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Photos an Aperture replacement?
« on: February 05, 2015, 01:25:15 PM »

First look at what Apple is proposing as a 'replacement' for Aperture that I've seen:

http://www.macworld.com/article/2880099/first-look-photos-for-os-x.html

Doesn't seem like much of a replacement based on this information.
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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2015, 01:36:21 PM »

First look at what Apple is proposing as a 'replacement' for Aperture that I've seen:

http://www.macworld.com/article/2880099/first-look-photos-for-os-x.html

Doesn't seem like much of a replacement based on this information.

It's not, really. I think it's better at sharing stuff across the Apple ecosystem (iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Mac). Its editing capabilities are not on par with Lightroom (or even Aperture) if you're making extensive use of brushes and local corrections.

I think if you got by with the "enhance" button in Aperture for most of your photos, it'll be fine. If you really made the most of what Aperture 3 offered over Aperture 2, I think you'll be left wanting here.

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2015, 04:41:09 PM »


Doesn't seem like much of a replacement based on this information.

Many great solutions had meager beginnings. I doubt even the engineers working on Photos for OS X actually know what thew app will be capable of once it is officially released for use. Or what it will be a year or two from now.
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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2015, 04:44:28 PM »

Many great solutions had meager beginnings.
True. But it kind of reminds me of the software 'progress' I see with X-rite where the newer stuff is better in some places but at the expense of a boat load of features in previous products we need. If they make progress, fine. Aperture still runs fine. But if they don't, we get to be pissed.  ;D
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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2015, 04:52:20 PM »

What I find intriguing is the biggest point of discussion from the WWDC announcement was that Photos for OS X would have extensible third party capability for plugins with non-destructive application. So far, none of the "first look" articles have really mentioned this.
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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2015, 05:46:52 PM »

I see that Apple has now posted information regarding Photos App via their Web with a release time of Spring:
https://www.apple.com/osx/photos-preview/

Now from my observation it looks more to be cumsumer program more then a pro program.

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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2015, 07:35:30 PM »

What is not really shown on the Apple page for Photos is the handling of raw files.  The sliders shown for the sample image of the woman on Muir Beach are pretty standard stuff.  But, as in Aperture, there are more tools for raw files.  It will be interesting to see how it works for raw data - if it is as good as Aperture in terms of image quality and raw conversion, but is missing some local editing tools, etc. on the first version, so be it.  We will see - i think aperture users that feel abandoned are quick to put down the application without ever using it or seeing glimpses of it.

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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2015, 08:32:10 PM »

What is not really shown on the Apple page for Photos is the handling of raw files.  The sliders shown for the sample image of the woman on Muir Beach are pretty standard stuff.  But, as in Aperture, there are more tools for raw files.  It will be interesting to see how it works for raw data - if it is as good as Aperture in terms of image quality and raw conversion, but is missing some local editing tools, etc. on the first version, so be it.  We will see - i think aperture users that feel abandoned are quick to put down the application without ever using it or seeing glimpses of it.

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I might expect that the raw conversion would be BETTER in Photos than in Aperture.

In the WWDC sessions last summer, they showed some enhancements to the RAW converter in OS X Yosemite that had better noise reduction and colors in some specific files. In using Aperture on Yosemite, I didn't see any of the enhancements. One might figure they didn't explicitly support it in a product on the way out. I'd expect it would be available to Photos, however.

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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2015, 12:17:12 PM »

I gave up after using it for years and bought the Cloud in Dec.  it will take a few iterations if ever to get to where Aperture was.  I just hate they dropped it at all and as such list my loyalty.  I still have my macs and they are newish, so will stay with them for a few more years. When I upgrade next I will look at PCs again.  Been a mac guy since 06 and prior to that an Apple II so I will adjust and see what happens s a computer and what is a phone on my desk. 
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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2015, 02:04:48 PM »

First look at what Apple is proposing as a 'replacement' for Aperture that I've seen:

http://www.macworld.com/article/2880099/first-look-photos-for-os-x.html

Doesn't seem like much of a replacement based on this information.

I don't think anyone can call it a replacement. I have been using Aperture since it was released. Pretty frustrating to see Apple drop professional photographers wholesale.

I'm sure Photos will improve over time but I'm not seeing anything that looks like the understructure for a fully fleshed out pro-capable app.

All that said - I have been using Capture One v8 since early last fall, first for tethering and lately looking to make a full switch. If anything it does show what Aperture might have been - layers, copying and pasting of masks, client review of images in real time via an iPad, etc. It also has much better processing of raw files, something a new Aperture would probably have been capable of had Apple not stopped development.

Review of Photos by David Pogue
which goes into differences between it and Aperture (scroll down.)

I had planned to try and stick it out with Aperture since it will work for a while more but already needing C1 for tethering on jobs (Aperture has become too flaky - a combo of the software itself, the OS, and camera FW updates - none of which are keeping pace with each other) and seeing how much better C1 is at conversions (far less noise, smoother gradations, more dynamic range) there are no reasons left to stick around.
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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2015, 10:54:58 PM »

I might expect that the raw conversion would be BETTER in Photos than in Aperture...

RAW conversion is a system level function and it should be the same between Photos and Aperture.

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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2015, 10:58:37 PM »

... Pretty frustrating to see Apple drop professional photographers wholesale...

They did it because the whole 'professional photographer' industry is dying off. 
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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2015, 09:09:10 AM »

Ran across this video of the new Apple Photo App.
For what it maybe worth he states it is a replacement for iPhone but not Aperture.

Hands on: Photos for Mac OS X - YouTube
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=opqLavQ-XuM

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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2015, 09:51:05 AM »

Ran across this video of the new Apple Photo App.
For what it maybe worth he states it is a replacement for iPhone but not Aperture.

Hands on: Photos for Mac OS X - YouTube
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=opqLavQ-XuM

Stu

Yes, he did mention the Photos app was likely a suitable replacement for iPhoto ... but he also failed to point out that he was demonstrating a first issue Developer Beta ... or that Photos is the foundation for a much broader extension based platform that could impact image processing as we know it to infinite possibilities.
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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2015, 10:08:00 AM »

... or that Photos is the foundation for a much broader extension based platform that could impact image processing as we know it to infinite possibilities.
Wouldn't that be nice! But Apple's history here isn't so hot. The pro photo market isn't on anyone's radar much these days.
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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2015, 11:09:17 AM »

They did it because the whole 'professional photographer' industry is dying off. 

Yeah, well, hmmm.... Can't argue with that on a certain level & I posted something similar on another forum.

I use FCPX as well. Some are saying this doesn't bode well for Apple's other Pro Apps. Hard to know. The glass half-empty is this is a red flag to pro's basing their workflow on any Apple software, the glass half-full is Apple saw the writing on the wall with pro vs. consumer stills and made a decision to double down on pro video.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2015, 11:56:01 AM »

You may want to listen to Derrick Story's latest podcast http://thedigitalstory.com/2015/02/tds-podcast-466.html released today (02/10/2015).
He states that that he talked to Apple and was informed the Photo App is a replacement for iPhoto and not Aperture.
During his podcast he goes into pretty good detail of his conversation with Apple. It is well worth the time to listen this podcast.

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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2015, 12:00:25 PM »

This is what I can find directly from Apple:
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When Photos for OS X is available this spring, Aperture will no longer be available for purchase from the Mac App Store.
So the situation is Aperture is abandoned, not replaced.

It still runs which is great. For the time being.
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Re: Photos an Aperture replacement?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2015, 12:10:26 PM »

This is what I can find directly from Apple:So the situation is Aperture is abandoned, not replaced.

It still runs which is great. For the time being.

That's old news Andrew ... Apple said that would be the case months ago. Aperture has indeed reached an end of life from a standpoint of further development ... that, however, is not an indication that Apple will not offer a pathway to solutions for advanced photo enthusiasts would find acceptable.
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2015, 12:22:10 PM »

Aperture has indeed reached an end of life from a standpoint of further development ... that, however, is not an indication that Apple will not offer a pathway to solutions for advanced photo enthusiasts would find acceptable.
Or they will offer such a pathway. Photos isn't it.
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