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Hasselblad F 150f2.8 Sonnar comparison shots
« on: November 02, 2014, 04:49:19 pm »

Recently I purchased a nice second hand Hasselblad Sonnar F 150f2.8 lens. This is the less common f2.8 Sonnar of that focal length which was available for the 200 series Hasselblad, therefore it does not contain a central shutter which gives some weight advantage compared to the normal C/CF lenses for the 500 series HB.

My main concern was if it would perform better than the Contax 645 Sonnar 140f2.8 regarding center sharpness, contrast and color fringing at open aperture and at f4 and how it would perform in comparison to apochromatic corrected lenses of roughly comparable focal lengths (actually from 120 to 200mm).

I ended up spending some time this weekend doing a comparison series with the following lenses (all with IQ180):

First a set of comparison shots with four f2.8 to f3.4 non-Apo and Apo lenses at open aperture:

- Contax 645 140f2.8 Sonnar
- Hasselblad F 150f2.8 Sonnar
- Leica R 180f3.4 Apo
- Mamiya 645 200f2.8 Apo

The Contax 140 obviously is mounted directly to the Contax camera with the IQ back, the Hasselblad 150 via a Hasselblad V to Contax 645 adapter (the original one from Contax which is the only one fitting really tight to the Hasselblad lenses which is very important in order to avoid a slight lens tilt due to the lens weight). The Leica R 180f3.4 Aop is in the list because I found out that the image circle of this lens astonishingly covers the 54x40mm sensor. It is mounted via a Leica R to Canon EF adapter on the Alpa FPS. And last not least the Mamiya 645 200 lens is converted to Contax mount by a customized adapter.

Motive is a cropped mountain bike ;-) at autumn sunshine on my balcony. I tried to match the bike crop by moving the tripod accordingly. The distance from camera to bike is about 2,5 to 3m which is a slight disadvantage for the Leica R because that lens is considered to be sharper at longer distances/infinity.

I opened the files in PS CS6 ACR 8.7, did only slight adjustments (I tried to match color temperature and exposure; clarity +5%, sharpness 80% x 0,5 pixel, automatic reduction of chromatic aberation, slight reduction of color fringing: purple amount 4, slight reduction of vignetting of Leica R lens).

I uploaded the full resolution jpgs (quailty 10, ProPhotoRGB), here are the links for your own examination:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/140mm-Contax-645-140f2.8%40f2.8.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/150mm-Hasselblad-F-150f2.8%402.8.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/180mm-Leica-R-180f3.4-Apo%40f3.4.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/200mm-Mamiya-645-200f2.8-Apo%40f2.8.jpg

Enclosed the center crops at f2.8/f3.4.

Result:
The Contax 140 is least sharp, has lowest contrast and strongest color fringing of the four.
The Hasselblad 150 is sharper, more snappy contrast and less but still well visible color fringing.
The Leica 180 Apo is at f3.4 probably as sharp as the Hasselblad at f2.8, a bit difficult to see because the foucs point is slightly in front of the others. Color fringing is nearly absent.
The Mamiya 200 Apo is very impressive with very good sharpness, good contrast and very little color fringing.

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Re: Hasselblad F 150f2.8 Sonnar comparison shots
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2014, 04:51:28 pm »

For the f4(/f4.5) test I added three more lenses:

- Contax 645 120f4 Apo-Makro-Planar
- Mamiya 7 150f4.5 Apo
- Zeiss Hasselblad CF 180f4 Sonnar

The Mamiya 7 lens has half a stop advantage, it is mounted via a customized adapter on the FPS. With its low dispesion glasses it can be considered an "Apo-lens", let's see how it performs.

Here the links to the full resolution f4/f4.5 pictures:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/120mm-Contax-645-120f4-Apo-Makro%40f4.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/140mm-Contax-645-140f2.8%40f4.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/150mm-Hasselblad-F-150f2.8%404.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/150mm-Mamiya-7-150f4.5-Apo%40f4.5.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/180mm-Hasselblad-CF-180f4%404.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/180mm-Leica-R-180f3.4-Apo%40f4.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/200mm-Mamiya-645-200f2.8-Apo%40f4.jpg

And the center crops at f4/f4.5:

Result:
Rather tight (only discussing quality in center). Maybe the Contax 120 Apo and the Mamiya 150 Apo are sharpest, they "pop most" to my eyes. The Mamiya 200 Apo is also excellent. The 150 Sonnar and the 140 Sonnar improved well with much reduced color fringing (but still more than the Apo lenses). Sharpness and contrast of the 180 Sonnar is at open aperture rather similar to the other two Sonnars one stop stopped down, color fringing is slightly less than the shorter focal length silblings.

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Re: Hasselblad F 150f2.8 Sonnar comparison shots
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2014, 04:52:36 pm »

three more pics at f4

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Re: Hasselblad F 150f2.8 Sonnar comparison shots
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2014, 04:54:14 pm »

Last test at f5.6.

Full resolution links:
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/120mm-Contax-645-120f4-Apo-Makro%40f5.6.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/140mm-Contax-645-140f2.8%40f5.6.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/150mm-Hasselblad-F-150f2.8%40f5.6.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/150mm-Mamiya-7-150f4.5-Apo%40f5.6.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/180mm-Hasselblad-CF-180f4%405.6.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/180mm-Leica-R-180f3.4-Apo%40f5.6.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/200mm-Mamiya-645-200f2.8-Apo%40f5.6.jpg

Results:
I would say all very good, small differences detectable. Best in my eyes are the Apo lenses from Contax 645, Mamiya 7 and Mamiya 645. The Leica Apo is a tad behind. The Hasselblad 180 becomes a real winner at f5.6: Very good contrast and look the good definition at/around the glossy reflections, very impressive. The Contax 140 also becomes really excellent stopped down by two stops.

Again, please be reminded, the position of the focus point affects quite much the visual impression of sharpness because it is unfortunately not 100% the same for all shots (I used the IQ back screen, not a tethered computer for adjusting the sharpness). And adjusting the brightness in post also effects a bit the impression of contrast and sharpness.

Most interesting results for me:
- how well the Contax 120 Apo performs already at f4 (across the frame!)
- that the 150 Sonnar is perfoming clearly better than the 140 Sonnar at f2.8
- that the Contax 140 and the Hasselblad 180 become really excellent (across the frame) at f5.6
- it was confirmed how well the two Mamiya Apo lenses are from open aperture

Enjoy, comments welcome.
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Re: Hasselblad F 150f2.8 Sonnar comparison shots
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2014, 04:55:15 pm »

last pics at f5.6
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Re: Hasselblad F 150f2.8 Sonnar comparison shots
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2014, 05:19:54 pm »

Hi Chris,

Thanks for posting. Not surprised you like the Sonnar 180/4, I have one and I am quite happy with it.

Best regards
Erik

Recently I purchased a nice second hand Hasselblad Sonnar F 150f2.8 lens. This is the less common f2.8 Sonnar of that focal length which was available for the 200 series Hasselblad, therefore it does not contain a central shutter which gives some weight advantage compared to the normal C/CF lenses for the 500 series HB.

My main concern was if it would perform better than the Contax 645 Sonnar 140f2.8 regarding center sharpness, contrast and color fringing at open aperture and at f4 and how it would perform in comparison to apochromatic corrected lenses of roughly comparable focal lengths (actually from 120 to 200mm).

I ended up spending some time this weekend doing a comparison series with the following lenses (all with IQ180):

First a set of comparison shots with four f2.8 to f3.4 non-Apo and Apo lenses at open aperture:

- Contax 645 140f2.8 Sonnar
- Hasselblad F 150f2.8 Sonnar
- Leica R 180f3.4 Apo
- Mamiya 645 200f2.8 Apo

The Contax 140 obviously is mounted directly to the Contax camera with the IQ back, the Hasselblad 150 via a Hasselblad V to Contax 645 adapter (the original one from Contax which is the only one fitting really tight to the Hasselblad lenses which is very important in order to avoid a slight lens tilt due to the lens weight). The Leica R 180f3.4 Aop is in the list because I found out that the image circle of this lens astonishingly covers the 54x40mm sensor. It is mounted via a Leica R to Canon EF adapter on the Alpa FPS. And last not least the Mamiya 645 200 lens is converted to Contax mount by a customized adapter.

Motive is a cropped mountain bike ;-) at autumn sunshine on my balcony. I tried to match the bike crop by moving the tripod accordingly. The distance from camera to bike is about 2,5 to 3m which is a slight disadvantage for the Leica R because that lens is considered to be sharper at longer distances/infinity.

I opened the files in PS CS6 ACR 8.7, did only slight adjustments (I tried to match color temperature and exposure; clarity +5%, sharpness 80% x 0,5 pixel, automatic reduction of chromatic aberation, slight reduction of color fringing: purple amount 4, slight reduction of vignetting of Leica R lens).

I uploaded the full resolution jpgs (quailty 10, ProPhotoRGB), here are the links for your own examination:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/140mm-Contax-645-140f2.8%40f2.8.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/150mm-Hasselblad-F-150f2.8%402.8.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/180mm-Leica-R-180f3.4-Apo%40f3.4.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/200mm-Mamiya-645-200f2.8-Apo%40f2.8.jpg

Enclosed the center crops at f2.8/f3.4.

Result:
The Contax 140 is least sharp, has lowest contrast and strongest color fringing of the four.
The Hasselblad 150 is sharper, more snappy contrast and less but still well visible color fringing.
The Leica 180 Apo is at f3.4 probably as sharp as the Hasselblad at f2.8, a bit difficult to see because the foucs point is slightly in front of the others. Color fringing is nearly absent.
The Mamiya 200 Apo is very impressive with very good sharpness, good contrast and very little color fringing.

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Re: Hasselblad F 150f2.8 Sonnar comparison shots
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 01:35:33 pm »

Thx Erik, my pleasure!

Enclosed some pics of the HB F Sonnar 150 on the Contax camera, looks really cool :-)
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Re: Hasselblad F 150f2.8 Sonnar comparison shots
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2014, 01:36:49 pm »

Today I added one more lens to the test sequence: The Contax 645 80f2 lens.

I made similar shots from f2 to f5.6.

Links to the full resolution pics:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/80mm-Contax-645-80f2%40f2.0.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/80mm-Contax-645-80f2%40f2.8.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/80mm-Contax-645-80f2%40f4.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18437364/pictures/80mm-Contax-645-80f2%40f5.6.jpg

Enclosed the centercrops

Findings:

f2: a bit soft and reduced contrast but surprising little color fringing for such a bright lens, less than the two 140/150mm Sonnars at f2.8!
f2.8 sharpness quite like Sonnar 140, the Sonnar 150 is slightly sharper, but no color fringing, really excellent in that aspect
I'm wondering if the Zeiss Hasselblad CF 80f2.8 Planar or the Schneider Rollei (or Exakta) 80f2.8 Xenotar would be as sharp as (or sharper than) the Contax 80 and if they also would be as free from color fringing like the Contax. Unfortunately I no access to these lenses to compare.
f4 and f5.6: sharpness is fine to my eye
(I recommend to open the full resolution files to look for the sharp areas of the bicycle because the DOF is rather shallow and the focus points of the different lenses don't match perfectly as mentioned before.)

Another interesting finding:

I had to push the exposure of the open aperture pictures compared to the next full aperture stop by the followings amounts in order to get the same brightness of exposure:

Contax 645 80f2 Planar (from f2 to f2.8): 0
Contax 645 120f4 Apo-Makro-Planar (from f4 to f5.6): 0
Contax 645 140f2.8 Sonnar (from f 2.8 to f4): + 0.05 f-stops
Hasselblad F 150f2.8 Sonnar (from f2.8 to f4): + 0,5 f-stops
Hasselblad CF 180f4 Sonnar (from f4 to f5.6): + 0.35 f-stops
Mamiya 7 150f4.5 Apo (from f4.5 to f5.6): + 0.15 f-stops
Mamiya 645 200f2.8 Apo (from f 2.8 to f4): + 0.5 f-stops
Leica R 180f3.4 Apo (from f3.4 to f4): + 0.4 f-stops

This means: Only at the three Contax 645 lenses, the open aperture value is "real", at all other lenses the open aperture value is up to half an f-stop lower than indicated.
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