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Re: Will the Real Landscape Photography Please Stand Up ?
« Reply #220 on: February 24, 2015, 06:49:21 pm »

Exciting new photography? There's so much of it. Where to start? (Landscape isn't really my field.)

Fashion. Viviane Sassen: http://www.vivianesassen.com
Still Life. Lucas Blalock: http://www.frieze.com/issue/article/focus-interview-lucas-blalock/
Documentary. Roger Ballen: http://www.rogerballen.com
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« Reply #221 on: February 24, 2015, 06:51:54 pm »

While it is perhaps not true that everything has been photographed in every possible way, it IS true that we're sufficiently immersed in photographs that we understand and judge photographs largely in terms of other photographs.

That is, when we think about the photograph at all, it is largely in terms like 'That's a bit like that other photograph..'.

I am convinced that the single iconic image is pointless, and that anything fundamentally new has to be shown as a collection of work. While a single picture might BE new, we can't see it as such, since we'll just see it as a collection of tropes and ideas from other pictures, possibly with a few mistakes or infelicities thrown in by photographic necessity. It is only in a series of photographs that any new ideas can be made clear.
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Re: Will the Real Landscape Photography Please Stand Up ?
« Reply #222 on: February 24, 2015, 06:53:13 pm »

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Re: Will the Real Landscape Photography Please Stand Up ?
« Reply #223 on: February 24, 2015, 06:53:51 pm »

...I have no idea who Ernst Haas is...

I hate to sound elitist, but you better run, don't walk, to find out.

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« Reply #224 on: February 24, 2015, 06:56:25 pm »

Exciting new photography? There's so much of it. Where to start? (Landscape isn't really my field.)

Fashion. Viviane Sassen: http://www.vivianesassen.com
Still Life. Lucas Blalock: http://www.frieze.com/issue/article/focus-interview-lucas-blalock/
Documentary. Roger Ballen: http://www.rogerballen.com

Well, they don't looks very "new" to me: abstract, collage and mundane, that's something already seen.
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« Reply #225 on: February 24, 2015, 06:58:41 pm »

I hate to sound elitist, but you better run, don't walk, to find out.

I will, I will.
Yet I still don't know if Mr. Reichmann is a copycat.
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« Reply #226 on: February 24, 2015, 07:06:17 pm »

Well, they don't looks very "new" to me: abstract, collage and mundane, that's something already seen.


The fact that everything looks the same to you, might mean that you haven't developed the eyes to see.

Sure, the artists I've linked to are referencing previous photographic practices, but they have twisted things to the extent that they have created a singular style. The work is recognisably their own. (Or google's!)
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« Reply #227 on: February 24, 2015, 07:10:14 pm »

The fact that everything looks the same to you, might mean that you haven't developed the eyes to see.
May very well be as you say.
Or it be there so much photos out there that you just happen to not have seen similar photos.
Who knows?
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« Reply #228 on: February 24, 2015, 07:12:56 pm »

While it is perhaps not true that everything has been photographed in every possible way,...

I couldn't agree more.
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« Reply #229 on: February 24, 2015, 07:20:25 pm »

The work is recognisably their own. (Or google's!)
I just tried google image search on this image of mine and the search didn't returned anything similar.
Does this means that image is truly original?

(same thing with this and this: jee, I must be really good!)
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« Reply #230 on: February 24, 2015, 07:31:50 pm »

You're amazing!

(Actually, I quite like the coat hanger picture).
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« Reply #231 on: February 24, 2015, 07:33:59 pm »

Well, if you're saying that there certanly are some photographers that are not copycats I think you can name some of them, otherwise I could wish to believe that you're just believing there are non-copycats photographers out there.

I'm saying your interested in quarreling and I'm not -- ask yourself if the world changes and new things come into being and what that implies.
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« Reply #232 on: February 24, 2015, 07:51:54 pm »

I'm saying your interested in quarreling and I'm not -- ask yourself if the world changes and new things come into being and what that implies.

As you said, believe what you wish to believe.
But the all purpose of my posts wasn't quarelling but suggesting that discussing about "real landscape photography" is quite pointless: nobody will become a better photographer by complaining about "fake landscape photography", "real landscape photography", "copycat photography", "artist vs photographer" and so on.

Like amolitor said, we are overwhelmed by so much photographs that almost everything you can think of has already been photographed.
Even Mr. Reichmann made some photos very similar to Ernst Haas's, and yet nobody is dismissing Reichmann's photos as copycats.

So, if I can repeat myself: does it really make sense to talk about "real landscape photography" when nobody can't tell "real landscape photography" from "non-real landscape photography" on criteria like aesthetic, originality, message, intention, technical qualities or any other criteria?

By the way, I can name some photographers that make photographs like no one did before.
But I'm not sure that "Voyager", "Curiosity", "Hubble" or "Rosetta" would qualify as photographer, didn't they?


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Re: Will the Real Landscape Photography Please Stand Up ?
« Reply #233 on: February 24, 2015, 08:29:13 pm »

... nobody will become a better photographer by complaining about "fake landscape photography", "real landscape photography", "copycat photography", "artist vs photographer" and so on.

Well, by merely armchair complaining, no, of course. But by realizing what it is that bothers you by "fake/copycat/etc. landscape photography," you are more likely to continue in a different direction, finding your own way (style) as you go, thus becoming a better photographer.

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...almost everything you can think of has already been photographed...

It isn't' about what was photographed, but how. It isn't painting haystacks (i.e., what) that made Monet famous, but how he painted it.
 
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...Even Mr. Reichmann made some photos very similar to Ernst Haas's, and yet nobody is dismissing Reichmann's photos as copycats...

And nobody is considering it Art either, just good photographs. Mr. Reichmann is a photographer who, in this particular case, was using knowingly and openly (i.e., not hiding it) a known technique, acknowledging its source. In the art world, it is known as homage.

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...nobody can't tell "real landscape photography" from "non-real landscape photography" on criteria like aesthetic, originality, message, intention, technical qualities or any other criteria?

Of course we can. We can certainly tell postcard-pretty landscape photography from New Topographics.
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Re: Will the Real Landscape Photography Please Stand Up ?
« Reply #234 on: February 24, 2015, 09:04:47 pm »

Mr. Reichmann is a photographer who, in this particular case, was using knowingly and openly (i.e., not hiding it) a known technique, acknowledging its source. In the art world, it is know as homage.

So is openly copy-catting?

Of course we can. We can certainly tell postcard-pretty landscape photography from New Topographics.
Well, if "we can" then asking the "real landscape photography" to stand up doesn't make sense: it already has stood up in new Topographics, didn't it?
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Re: Will the Real Landscape Photography Please Stand Up ?
« Reply #235 on: February 24, 2015, 09:08:03 pm »

The world doesn't stand still ... That was just a historic example.

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« Reply #236 on: February 24, 2015, 09:10:14 pm »

The world doesn't stand still ... That was just a historic example.
What about a non-historic example of "real landscape photography"?
Unless it's like pornography, we should be able to say "look, this is real landscape photography" while showing a photo.


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« Reply #237 on: February 24, 2015, 09:33:57 pm »

I confess myself surprised, Slobodan, to see you of all people parsing distinctions between this Art and that Art!  Have we finally persuaded you to join the naval staring, nitpicking, team?

I welcome you, of course ;)
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Re: Will the Real Landscape Photography Please Stand Up ?
« Reply #238 on: February 25, 2015, 06:07:34 am »

Slobodan,

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...when you photograph like Ansel Adams today, you are a copycat.

How does one "photograph like Ansel Adams"?

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...breaking new grounds, exploring new angles, concepts, ideas. You know, things that make artists Artists. Simply using a few aesthetic tricks, borrowed from classical arts, like I do (and Salgado) does not make a photographer an Artist.

Is this the "fundamental difference" you previously referred to?

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I hate to sound elitist, but you better run, don't walk, to find out.

What's the rush?

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In the art world, it is know as homage.

Is that the same as "copying", only spelled differently?



Andrew,

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...when we think about the photograph at all, it is largely in terms like 'That's a bit like that other photograph..'.

How do you know this to be true?
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Re: Will the Real Landscape Photography Please Stand Up ?
« Reply #239 on: February 25, 2015, 07:58:41 am »

I confess myself surprised, Slobodan, to see you of all people parsing distinctions between this Art and that Art! ...

Andrew, not sure what you mean by that.
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