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« on: November 23, 2005, 04:34:27 pm »

Michael, this is a very informative article. I appreciate the insight. Sounds like good, practical advice.

Also, the B&W Photos have exceptional toning. Rich, warm, expressive. Isn't it great using the Convert to B&W Pro Plug-in? I love it!

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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2005, 05:43:30 pm »

Inspired photogrphs, I really like them.

From your posted pictures Mr. Reichmann I saw that you have more monotonous and black & white photographs then I have seen in the past from your gallaries. Does this reflect the mood that you felt in China or is it more by chance that you chose such photographs?
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2005, 06:17:19 pm »

Yeah I agree - great pictures!!

I guess MR used Photoshop - its pretty easy to tone
pictures like that, previsualization is the hardest part.

great work MR!

cheers,

Andreas.
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2005, 07:11:09 pm »

Stef,

Each image dictates what it wants to be. Colour or B&W, Toned or not. Warm, or cool.

I just live with the image for a while. Sometimes I know when I'm shooting what it will end up as. Sometimes not.

China seemed more monochrome to me that colour, and then looked best in sepia. Just a subjective thing.

Michael
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2005, 07:36:22 pm »

Hi Michael,

Nice images and an interesting essay indeed.

I have also found the streets of Nanshi in Shanghai to be great for street photography. I'll probably spend a few more days there in spring 06.

A few samples for whomever would be interested in getting a different look at the city of Shanghai.

http://www.photosig.com/go/users/viewportfolio?id=138614

Regards,
Bernard

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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2005, 08:23:47 pm »

I thought the article was very good. I especially liked the advise about dressing appropriately. And I would add finding out about the local or national customs as well. If you made an appointment to photograph a certain person or location in Japan, would you bring a gift? What kind of gift? How much would you spend on this gift? I was horrified a few years ago when some cultural experts from a US university visited a gentlemen in Japan for their research and gave him a postcard of that university and a US penny. Absolutely disgusting!

However, I am not sure I can agree with this.

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– Use Auto-everything. I know this is going to get me kicked out of the fraternity, but set your camera on a high ISO (400) and set it in Program mode. The reason for this is that documentary photographs often happen in a split second. You don't want to be thinking about whether or not you have a fast enough shutter speed selected, or enough depth of field. Buy yourself some time by setting the camera so that you can swing from the sunny side of the street to a shadowed doorway in a split second, and still get the shot.

I use all manual cameras and I can shot just as fast as with an auto-everything model. I think it is a matter of disipline. I certainly don't swing around in circles taking pictures of everything. Great pictures happen in a split second, but you need to be prepared for it as well.

Metering systems are not perfect and they can also give "wrong" exposure combinations. In low light I may sacrefice some shadow detail in order to use a higher shutter speed for sharpness. High-key and low-key scenes offer other problems. Exposing is not that difficult and changes are quick and easy to make on a camera.  If you don't know what you are doing or are having problems with your exposures, relying on the cameras is a good idea, but I don't think it is the only or best way.
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2005, 08:55:01 pm »

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I thought the article was very good. I especially liked the advise about dressing appropriately. And I would add finding out about the local or national customs as well. If you made an appointment to photograph a certain person or location in Japan, would you bring a gift? What kind of gift? How much would you spend on this gift? I was horrified a few years ago when some cultural experts from a US university visited a gentlemen in Japan for their research and gave him a postcard of that university and a US penny. Absolutely disgusting!
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I can probably comment on that one, since I have been in Japan for 8 years now.

The context and the relationship very much influence the gift question, but the basics is that there is no real need to give away real gifts in Japan. If you don't know exactly what you are doing, my advice would be not to give anything of significant value.

Japanese people do often give away omiage (that can be translated by "souvenirs") to familiy members, friends and colleagues, but these are typically edible specialities from the area they visited. As a Belgian, I know that a small pack of Belgian chocolates will please most people here.

A small omiage, together with a polite "thank you" will do, and you won't create any confusion by inducing the idea that something needs to be returned, sometimes, but then when and how?

Regards,
Bernard

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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2005, 09:47:15 pm »

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I know that a small pack of Belgian chocolates will please most people here.

A very good gift. The Japanese love European chocolates.

But gift giving in Japan is complex. I have made gifts of values between $30 to $50 for visits. (Weddings and funerals can be extremely expensive.) The postcard/penny gift was completely inept. The difference in US and Japanese gift giving customs is great. Fortunately, the Japanese have not decapitated a foreigner in over a hundred years for making a social bunder.
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2005, 10:07:44 pm »

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But gift giving in Japan is complex. I have made gifts of values between $30 to $50 for visits. (Weddings and funerals can be extremely expensive.) The postcard/penny gift was completely inept. The difference in US and Japanese gift giving customs is great. Fortunately, the Japanese have not decapitated a foreigner in over a hundred years for making a social bunder.
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Hi Anon,

Sure, weddings and funerals are a speciality field on their own... :-) As a close friend to the person getting married, a 200 US$ gift isn't rare, and it can go up to 500US$ if a subordinate of yours get married.

What stuns many foreigners un-used to the local customs is the fact that those gifts are made in... cash. :-) But it seems that you know these things very well yourself.

Do you live in Japan currently?

Generally speaking though, a small omiage will do.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2005, 11:23:14 pm »

Bernard:

Yes, I am living near Osaka t the moment. I came to Japan in 15 years ago and spent the first 10 years in Tokyo.

That is a fun town - barring the trains at rush hour. (For those never having the experience, trains in Tokyo can run at up to 250% capacity (official figure)) I really like the fish market at Tsukiji and you are only a couple of hours from the mountains (and Tokyo's highest point - Mt. Kumotori (2018m)). Although I perfer Nikko for a weekend get away. Oku-Nikko is beautiful and a great place to escape the heat of summer.

- Will
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2005, 12:41:00 am »

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Bernard:

 I really like the fish market at Tsukiji and you are only a couple of hours from the mountains (and Tokyo's highest point - Mt. Kumotori (2018m)). Although I perfer Nikko for a weekend get away. Oku-Nikko is beautiful and a great place to escape the heat of summer.

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Very true!

Fuji san from the top of Kumotori last Saturday evening:

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Senjougahara in Oku Nikkou early August this summer:

http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1586130

Yunotaki (Oku-Nikkou) in March this year:

http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=...d=viewportfolio

Cheers,
Bernard
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2005, 06:19:27 am »

I also enjoyed the article and the images in it.

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If you are not Asian, be aware that you will stand out in a crowd no matter how discrete you try and be. You're a curiosity, and quite visible, so there's no point in trying to pretend you're a local just out for a walk. Just be who you are – clearly a foreigner with a camera.
This is so true that people have problems understanding it.

Someone (another westerner) mentioned to us while we were in Kathmandu that we should be careful not to walk around with our expensive cameras, because that made us look too much like rich tourists.

Dude, we're between one and two heads higher than everybody else, our skin color is all wrong, and we'd have to walk around for a couple of days just to find the proper clothes for camouflage. And even a poor European student backpacker is rich compared to most of these people. The camera is not what made us stand out, they had us figured long before that.

And, in my rather brief experience in Nepal, Tibet and Yunnan, Michael is absolutely right about how relatively easy it is to photograph people. They just go about their business.

The one noteable exception I can think of is holy men in Nepal, who expect to be paid for their photographs. Some of them will harass you in an attempt to make you pay them money (taking the photograph is probably optional), and if you don't, they'll use a rather well-known finger gesture (no, not the middle finger one). If my camera hadn't been half-way into the bag already, that would have made for a great picture.


BTW, while I was in Bhaktapur (October 14th), there appeared to be some sort of photographer's workshop, because a bunch of people with semi-professional or professional equipment were wandering about. At least one person had a 1-series Canon, accidentally in the middle of the frame of that picture (I was hurrying to catch the woman in the sari on her way down the stairs):



There's something eerily familiar about that guy, does anybody recognize him (click the image for the option of a larger view)?
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2005, 08:24:12 am »

I thought it was a pretty nice article. I have been living here in China for a little under two years now and have found great joy in doing street photography here. Its totaly changed my style of shooting. Chinese people generally let you get pretty close and are open to you taking their photo. They usualy laugh and speak loudly about it with people who are around them even if no one is paying attention. Only a few times have I had anyone overact to me being somewhere with a camera.

And yup, talking to people here gets you a long way and many people will invite you into their homes or show you interesting places, and if you dont want to see it they will drag you in to look. Crazy.

And to make things even better its soooo cheap to develop film here, typical 35mm color negative with a set of 6 inch prints generaly runs in the range of 3-4 dollars at a decent lab. Yay.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2005, 02:57:57 pm »

Count me in as another who enjoyed the article. It reminded me of this older one about overcoming shyness in street photography.

Actually find street photography a little easier in foreign countries than at home. I find people in North America tend to be more suspicious than folks in foreign lands who often just seem to see me as a tourist. Also, I sometimes find it can bring you close to people if you have to try various techniques to bridge language barriers. Smiles, gestures and simple language seem all seem to go a long way towards creating a bit of intimacy with your subject.

And, if they really don't want their photo taken, shoo you away and swear at you, you don't really know what awful things they're saying to you!
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