


Quote from: Mark Lindquist on February 06, 2015, 12:11:53 PM
I would think you could get it here:

http://www.epson.co.uk/gb/en/viewcon/corporatesite/products/mainunits/overview/13596

Thanks.  E-mail just sent.

I know I tried to buy some flashbulbs out of Ireland to USA and shipping and importing for about 2 pounds of bulbs was about $230 or so.  Paper probably heavier.  If their was a source in China it might be free shipping since they are subsidized shipping, but I haven't found it yet.

Wait to see what Epson UK says...


I was in the UK last November and I tried to buy the paper from EpsonUK. They would not accept a US credit card, even though it was being shipped to a UK destination. EpsonUK were being difficult.  I was asked to contact a reseller and they suggested micro-partners.co.uk
I bought two rolls of Kozo 24" rolls from them.  They charged my US credit card and promptly shipped it.

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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2015, 05:59:06 pm »

What the HELL is the matter with Epson? This is the very first media they have ever had created that is clearly the best in its class and they don't offer it to the largest market in the world? I have 6 clients waiting for me to use it right now and no one has even seen a show printed on it yet. And I need it right now for a show. If they don't offer this to the US and have us order it from Europe they are completely out of their minds. Someone like Canson will just reverse engineer it and offer it to us. Same ole Epson I'm afraid. Looks like they don't even make a 44" version, crap.

I tried the new Hiromi inkjet coated kozo and it has those bizarre vertical joining lines in it like the Hahnemuhle "rice paper" and if backlit is worthless to me. The sharpness, dmax, and gamut are not as good as the Epson samples either.

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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2015, 09:28:30 pm »

What the HELL is the matter with Epson? This is the very first media they have ever had created that is clearly the best in its class and they don't offer it to the largest market in the world? I have 6 clients waiting for me to use it right now and no one has even seen a show printed on it yet. And I need it right now for a show. If they don't offer this to the US and have us order it from Europe they are completely out of their minds. Someone like Canson will just reverse engineer it and offer it to us. Same ole Epson I'm afraid. Looks like they don't even make a 44" version, crap.

I tried the new Hiromi inkjet coated kozo and it has those bizarre vertical joining lines in it like the Hahnemuhle "rice paper" and if backlit is worthless to me. The sharpness, dmax, and gamut are not as good as the Epson samples either.

john

Probably Epson UK doesn't want to walk on the Epson USA distributor's toes as to why they won't sell it to USA buyers without maybe finding a UK retailer who will sell it overseas (Think "Gray market cameras" and that mess.)

As to Hiromi, they do have literally hundreds of bizarre papers in Kozo, Yukatan, Wasbi, etc. as well as LaserJet and InkJet capable ones.  Odd though the guy I talked to said they have no backing paper versions, separate or peel-offs, on their inkjet paper for printers that have transport problems though.  Some have heavy deckled and torn edges too which might through the skew alarm off too or cause it to have feed problems against the side feed bars.  He suggested some people tape them down, but my luck with the Awagami was it swelled in the middle and the print head made contact and dragged over the humps of wet paper and smeared it.  Entire sheet should be stuck down perhaps.

Freestyle Photo in LA is probably one of the largest print paper suppliers on the West Coast for gelatin (darkroom) and inkjet papers.  They are also wondering why Epson isn't supplying their Kozo stuff.  They used to sell Epson printers (Still sell their papers and ink.) but switched to selling Canon printers (Their favorite seems to be the ipf 6150.) due to many complaints from customers over Epson's clogging.  Epson doesn't seem at all bothered either, just buy another one.

Anyway, I found some Reynold's Freezer Wrap that has what feels like a wax coating on one side of the white paper.  It says plastic on the box though.  Don't know if it is the same stuff as in the link above as the woman in the video says hers was old (maybe wax back then?).  Guess I'll try and iron tissue paper onto it and see if it sticks and pulls off easily like a Post-It Note.

SG

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I tried some 25 weight tissue paper (0.042 mm thick) and it does bond and pulls off easily using the "Reynolds Freezer Wrap with Plastic Coating" (It's 18" wide paper.) ironed on with a clothes iron "Silk" setting (about 280 degrees F.).  The thickness combined was 0.125 mm so maybe enough for a 3880 as anything less than 0.100mm on mine can be difficult to feed or crumple up inside.

I need to experiment more with the ironing as it wants to curl up and can wrinkle.  Probably needs to be ironed on a flat hard surface rather than a soft ironing board like I did.  Might need a D-roller too.  Heat press maybe.

SG

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Re: Epson Kozo available in USA yet?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2015, 08:44:11 am »

I have printed with the traditional bleached and unbleached uncoated kozo for about 15 years and it's pretty beautiful, but a pain in the ass to run through any printer really.

I used to buy thin poster board and tape the kozo around that with drafting tape that is easily removed. But that's a lot of trouble. In the last 5 years or so I've just been loading the roll into the HPZ with no backing and once the roll gets started its ok. You can also cut it into sheets and feed into the back of the machine. The Z works the best for me with this media because of the great dmax those inks have on matte paper.

That outfit Moab selling the expensive rolls of coated kozo, giving it some funny Indian name. Has anyone used it and can comment on a comparison to the new Epson Kozo? I think they are rebranding Awagami ( which I also haven't tried but sure will now ).

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2015, 12:25:37 pm »

I have printed with the traditional bleached and unbleached uncoated kozo for about 15 years and it's pretty beautiful, but a pain in the ass to run through any printer really.

I used to buy thin poster board and tape the kozo around that with drafting tape that is easily removed. But that's a lot of trouble. In the last 5 years or so I've just been loading the roll into the HPZ with no backing and once the roll gets started its ok. You can also cut it into sheets and feed into the back of the machine. The Z works the best for me with this media because of the great dmax those inks have on matte paper.

That outfit Moab selling the expensive rolls of coated kozo, giving it some funny Indian name. Has anyone used it and can comment on a comparison to the new Epson Kozo? I think they are rebranding Awagami ( which I also haven't tried but sure will now ).

John
I tried the taping-the-edges routine with the Kozo, but it swells up and bubbles up when wet with ink and the head ruins the image passing over it.

I did get a response from Epson UK though:

" Thank you for contacting Epson's UK Customer Inter@ction Centre.

In response to your query, Epson can accept orders to be delivered to an address in the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland), the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.

We are currently unable to supply to addresses in the Republic of Ireland and outside of the UK, however genuine Epson consumables can be purchased directly from local retailers or through online suppliers."


Pretty much at the mercy of extremely high shipping costs, probably >$150, if one can find a local retailer who will ship the rolls out of the UK.  Odd why it is so local to the area as I doubt if it is manufactured there.  I'd expect whomever makes it to have another vendor for distribution.

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2015, 08:25:13 pm »

"customer interaction" specialist  :-) .

They put all these adds on youtube in English promoting this stuff for England only?  Hell with it, I'll stick to using Canson media.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2015, 09:02:19 am »

 Well lads & ladies this what I got from Epson USA:

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KOZO Paper
 
 Discussion Thread

Dear Kevin,

Thank you for contacting the Epson Store. It is our pleasure to respond to your inquiry.

You have reached Epson Accessories, Inc. (Epson Store), a subsidiary and reseller of Epson America, Inc.

Epson offers different products from region to region. We have verified that your product is only supported in Epson UK. We regret we do not have technical information for the unit. If you need assistance in purchasing Epson product, please contact an Epson affiliate company in the region where the printer is supported by visiting the Epson Global website at www.epson.com.

Should you require further assistance, please use the REPLY option on your email software and include your previous email request. If you have a different question, please submit another email request and we will make every effort to respond within two business days (excluding major holidays).  The Epson Store sales business hours are 6:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m., Pacific time, Monday through Friday and 7:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Pacific Time , Saturday.
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2015, 08:35:03 pm »

That is about as retarded of a response as I have ever seen. Imagine not even paying a point person to field these kinds of questions. Reminds me of Kodak in their final years.

They have a great guy who diligently designed the most innovative and apparently beautiful print media they have come up with in 15 years and they don't know how to promote it. I say apparently because i've only been able to see a 4x5 inch print on it ! Why do they even bother. They should stick to making cheap office printers and plastic media.

I just got an email from Awagami. Gotta check out their line now, maybe it will work fine for my projects. I'm damn sure not ordering Epson kozo from England.

You can buy their sample packs online here: http://www.awagami.com/products/aijp/aijp_top.html#aijp_sample
I just did.

john

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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2016, 10:33:43 am »

- guys I just posted this over in another post.... it maybe of help

I'm more impressed with the Epson paper than the other Washi's.  Currently it isn't in USA or Australia, but I get mine either from:

Amazon Spain:
17" http://www.amazon.es/Epson-Japanese-Kozo-Paper-Thin/dp/B00GD4KLWE
or
24" http://www.amazon.es/Epson-Japanese-Kozo-Paper-Thin/dp/B00GD4KMU0/ref=pd_sim_229_1/280-3372172-6102652?ie=UTF8&dpID=415AQiz0eEL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=1477B32Y1GSNRD6QGX4G   

or Amazon Germany
17" http://www.amazon.de/EPSON-Japanese-Kozo-Paper-Thin/dp/B00GD4KLWE/ref=pd_sim_229_1/278-7879800-0195545?ie=UTF8&dpID=41T4sy52J5L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=1113QABWCQJGNC8XF12P

24" http://www.amazon.de/EPSON-Japanese-Kozo-Paper-Thin/dp/B00GD4KMU0

Depending on the exchange rate of the day I will buy from one or the other.  Usually I buy two or more rolls at a time. 

Now here is where you can help.  I have been in contact with Gary Warnell, the guy that developed this paper with Epson Europe, and on his suggestion I have pestered Epson Australia to get it, and eventually I got Epson Australia to talk with Epson Europe and they are getting some in about two weeks. I'd really like to help Gary promote or at least encourage Epson to make it available in all markets, so the request I would make is that the more you email or contact Epson USA it will be more likely they will get it directly in.   

So if you can send them an email so we can get it directly in the USA as well.
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