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The Old NEW Ilford Gold Fibre Silk has returned.......
« on: November 14, 2014, 04:45:35 pm »

.......like the cat with 9 lives, it's come home and doing well. I picked-up a few boxes this morning from my usual retailer for paper and ink here in Toronto - CCBC-Club, and when I could finally fight my way through the Toronto traffic back home, I immediately printed my favorite printer test target - the Atkinson LAB page. Three pieces of really good news: (1) pricing hasn't increased; (2) the packaging is improved - they now have the paper in a protective envelope INSIDE the box, and best of all - (3) there is ZERO need to re-profile this paper. The test page came out fine printing with my usual IGFS profile. The other difference in the packaging is on the label - there is a "sticker" that says "WIR certified" (WIR being Wilhelm Imaging Research - the print permanence testing service). To find out what "CERTIFIED" means you need to visit the WIR website (good luck) and read the fine print.

OK, so far quite a blah post - just a bit of good news for all us IGFS users;

so I thought I should spice-up the topic with another bit of news that will surely rattle some readers, and perhaps relieve mental anguish for others! I was above the Arctic last year at a place called Camp Mansfield (Svalbard), and in the neighbourhood there were large pieces of rusted machinery from coal mining activity early in the previous century. Being rusted machinery, it is of course "photogenic", so I made photographs, using a Sony Nex 6 - 16 MP APS-C sensor. The native file size is 4912*3264 pixels, or about 9*13.6 inches at 360ppi output. I was interested in printing a rather severe crop of one of those images, to suit a particular composition from one of those machines that only struck me the other day (not on site, unfortunately). So I extracted this crop in LR, and printed it from LR as an 11*12 inch enlargement, letting LR resample up to 360ppi for the Epson 4900. The result was decent considering the selection is about 25% of the original image area. Then I thought it would be interesting to send it to Photoshop and print to the same linear dimensions with no resampling in Photoshop. (In both cases I used the Output Sharpening for the size and resolution). Hence the Photoshop Image Size dialog shows this crop-photo for those linear dimensions at 127ppi, which some process located somewhere no-one knows for sure would upsample under the hood to the 360PPI needed for the Epson printhead. And I printed it. Then I compared the two results, and I found that I needed to look really, really hard to see any difference. If anything, perhaps the Photoshop output looked a trifle crisper, but we're hair-splitting here. And this image has the kind of detail and subtle tonality that serious differences of outcomes from different technical approaches would show readily. On this basis, I'm beginning to think that perhaps a lot of the discussion about where to upsample can be put to rest.

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Re: The Old NEW Ilford Gold Fibre Silk has returned.......
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2014, 09:40:46 pm »

Very interesting, Mark, on both points.

I've been using Canson as my IGFS substitute for a while now, but I'll definitely try the New Old NEW IGFS again.

And I think I'll try a similar experiment with my 3800 to check on upsizing as well.

Thanks for the post.
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Re: The Old NEW Ilford Gold Fibre Silk has returned.......
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2014, 10:47:46 pm »

You are welcome Eric, and I'll be most interested in your observations from testing the upsampling.
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Re: The Old NEW Ilford Gold Fibre Silk has returned.......
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2014, 08:38:07 am »

Mark,

What is the exact brand name of the new paper?  I've looked at the usual on-line stores in the US (we have no retailers in the Washington DC area these days) and don't see the new product at all.  Maybe it's not in stock here yet.

Alan
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Re: The Old NEW Ilford Gold Fibre Silk has returned.......
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2014, 08:43:23 am »

Hi Alan,

Same name - no change. Should be available in the US because I believe we are sourcing from down there but I don't know the details.
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Re: The Old NEW Ilford Gold Fibre Silk has returned.......
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2014, 09:19:33 am »

Thanks.  As far as I can tell on B&H carry the paper right now.  Neither atLex or Shades of Paper have it listed.

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Re: The Old NEW Ilford Gold Fibre Silk has returned.......
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2014, 09:23:12 am »

I think the MAC Group is the US distributor. Perhaps check with them on retailers and availability.
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2014, 10:33:05 am »

In UK it is being distributed by Tetenal. I don't know if they operate in America.
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Re: The Old NEW Ilford Gold Fibre Silk has returned.......
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2014, 10:37:55 am »

...and, in relation to your printing point, Mark, as you use Lightroom, try printing your image from the LR Print module with the "Print Resolution" box unchcked. In other words, leave it entirely to LR to decide how to match the apparent dissonance in resolution.

I think you might find even more evidence to support your stance that a lot of unnecessary anguish is caused by the ppi conundrum.
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Re: The Old NEW Ilford Gold Fibre Silk has returned.......
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2014, 03:14:40 pm »

Thanks.  As far as I can tell on B&H carry the paper right now.  Neither atLex or Shades of Paper have it listed.

Alan

Alan,

I sent a note to C.R. Kennedy (who I've known for years) that atlex was not yet carrying the relaunched Ilford papers. They got back to me right away saying they'd notify the MAC Group so hopefully atlex will be restocking Ilford soon. CRK did mention they haven't been able to satisfy all of the requested quantities, but expect production to catch up by early next year.

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Re: The Old NEW Ilford Gold Fibre Silk has returned.......
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2014, 06:58:09 pm »

I think you might find even more evidence to support your stance that a lot of unnecessary anguish is caused by the ppi conundrum.

That's to say, until people start using proper upsampling technique followed by good output sharpening at the native printer output resolution ...

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Re: The Old NEW Ilford Gold Fibre Silk has returned.......
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2014, 01:26:22 pm »

That's to say, until people start using proper upsampling technique followed by good output sharpening at the native printer output resolution ...

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